Staffie owner mauled to death by own dog during interview?

[BigLion]

Derek Smith said:

BigLion said:

So rather then teach the dog the correct behaviours around kids you had her/he PTS? Disgusting if that is the case, you shouldn't be allowed to have a dog - sorry but things like this make me very angry.

The dog was the best behaved I've ever seen. I know a fair bit about dog training and she took to it better than I've ever seen any dog do. I was hated at the dog training classes.

However, I have no idea how to train a dog not to react spontaneously. I'd suggest you don't either. God knows what the dog had been subjected to before I got her, but it had a major effect on her. Giant Schnauzers are big, powerful dogs. I think anyone who'd take the risk of endangering children by keeping the dog that showed such behaviour should be banned from having one.

It was a very hard decision but one that, even in retrospect, I'm glad I had the bottle to take. I knew what I had to do even before I saw the vet, but I was after having some of the pain removed. The vet, who got on really well with the dog, took a long time with me. His argument was that it was impossible for me to know that she would not react aggressively.

Three times she attacked kids in a bit less than 18mnts. The two times I saw it there was no build up. Both times she was sitting at heel. If she'd attacked a fourth, this time seriously injuring the child, what do you suggest I could have said to the parents?

So save your anger for irresponsible dog owners. There's plenty enough of those.

You could have kept her on a lead in public whilst you work through the triggers to establish truly what the underlying cause is, but no why go through that hassle far easier to PTS had move onto the next dog I guess...

At least you tried

[Granfondo]

BigLion said:

Derek Smith said:

BigLion said:

So rather then teach the dog the correct behaviours around kids you had her/he PTS? Disgusting if that is the case, you shouldn't be allowed to have a dog - sorry but things like this make me very angry.

The dog was the best behaved I've ever seen. I know a fair bit about dog training and she took to it better than I've ever seen any dog do. I was hated at the dog training classes.

However, I have no idea how to train a dog not to react spontaneously. I'd suggest you don't either. God knows what the dog had been subjected to before I got her, but it had a major effect on her. Giant Schnauzers are big, powerful dogs. I think anyone who'd take the risk of endangering children by keeping the dog that showed such behaviour should be banned from having one.

It was a very hard decision but one that, even in retrospect, I'm glad I had the bottle to take. I knew what I had to do even before I saw the vet, but I was after having some of the pain removed. The vet, who got on really well with the dog, took a long time with me. His argument was that it was impossible for me to know that she would not react aggressively.

Three times she attacked kids in a bit less than 18mnts. The two times I saw it there was no build up. Both times she was sitting at heel. If she'd attacked a fourth, this time seriously injuring the child, what do you suggest I could have said to the parents?

So save your anger for irresponsible dog owners. There's plenty enough of those.

You could have kept her on a lead in public whilst you work through the triggers to establish truly what the underlying cause is, but no why go through that hassle far easier to PTS had move onto the next dog I guess...

At least you tried

Wind your neck in.

[davepoth]

Tango13 said:

I see a potential flaw in your otherwise perfect plan...

What happens if you get the (lack of) Mastiff aggression coupled with the Dachshund size?

I'm thinking mastiff body with Dachshund legs.

[anonymous-user]

rallycross said:

The best answer would be to shoot them (the owners not the dogs, no loss to society).

The point is no one needs dangerous dogs as pets.

Bang on the money.

[rallycross]

Todays' dog story from the Dail Wail is a nice example of the scum who own dangerous dogs (not Staff's)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4374796/Fo...

[Japveesix]

rallycross said:

Todays' dog story from the Dail Wail is a nice example of the scum who own dangerous dogs (not Staff's)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4374796/Fo...

Before anyone jumps to this chaps defense he really does appear to be an asshole:
http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/14098514.Man_w...terrifyingincident_spared_jail/

Shame about the dogs though but that's what happens when they're kept, trained and raised by nasty people.

[Glasgowrob]

having watched some of the video what an utter asshat of a man he is.

i'll reiterate what I've said previously, bad owners not bad dogs. that idiot should have a lifetime ban on owning a dog imposed

[BlackLabel]

Japveesix said:

rallycross said:

Todays' dog story from the Dail Wail is a nice example of the scum who own dangerous dogs (not Staff's)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4374796/Fo...

Before anyone jumps to this chaps defense he really does appear to be an asshole:
http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/14098514.Man_w...terrifyingincident_spared_jail/

Shame about the dogs though but that's what happens when they're kept, trained and raised by nasty people.

"Hennesy, who has 10 previous convictions including conspiracy to supply class A drugs, was arrested at his house that evening."


10 previous convictions yet still doesn't get jailed for threatening someone with a machete in public? What a .

[kowalski655]

Tango13 said:

Gandahar said:

Pah, staffies.

Real men on your local council estate have Dachshund - mastiff croses.

Everytime I meet a Dachund on dog walks the bloody things have a go at my dog, who just wants to play. And he's 35kg. So breed them with a mastiff and you have a dog that is grumpy and has the bulk to back it up.

I bet a Daschund mastiff cross would show a pit bull a thing or two.

I see a potential flaw in your otherwise perfect plan...

What happens if you get the (lack of) Mastiff aggression coupled with the Dachshund size?

Also,if the father is to be the dachshund, you will need a step ladder

[Sa Calobra]

Laurel Green said:

Dogs are a fair reflection on the owner.

I'd agree 99% of the time. Our dog turned suddenly on my son. The thing was crackers but when people say 'ooo he's never done that before'. I now know that saying/feeling. They are animals. They should be controlled and small children not left with any dog sadly.

[Buffalo]

Derek Smith said:

BigLion said:

So rather then teach the dog the correct behaviours around kids you had her/he PTS? Disgusting if that is the case, you shouldn't be allowed to have a dog - sorry but things like this make me very angry.

The dog was the best behaved I've ever seen. I know a fair bit about dog training and she took to it better than I've ever seen any dog do. I was hated at the dog training classes.

However, I have no idea how to train a dog not to react spontaneously. I'd suggest you don't either. God knows what the dog had been subjected to before I got her, but it had a major effect on her. Giant Schnauzers are big, powerful dogs. I think anyone who'd take the risk of endangering children by keeping the dog that showed such behaviour should be banned from having one.

It was a very hard decision but one that, even in retrospect, I'm glad I had the bottle to take. I knew what I had to do even before I saw the vet, but I was after having some of the pain removed. The vet, who got on really well with the dog, took a long time with me. His argument was that it was impossible for me to know that she would not react aggressively.

Three times she attacked kids in a bit less than 18mnts. The two times I saw it there was no build up. Both times she was sitting at heel. If she'd attacked a fourth, this time seriously injuring the child, what do you suggest I could have said to the parents?

So save your anger for irresponsible dog owners. There's plenty enough of those.

Years ago I lived with as a lodger with a family who had a rescue collie (the mum always had rescue dogs and was respected for her training of them), and a young girl around 5 or 6 years old. The collie nipped the kid. I don't know but could believe it was initiated by the kid as she was quite precocious, and the landlady sought the advice of her vet. He advised to put the dog down, saying something along the lines of "the number of people I have here who after the second, third, event - this time with hideous scarring on the child - wish they had the guts to do this the first time. You don't know the true history of the dog and you cannot be sure it will do it again. Sometimes it is the only right decision, however hard."

That experience always stayed with me. Being a pet owner is a responsibility not everyone is cut out for. So it is a sobering thought to consider if I could do the same if I had to...

[Derek Smith]

Buffalo said:

Years ago I lived with as a lodger with a family who had a rescue collie (the mum always had rescue dogs and was respected for her training of them), and a young girl around 5 or 6 years old. The collie nipped the kid. I don't know but could believe it was initiated by the kid as she was quite precocious, and the landlady sought the advice of her vet. He advised to put the dog down, saying something along the lines of "the number of people I have here who after the second, third, event - this time with hideous scarring on the child - wish they had the guts to do this the first time. You don't know the true history of the dog and you cannot be sure it will do it again. Sometimes it is the only right decision, however hard."

That experience always stayed with me. Being a pet owner is a responsibility not everyone is cut out for. So it is a sobering thought to consider if I could do the same if I had to...

It was a hard decision. It was my favourite dog in many ways as it trained so well. It was quick to pick up any new procedure and would remember it. However, if I moved my left hand over its head if it was at heel it would flinch. But the vet was clear in what he was advising. There was something nervous about the dog and when there were fireworks we had to sedate her. She never seemed totally relaxed except when training. Then it was magic. Everything went in.

The Bouvier that I showed a picture of - that's from a calendar she featured in. It's also on the Wiki page twice - was the most gentle of my dogs. Massive - it could put its front paws on my shoulders, I'm 6'2.5", and sort of smile - but would not take offence at anything. If I, or anyone, held a piece of food, especially and apple core, between thumb and forefinger, she could extract it without getting saliva on the holder. If I or my wife fell asleep on the settee she would climb onto our laps without waking us.

In the breed standard the Bouvier is supposed to be tireless. She hadn't read the Kennel Club description. I had to carry her about half a mile back to the car once because she just got fed up with walking. She had problems with her hips, hence the breeder wanting to get rid of her, and we were told to keep her slim, so she was around 20-22kgs, but that's still a heavy dog. She was quite skinny but her abundant coat stopped this being apparent to other people and so they didn't feed her. When we got her, aged 5, she was in pain if she walked for any distance. But when she died at 13 she was still well mobile.

She was brilliant. Everyone's idea of what a big dog should be.

My son plays rugby and we were at trials where my lad's opposite number was made to look a bit feeble in the matches - ones for the selectors to pick for a touring side to go to Australia - and the other chap realised that he'd not go. I felt sorry for him but he wasn't good enough and must have known it had been made apparent during the matches. In the bar afterwards the other #7 grabbed hold of my lad by the arm rather aggressively. He was standing about 10' away from where I was with my dog. She was sitting at heel but barked, really loudly. It rocked the room, frightening everyone, including me, but then I was nearest. My lad brushed the bloke's arm off and came over to placate our dog, but she'd done her bit and was as calm as ever.

She was never left in a room alone with kids, not even mine despite being the most dependable dog we've ever had.

Our second Bouvier died a year or so ago, aged 15, quite old for a Bouv, and it's been impossible for us to get another dog.

One of my PCs was called to a sudden infant death where a cat had sat on the cot. There was no fur in the kid's mouth but then there was a cover over the cot, the belief being that it had smothered the child with the covering. The PM was inconclusive.

[BlackLabel]

Another dog shot dead and a child critically injured in hospital.

"Child has life-threatening injuries after being bitten by a dog in Chatham"

http://news.sky.com/story/child-has-life-threateni...

[Digga]

BlackLabel said:

Another dog shot dead and a child critically injured in hospital.

"Child has life-threatening injuries after being bitten by a dog in Chatham"

http://news.sky.com/story/child-has-life-threateni...

The incident being in Chatham probably the salient fact.

[pim]

A dog which can never be left alone with children shouldn't be in a home with children.

All my dogs from childhood German Sheperd.Irish Terrier and a Keeshond where all top notch with their behaviour towards us.My old man would have wrong their neck if they ever attempted to bite us.

He was six two 16 stone no fat and strong.

I've known Bouviers again a dog with plenty of power and strong willed.Some people can't handle these type of dogs and in the wrong hands they are lethal.

Our neighbour has a pitbull cross a bh she is friendly but her bite would kill you.Not worth having this type of dog in my opinion.

[pim]

Female dog please that is what they are called.bh.

[otolith]

Japveesix said:

Before anyone jumps to this chaps defense he really does appear to be an asshole:
http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/14098514.Man_w...terrifyingincident_spared_jail/

Shame about the dogs though but that's what happens when they're kept, trained and raised by nasty people.

I wonder if he comprehends that he was entirely responsible for his dogs getting killed.

[Digga]

otolith said:

Japveesix said:

Before anyone jumps to this chaps defense he really does appear to be an asshole:
http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/14098514.Man_w...terrifyingincident_spared_jail/

Shame about the dogs though but that's what happens when they're kept, trained and raised by nasty people.

I wonder if he comprehends that he was entirely responsible for his dogs getting killed.

Doesn't say they were PTS. Does say the offender wants to start breeding dogs on release; exactly the sort of person and reason why there should be stricter laws about who can and cannot breed dogs. Epsilon-minus semi-moron.

[otolith]

Ah, I quoted the wrong post - that was about the dogs that were shot in Bolton.

[Digga]

otolith said:

Ah, I quoted the wrong post - that was about the dogs that were shot in Bolton.

Having re-read my post I feel that, for clarity, I should say I wasn't calling you names, but the piece of filth in the linked story.