Benefits of Brexit
Discussion
hyphen said:
Banana Plugs will be ok again. The EU banned plugging in speakers with banana plugs, as the European plug is also 2 pronged and they deemed it a safety risk.
All the media attention on bent bananas and no body ever defended the poor banana plug.
glad to see maplin had defied that one!All the media attention on bent bananas and no body ever defended the poor banana plug.
PH XKR said:
The wider issue is that realistically people cannot live on minimum wage ...
This is something I hear a lot by people in the UK.... I fundamentally disagree with it.The problem is more like people are not willing to live within their means; everyone thinks they are entitled to lives of luxury and not prepared to either educate or work for it.
I'd say this was a primary result of Labour's benefit hand outs which installed in to a number of generations that it was ok to be "disadvantaged" because the system would be there for you.
Yes, there should be a safety net for those who need it, but not as a life choice which it started to turn in to.
But the problem is that people started to turn down minimum wage jobs as they had the choice of living off the taxpayer.
I think the current issue of the UK unemployed needs some messages of reality in order to allow Brexit to work.
PH XKR said:
This is not just about pret. The wider issue is that realistically people cannot live on minimum wage yet to someone from Poland where they may earn 15 quid a day, the idea of 64 or more a day is very attractive. Where minimum wage was intended as a lower safeguard, with an influx of people willing to work for it, the race to the bottom has ensued
Nutshell , low wage economy will gently evaporate.My partner is on a little more than nmw. We don't spend much per week as our outgoings are very low, weekly shop for instance is typically 65. So we spend sensibly.. There is no need as a powerfully built director I am on a six figure salary but we keep to our routes. There is absolutely no way, on her own, could she survive on nmw.
To save deposit for rent then fees etc, its a wonder how people do it, bearing in mind we already dont spend much so others on nmw with finance for transportation etc on top of everything else?
We now rent a property out to a lovely young family of four. She used to work for my team. She earns more than nmw as does he but both are on the living wage. Two kids, no lavish lifestyle, it was proving difficult to find a property they could afford to move in to after notice was served on their last place (rent up £250 a month). The block being the credit search fees, agency fees, two months deposit all before you move in. So dont sit there and preach it is possible to live on, it isn't really. Ask yourself how staff on nmw with travel and rent costs can afford to live if working in London....
To save deposit for rent then fees etc, its a wonder how people do it, bearing in mind we already dont spend much so others on nmw with finance for transportation etc on top of everything else?
We now rent a property out to a lovely young family of four. She used to work for my team. She earns more than nmw as does he but both are on the living wage. Two kids, no lavish lifestyle, it was proving difficult to find a property they could afford to move in to after notice was served on their last place (rent up £250 a month). The block being the credit search fees, agency fees, two months deposit all before you move in. So dont sit there and preach it is possible to live on, it isn't really. Ask yourself how staff on nmw with travel and rent costs can afford to live if working in London....
Atomic12C said:
PH XKR said:
The wider issue is that realistically people cannot live on minimum wage ...
This is something I hear a lot by people in the UK.... I fundamentally disagree with it.The problem is more like people are not willing to live within their means; everyone thinks they are entitled to lives of luxury and not prepared to either educate or work for it.
I'd say this was a primary result of Labour's benefit hand outs which installed in to a number of generations that it was ok to be "disadvantaged" because the system would be there for you.
Yes, there should be a safety net for those who need it, but not as a life choice which it started to turn in to.
But the problem is that people started to turn down minimum wage jobs as they had the choice of living off the taxpayer.
I think the current issue of the UK unemployed needs some messages of reality in order to allow Brexit to work.
For the individual likely our Government uses our taxes that help boost such a miserly wage. Why should our taxes subsidise a company that pays such low rates of pay.
Atomic12C said:
PH XKR said:
The wider issue is that realistically people cannot live on minimum wage ...
This is something I hear a lot by people in the UK.... I fundamentally disagree with it.The problem is more like people are not willing to live within their means; everyone thinks they are entitled to lives of luxury and not prepared to either educate or work for it.
I'd say this was a primary result of Labour's benefit hand outs which installed in to a number of generations that it was ok to be "disadvantaged" because the system would be there for you.
Yes, there should be a safety net for those who need it, but not as a life choice which it started to turn in to.
But the problem is that people started to turn down minimum wage jobs as they had the choice of living off the taxpayer.
I think the current issue of the UK unemployed needs some messages of reality in order to allow Brexit to work.
There are many companies who see problems looming. After Aldi and Lidl stated what they were going to pay others are following suit.
M&S are going to pay the living wage from this year I am told.
I think a lot of companies are gearing up for the implementation of the living wage at full level and are moving things now.
The company I work for were always top payers but now we are seeing that lead in some areas has gone.
When you look at the low skill end why would people go and work at something hard when you get the same money saying, "do you want fries with that "?
It might mean we force those feckless off benefits into work, but I suspect a deal will be done to allow good people to stay within the UK but able to make those we don't want here to be sent home,
you never know, it might make bad employers really look at how they treat people.
M&S are going to pay the living wage from this year I am told.
I think a lot of companies are gearing up for the implementation of the living wage at full level and are moving things now.
The company I work for were always top payers but now we are seeing that lead in some areas has gone.
When you look at the low skill end why would people go and work at something hard when you get the same money saying, "do you want fries with that "?
It might mean we force those feckless off benefits into work, but I suspect a deal will be done to allow good people to stay within the UK but able to make those we don't want here to be sent home,
you never know, it might make bad employers really look at how they treat people.
hyphen said:
Banana Plugs will be ok again. The EU banned plugging in speakers with banana plugs, as the European plug is also 2 pronged and they deemed it a safety risk.
All the media attention on bent bananas and no body ever defended the poor banana plug.
It's because banana plugs are almost an exact fit for their sockets (which are crap anyway). All the media attention on bent bananas and no body ever defended the poor banana plug.
In most cases you just need to remove a couple of little plastic blanking plates to use them in your amp, even if it's the EU version.
I'm hoping we get decent weed killers back.
I've used every product I can find here to try and kill 'stinking robert' (Geranium robertianum) which has completely taken over my garden. It doesn't give two s
ts about glyphosate PH XKR said:
hyphen said:
Banana Plugs will be ok again. The EU banned plugging in speakers with banana plugs, as the European plug is also 2 pronged and they deemed it a safety risk.
All the media attention on bent bananas and no body ever defended the poor banana plug.
glad to see maplin had defied that one!All the media attention on bent bananas and no body ever defended the poor banana plug.
budgie smuggler said:
hyphen said:
Banana Plugs will be ok again. The EU banned plugging in speakers with banana plugs, as the European plug is also 2 pronged and they deemed it a safety risk.
All the media attention on bent bananas and no body ever defended the poor banana plug.
It's because banana plugs are almost an exact fit for their sockets (which are crap anyway). All the media attention on bent bananas and no body ever defended the poor banana plug.
In most cases you just need to remove a couple of little plastic blanking plates to use them in your amp, even if it's the EU version.
I'm hoping we get decent weed killers back.
I've used every product I can find here to try and kill 'stinking robert' (Geranium robertianum) which has completely taken over my garden. It doesn't give two s
ts about glyphosate Atomic12C said:
This is something I hear a lot by people in the UK.... I fundamentally disagree with it.
The problem is more like people are not willing to live within their means; everyone thinks they are entitled to lives of luxury and not prepared to either educate or work for it.
I'd say this was a primary result of Labour's benefit hand outs which installed in to a number of generations that it was ok to be "disadvantaged" because the system would be there for you.
Yes, there should be a safety net for those who need it, but not as a life choice which it started to turn in to.
But the problem is that people started to turn down minimum wage jobs as they had the choice of living off the taxpayer.
I think the current issue of the UK unemployed needs some messages of reality in order to allow Brexit to work.
Partly agree with you on this but you forgot to add the engineered consumerist society we now live in. You can argue "well if you can't afford a nice telly, you shouldn't have one" but the society we now live in revolves around shiny toys and distractions. Human nature doesn't take that into account - kids are now brought up with a mobile phone and ipad glued to their hands. The problem is more like people are not willing to live within their means; everyone thinks they are entitled to lives of luxury and not prepared to either educate or work for it.
I'd say this was a primary result of Labour's benefit hand outs which installed in to a number of generations that it was ok to be "disadvantaged" because the system would be there for you.
Yes, there should be a safety net for those who need it, but not as a life choice which it started to turn in to.
But the problem is that people started to turn down minimum wage jobs as they had the choice of living off the taxpayer.
I think the current issue of the UK unemployed needs some messages of reality in order to allow Brexit to work.
To me its completely wrong to rely on consumer stuff. But then I say that, while typing on my MBP (but at least I earned the money to buy it, while still able to keep a roof over my head and 2 cars going).
Ultimately, there are some who will "live off the taxpayer" but surely that is now harder and harder to do, when so many who could actually do with help aren't getting it any longer. The welfare state in itself is not a bad idea. Unfortunately we're not an advanced enough society to be able to manage one successfully. Spongers will sponge>big outcry>benefits get cut, the wrong people can and do lose out.
why do pret even need people anymore, it's just a giant vending machine where the staff currently do the job of machines.
McDonalds now have self service ordering, it wont be long before the burgers/chips/drinks are rolling off a production line and there is just a manager and a technician to make sure that everything runs smoothly.
McDonalds now have self service ordering, it wont be long before the burgers/chips/drinks are rolling off a production line and there is just a manager and a technician to make sure that everything runs smoothly.
Atomic12C said:
PH XKR said:
The wider issue is that realistically people cannot live on minimum wage ...
This is something I hear a lot by people in the UK.... I fundamentally disagree with it.The problem is more like people are not willing to live within their means; everyone thinks they are entitled to lives of luxury and not prepared to either educate or work for it.
I'd say this was a primary result of Labour's benefit hand outs which installed in to a number of generations that it was ok to be "disadvantaged" because the system would be there for you.
Yes, there should be a safety net for those who need it, but not as a life choice which it started to turn in to.
But the problem is that people started to turn down minimum wage jobs as they had the choice of living off the taxpayer.
I think the current issue of the UK unemployed needs some messages of reality in order to allow Brexit to work.
Personally whilst I accept I won't be purchasing a Lamborghini anytime soon, life is fine within your means. I also accept that when kids come along we will have to give up certain luxuries like a holiday every year, but I'm confident we can manage in our current mindset, without needing to get into debt.
Someone mentioned about fees applicable to renting, haven't letings agent fees now been abolished? I'm sure they'll make the money in another way though..
sparks_E39 said:
I do, in part, agree with you. I earn just under £20k and my fiancée earns circa £17k. Granted above the minimum wage and we're not rolling in it. We save money, we don't live beyond our means and we are comfortable. We managed to save for a 10 day trip to Florida and New York that we've just returned from, and for spending money. Whilst we were over there we took advantage of the clothing being much cheaper (for example I purchased 4 t shirts and a sweater for $50 in a Vans outlet, that would be £150 easily here) We manage one takeaway per month and one meal out to a restaurant plus a cinema trip. We have two HD TV's, one is 7 years old and the other was a gift. We have an Xbox One and Chromecast with a Netflix subscription. Everything works perfectly touch wood. I don't feel the need to purchase the lastest iteration of the Xbox One or need a new TV because mines a bit old. I don't think I've used my credit card since last summer. We are saving enough that we already can go away to America next year for a Honeymoon, I can buy an old Merc and we can get a bigger place (rented)
Personally whilst I accept I won't be purchasing a Lamborghini anytime soon, life is fine within your means. I also accept that when kids come along we will have to give up certain luxuries like a holiday every year, but I'm confident we can manage in our current mindset, without needing to get into debt.
Someone mentioned about fees applicable to renting, haven't letings agent fees now been abolished? I'm sure they'll make the money in another way though..
Nice honest post.Personally whilst I accept I won't be purchasing a Lamborghini anytime soon, life is fine within your means. I also accept that when kids come along we will have to give up certain luxuries like a holiday every year, but I'm confident we can manage in our current mindset, without needing to get into debt.
Someone mentioned about fees applicable to renting, haven't letings agent fees now been abolished? I'm sure they'll make the money in another way though..
What were your views on brexit?
Not all kids are glued to phones/tablets. Ours doesn't have one but a friend of mine, his kid has all the latest gadgets to "avoid being bullied". I think there is evidence that those resigned to benefits seem to have more of the on the tick gadgets, but from the friends and people we know that are working on or around the nmw they tend not to.
sparks_E39 said:
///ajd said:
Nice honest post.
What were your views on brexit?
We wanted to remain, personally I believe it's a mistake but there's no point in dwelling. The people voted and it was fair. Onwards and upwards! What were your views on brexit?
He won't be able to get his head around that correct answer. EVER!
sparks_E39 said:
We wanted to remain, personally I believe it's a mistake but there's no point in dwelling. The people voted and it was fair. Onwards and upwards!
I think that is how most people feel which ever way they voted. There is a 5% or so shouty lot who will moan whatever but the majority of people, and business, just shrug their shoulders and move on.Had the vote been Remain we would also have had a 5% shouty lot on the other side moaning and the vast majority of sensible people would have accepted the result, got on with their lives and ignored them as well.
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