Racial Fluidity

[irocfan]

esxste said:

Goes to a crap-fest because people have issues reconciling a long held understanding with evidence that their understanding is incorrect.

With the non-gender "twaddle"...nobody should actually give a st. But people do have an issue because it challenges their taught understandings of gender, and rather than adapt their understanding, they reject it and seek to make others conform.

All humans, whichever "race" all descend from the same person: the mitochondrial "Eve". There are minor divergences of genetics, due to interbreeding with other humanoid races such as the neanderthals and Denisovans back in the day but genetically; Black, White, Asian... we're all the same race Homo-sapiens.

So racism doesn't exist then?

[bristolracer]

The sooner we all identify as 'Human' rather than black white gay non binary etc the better

[esxste]

irocfan said:

So racism doesn't exist then?

Racism shouldn't exist.

But it does.

Racism's name comes from the historical, completely discredited hypothesis that skin colour and predominant facial features identified different races. It describes the prejudices that have arisen from that inaccurate hypothesis and similar ones, and the way those prejudices have been integrated in to the systems of our societies and into our cultures.

[esxste]

bristolracer said:

The sooner we all identify as 'Human' rather than black white gay non binary etc the better

I'd rephrase that to say, the sooner we all identify as Human first, and accept that others will also identify as other things, and still treat them as the Human they are, the better.

[Rovinghawk]

esxste said:

Racism's name comes from the historical, completely discredited hypothesis that skin colour and predominant facial features identified different races. It describes the prejudices that have arisen from that inaccurate hypothesis and similar ones, and the way those prejudices have been integrated in to the systems of our societies and into our cultures.

If we're all the same then why is it that certain medications (eg the early antimalarials) can have different effects on different ethnicities?

[irocfan]

Rovinghawk said:

If we're all the same then why is it that certain medications (eg the early antimalarials) can have different effects on different ethnicities?

Apparently diabetes is more prevalent among BAME folks too

[gothatway]

esxste said:

All humans, whichever "race" all descend from the same person: the mitochondrial "Eve". There are minor divergences of genetics, due to interbreeding with other humanoid races such as the neanderthals and Denisovans back in the day but genetically; Black, White, Asian... we're all the same race Homo-sapiens.

That begs the question as to who was Eve's ancestors. But more significantly, homo sapiens is a species, largely defined as such because all members of a species can interbreed. "Race" is an imprecise construct, usually distinguishing between variations in physical or social characteristics.

[Derek Smith]

esxste said:

Goes to a crap-fest because people have issues reconciling a long held understanding with evidence that their understanding is incorrect.

With the non-gender "twaddle"...nobody should actually give a st. But people do have an issue because it challenges their taught understandings of gender, and rather than adapt their understanding, they reject it and seek to make others conform.

All humans, whichever "race" all descend from the same person: the mitochondrial "Eve". There are minor divergences of genetics, due to interbreeding with other humanoid races such as the neanderthals and Denisovans back in the day but genetically; Black, White, Asian... we're all the same race Homo-sapiens.

Indeed. More to the point, we're all descended from a woman who, to put it nicely, was a bit of a goer.

The police used to use a racial code for identification of appearance: RC1=white caucasian to RC7=no idea. That was challenged at the time and the policed were forced to use an identity code: RC1=white caucasian to RC7=you get the idea. It was a more accurate description of what it described. All people who are born of black parents look black.

There is no way of identifying a person's race by way of DNA. There is so much variation within so-called racial groups
that all it can do is give pointers. Obviously, some races have a higher proportion of certain strengths and weaknesses - strange fact; not all Kenyans could run 3000m in under 7:40. Certain races are more likely to have sickle cell anaemia. But then it does not mean a caucasian could not suffer from it.

There's much research out there regarding the DNA aspects of people from different parts of the world. Most of it seems to indicate that there's no such thing as race. All one can do is use the blunt identity code.

The explanations for ginger hair over the years is worth a book on its own. I knew a ginger Jewish lass, sister of one with black hair. It was unusual I was told but far from unique. Yet ginger hair comes from up north.

In short; race cannot be defined. Therefore, can it exist?

[Rovinghawk]

irocfan said:

Rovinghawk said:

If we're all the same then why is it that certain medications (eg the early antimalarials) can have different effects on different ethnicities?

Apparently diabetes is more prevalent among BAME folks too

Isn't sickle cell anaemia predominantly a 'black' illness?

[mondeoman]

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BlackLabel said:

White bloke of Irish heritage self identifies as a black person and is awarded a job designed to increase the representation of black and minority ethnic individuals in British theatre.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/anthony-lennon-...

Non paywall....

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/an...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/04/thea...

I'd love to know how the 'liberalists' react to this!

On one hand they're all about how we can identify as we please and how we shouldn't be assigned to boxes, but now a white guy has taken a 'black' role, will they be as free and open?

(tbf the guy seems like he might actually look black for whatever reason, and was actually bullied at school because of his colour etc)

[nikaiyo2]

Vandenberg said:

So if we can change race and gender, what's next Species?

I know this was posted in jest, however I know someone who now identifies as a cat, went so far as changing their name by deed pol to something retarded.

[NoVetec]

Rovinghawk said:

If we're all the same then why is it that certain medications (eg the early antimalarials) can have different effects on different ethnicities?

Race is more abstract than ethnicity.

ETA: Apologies, I meant to quote esxste's post as well in this.

Also, with regards to the thread's title, race is inherently fluid. The boundaries of race are so much more wider than ethnicity.

Edited by NoVetec on Monday 5th November 20:03

[chunder27]

Race is a fact of life.

yes, it would be better if we all were as one, but the simple fact is some races are here for one reason alone, money.

Not because they want to be, or they desire to live here, they want our benefits our money and then they want to go home.

That is not a helpful situation and does not encourage them to blend in or even try and make a home here.

Those that do, have made a home, the West Indians, Vietnamese, Indians have all made the UK a home.

A lot of races, black or white have no intention of this being home, it is just an earner.

[Derek Smith]

NoVetec said:

Race is more abstract than ethnicity.

chunder27 said:

Race is a fact of life.

NoVetec has it spot on.

It's a fact of life that there's nothing in race other than vague daubs. Its use is very Humpty Dumpty. You need to define what you mean by the word race when you use it. After all, there might be a more accurate one available.

[gothatway]

Derek Smith said:

NoVetec said:

Race is more abstract than ethnicity.

NoVetec has it spot on.

It's a fact of life that there's nothing in race other than vague daubs. Its use is very Humpty Dumpty. You need to define what you mean by the word race when you use it. After all, there might be a more accurate one available.

Exactly. Ethnicity would be a more useful term to use if one wants to distinguish between people from different parts of the world or cultures.

[anonymous-user]

nikaiyo2 said:

I know this was posted in jest, however I know someone who now identifies as a cat, went so far as changing their name by deed pol to something retarded.

Lordy its happening quicker than I joked.

I have two cats and sometimes envy their very cushy lives and sometimes joke about swapping for a week, and I wanted to change my name to Godzilla aged 6 but the reality is I am a white bloke, not a Cat or a radioactive dinosaur.

For me it highlights that there is a lack of mental health services or people aren't accessing the services that are available.

But if its anything goes these days, I now identify as a Billionaire Bond Villain, have always fancied a villains lair as a home.

[voyds9]

Rovinghawk said:

voyds9 said:

And here we have a white woman who identifies as Native American.

Where was she born?

In America

Doesn't make her a native American (even the native Americans (Cherokees) agree)