Benefits of Brexit

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crankedup

25,764 posts

244 months

Sunday 9th April 2017
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alfie2244 said:
And yet we have the lowest jobless rate since July to 2005 scratchchin

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/articles/021520170...
Whenever I see this statement (fact) I always question how many of those jobs are low quality self employed deliveroo employment. No disrespect to those workers, but the rise of this type of work has been significant.

crankedup

25,764 posts

244 months

Sunday 9th April 2017
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///ajd said:
alfie2244 said:
///ajd said:
alfie2244 said:
jjlynn27 said:
The graph was of companies going bankrupt. Was that not clear? Not individuals. The graph was a response to your claim that all companies that you know are doing really really well. The graph shows one of two things, either your sample is way too small, or you are telling porkies. Unless you think that companies going bankrupt are a sign of company doing well.
No need for any explanation from me at all. The graph was presented as verifiable data from ONS. I didn't say what's causing the graph to look as it does. Where did I ascribe anything?
Companies don't go bankrupt but even if they did, if there is no correlation, then why post it on a Brexit related thread?
The correlation is two posts above.

Linked to cost of living going up, linked to brexit.
Picky I know but isn't cost of living for people not companies?....wages, not adjusted for inflation, went up last year, employment was up why no link to any good news? As if I don't really know wink
As cost of living goes up, so peoples disposable income goes down - many businesses are based on people spending their disposable income on stuff.

Feel free to link to any good news. No one is stopping you, go ahead.

That doesn't mean those that want to can't discuss bad news.
Agree with the fact people spend money on stuff, the question is how much of that stuff is imported, lots and lots. People are spending cash and beyond thier means with credit cards and loans creating a bubble again. Apparently cars are one of the biggest sellers over the past few years. Selling this stuff are sales people at the tills, thousands of them. Meanwhile businesses that export are doing brilliantly well, thanks to the drop in value of the pound due to Brexit.

alfie2244

11,292 posts

189 months

Sunday 9th April 2017
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///ajd said:
As cost of living goes up, so peoples disposable income goes down - many businesses are based on people spending their disposable income on stuff.

Feel free to link to any good news. No one is stopping you, go ahead.

That doesn't mean those that want to can't discuss bad news.
You and your co-pilot will never admit to being wrong all the time I have a hole in my derriere.

As for "discussing bad news" you are probably the most prolific poster of so called bad news of Brexit" on this entire forum so why not keep this thread restricted to the positives "benefits" as per the thread title?

Bet you can't. - Other Brexit threads are: < ^ > HTH

///ajd

8,964 posts

207 months

Sunday 9th April 2017
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alfie2244 said:
You and your co-pilot will never admit to being wrong all the time I have a hole in my derriere.

As for "discussing bad news" you are probably the most prolific poster of so called bad news of Brexit" on this entire forum so why not keep this thread restricted to the positives "benefits" as per the thread title?

Bet you can't. - Other Brexit threads are: < ^ > HTH
I was just responding to the graph showing the huge increase in companies going bust.

We could get back to listing all the laws we'll now get rid of here in the benefits thread. That was going well.


alfie2244

11,292 posts

189 months

Sunday 9th April 2017
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///ajd said:
alfie2244 said:
You and your co-pilot will never admit to being wrong all the time I have a hole in my derriere.

As for "discussing bad news" you are probably the most prolific poster of so called bad news of Brexit" on this entire forum so why not keep this thread restricted to the positives "benefits" as per the thread title?

Bet you can't. - Other Brexit threads are: < ^ > HTH
I was just responding to the graph showing the huge increase in companies going bust.

We could get back to listing all the laws we'll now get rid of here in the benefits thread. That was going well.
I thought we were going to automatically incorporate all current EU laws into UK law and then, as and when it suits us, repeal or alter laws that don't suit the UK's specific needs....... sounds sensible to me..... Even you must admit being able to make our laws suit our country has get to be better than laws designed to somehow be relevant and fair to 28 different countries with their very own specific individual requirements.

To be a true innovator and visionary you can’t listen to too many people and we all know that a camel is really a horse designed by a committee don't we...... Often attributed to Sir Alec Issigonis - being a car forum I assume you know who he is wink

KrissKross

2,182 posts

102 months

Sunday 9th April 2017
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///ajd said:
huge increase in companies going bust.
What TYPE of companies?


KrissKross

2,182 posts

102 months

Sunday 9th April 2017
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alfie2244 said:
To be a true innovator and visionary you can’t listen to too many people
I partly agree with this, its important listening to genuinely clever people in a chosen field for research purposes, people like slasher and his mate could clearly be clever but they are very narrow minded. Being a team player in innovation is important, being able to manage a team of innovators is a skill in its own right. No certificate allows on its own gives you this skill.

Some of the people I work alongside are visionaries using say CAD, or by sketching out ideas, brainstorming and remaining positive even though 100 ideas are terrible a single good one might appear that gets expanded upon.

Some of the posters on here remind me of school teachers, life is not a spelling test. If I wrote a document I know its probably full of errors but you would get the point, I might give it to the team member that is much better at Englishing than I am if it was going anywhere important.

How many people on here can sculpt or paint a masterpiece, said people could be totally illiterate, does that make them stupid?

I know none of this relates to EU or Brexit, but life is about creating an atmosphere of positivity and the crazy thought that anything is possible.

I know who I would like to be stuck on a desert island with, life is tough enough lets just get on with it.

alfie2244

11,292 posts

189 months

Sunday 9th April 2017
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KrissKross said:
I know who I would like to be stuck on a desert island with, life is tough enough lets just get on with it.
Well if slasher and his little gaggle of (not so) merry men's doom laden predictions come true you may well get your wish biggrin

KrissKross

2,182 posts

102 months

Sunday 9th April 2017
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alfie2244 said:
KrissKross said:
I know who I would like to be stuck on a desert island with, life is tough enough lets just get on with it.
Well if slasher and his little gaggle of (not so) merry men's doom laden predictions come true you may well get your wish biggrin
I wont go hungry then wink

alfie2244

11,292 posts

189 months

Sunday 9th April 2017
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KrissKross said:
alfie2244 said:
KrissKross said:
I know who I would like to be stuck on a desert island with, life is tough enough lets just get on with it.
Well if slasher and his little gaggle of (not so) merry men's doom laden predictions come true you may well get your wish biggrin
I wont go hungry then wink
AFAIK Apart from the odd coconut they are full of sand not trifle.

Murph7355

37,751 posts

257 months

Sunday 9th April 2017
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///ajd said:
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It is possible it is linked to the 15% drop in currency, being enough in some cases to push companies with exposure to such a drop, whether their product/service has enough non-£ content that 15% would really hurt.
Of course "it's possible".

Equally it's possible that being members of the EU led to an ever burgeoning number of bankruptcies in the first place.

1-1 on bullst statistical bingo smile

My bet would be on there being no single cause and that it will depend on the type of company involved.

jjlynn27

7,935 posts

110 months

Monday 10th April 2017
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Tuna said:
///ajd said:
The correlation is two posts above.

Linked to cost of living going up, linked to brexit.
You say that two posts below a quote that shows you're demonstrably wrong!

limpsfield said:
..linked to 1,796 connected personal service companies entering liquidation on the same date following changes to claimable expenses rules.
So, I asked what link there was to Brexit, jlynne stuck to his guns saying that it's obviously caused by brexit..erm.. because..

..and then we have the answer. Changes in rules introduced by HMRC have made the use of personal service companies less of a tax dodge than they used to be - so they get shut down in a single block, giving us the peak.

Absolutely nothing to do with Brexit
You are lying.

alfie2244

11,292 posts

189 months

Monday 10th April 2017
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Number of technology companies setting up in the UK more than doubles this side of the Brexit vote


http://www.cityam.com/262181/number-technology-com...

loafer123

15,448 posts

216 months

Monday 10th April 2017
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Jim O'Neill (ex- Goldman, defined the BRICS etc), ardent Remainer has said, whilst he regrets the result, it gives us a unique opportunity to get ahead in the rapidly changing world economy, especially in Asia.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/04/09/bre...

richie99

1,116 posts

187 months

Monday 10th April 2017
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///ajd said:
I was just responding to the graph showing the huge increase in companies going bust.

We could get back to listing all the laws we'll now get rid of here in the benefits thread. That was going well.
Let me have a go, some EU laws which should definitely be repealed, but equally definitely will not be. Partly because they are hugely damaging and so obviously worthwhile, and partly because there will be no repealing of anything significant. If anything, EU laws will be made worse.

Large Combustion Plant Directive - resulting in the closure of our coal fired power stations putting our electricity supply at risk and massively inflating the price of what power we will have,

Waste framework directive - responsible for councils getting out of the waste collection business and the dramatic rise in fly tipping, amongst other things.

In 5 years time, these will both still be in place.

minimoog

6,895 posts

220 months

Monday 10th April 2017
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richie99 said:
Waste framework directive - responsible for councils getting out of the waste collection business and the dramatic rise in fly tipping, amongst other things.
What's your logic behind those 2 statements, out of interest?

PH XKR

Original Poster:

1,761 posts

103 months

Tuesday 11th April 2017
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minimoog said:
richie99 said:
Waste framework directive - responsible for councils getting out of the waste collection business and the dramatic rise in fly tipping, amongst other things.
What's your logic behind those 2 statements, out of interest?
The EU law is a bit rubbish.

KrissKross

2,182 posts

102 months

Tuesday 11th April 2017
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KrissKross said:
///ajd said:
huge increase in companies going bust.
What TYPE of companies?
What TYPE of companies?

Tuna

19,930 posts

285 months

Tuesday 11th April 2017
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KrissKross said:
KrissKross said:
///ajd said:
huge increase in companies going bust.
What TYPE of companies?
What TYPE of companies?
He's not going to respond, because it was clearly shown that the increase he was so excited about was due to changes in HMRC rules, not Brexit.

Both slasher and mr lynn will ignore the facts whenever they don't fit the story. Here's a quote from Slasher earlier:

slasher said:
Interesting that so many think I'd make it up? Why?
Because you consistently post stuff that proves to be wrong, and then fail to accept that you were wrong.

Tuna

19,930 posts

285 months

Tuesday 11th April 2017
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jjlynn27 said:
Tuna said:
///ajd said:
The correlation is two posts above.

Linked to cost of living going up, linked to brexit.
You say that two posts below a quote that shows you're demonstrably wrong!

limpsfield said:
..linked to 1,796 connected personal service companies entering liquidation on the same date following changes to claimable expenses rules.
So, I asked what link there was to Brexit, jlynne stuck to his guns saying that it's obviously caused by brexit..erm.. because..

..and then we have the answer. Changes in rules introduced by HMRC have made the use of personal service companies less of a tax dodge than they used to be - so they get shut down in a single block, giving us the peak.

Absolutely nothing to do with Brexit
You are lying.
jjlynn27 said:
One question; any other event that you might think has the same influence on data as Brexit? I'd love to know which one if there is one.
You are wrong.