Staffie owner mauled to death by own dog during interview?

[jjlynn27]

Digga said:

No but nieces and nephews and neighbours kids.

That is the whole point about them learning the limits of play. To minimise the risk the the dog using inappropriate force on humans. All the dogs we've had have been excellent with kids - I really mean that - but I would never leave dogs and young kids unsupervised.

So, in a nutshell yes, it is always a concern and, IMHO always should be to any dog owner.

Good dogs aren't dumb though. They know right from wrong and understand they need to look after old or young people alike. Our first two dogs with my mate's daughter - they actually let her walk them, without pulling. That's about 60kgs of dog there, down country lanes, with interesting scents to nose!

The key point is that you'd never leave them unsupervised. And that you think of it as a concern. Very healthy and responsible approach.
My usual concern, I guess, stems from countless stories told by two friends working in A&E where they've seen so many injuries caused by dogs. Before having kids ourselves, we were toying with the idea of getting a dog from Battersea, but decided against it as I just wouldn't trust them around babies/kids.

[Digga]

Very much depends on the dogs.

Taz, the bigger of those two (both now sadly departed) came with us one Sunday to take our nephews to rugby practice. You'd think he was paying no attention - looked ready for a snooze at times, and was sniffing around the grass - but when it was our nephew's turn to hold the 'punch bag' they were doing maul practice with, as soon as the first kid made contact he growled.

Two things there; first the dog would not hurt, or let anyone else hurt 'his' family. Second, you can easily see how innocent play can have unintended effects on dogs. Always supervise.

[wc98]

Tango13 said:

The reason chavs own Staff's is due to a lack of basic literacy on the chavs part

Chavs want vicious fighting dogs, Staffs tend to be viscous farting dogs...

See the problem?

possibly why so many staffs end up in rescue centres ,they get dumped when they don't behave in an aggressive manner when prompted by these clowns.

[jjlynn27]

wc98 said:

possibly why so many staffs end up in rescue centres ,they get dumped when they don't behave in an aggressive manner when prompted by these clowns.

Pretty much. Go to any shelter and there is so many of them.

[Digga]

jjlynn27 said:

wc98 said:

possibly why so many staffs end up in rescue centres ,they get dumped when they don't behave in an aggressive manner when prompted by these clowns.

Pretty much. Go to any shelter and there is so many of them.

That's exactly how we ended up with all our dogs. Those two in the pictures, you can almost see how someone's trying to breed 'Super Staffies'. One's a Doberman cross and the other was a Rottie cross.

Aside from aggression, these dogs also seem to be bought by people barely capable of looking after themselves, let alone a pet, so the general chaos and lack of planning tends to lead to abandonment.

I'd love to see far stricter rules on neutering and breeding TBF.

[jjlynn27]

Digga said:

jjlynn27 said:

wc98 said:

possibly why so many staffs end up in rescue centres ,they get dumped when they don't behave in an aggressive manner when prompted by these clowns.

Pretty much. Go to any shelter and there is so many of them.

That's exactly how we ended up with all our dogs. Those two in the pictures, you can almost see how someone's trying to breed 'Super Staffies'. One's a Doberman cross and the other was a Rottie cross.

Aside from aggression, these dogs also seem to be bought by people barely capable of looking after themselves, let alone a pet, so the general chaos and lack of planning tends to lead to abandonment.

I'd love to see far stricter rules on neutering and breeding TBF.

I think it's safe to say that I'm fearful of dogs. A long time ago, a friend came to live with me after having collar bone broken in a motorcycle accident. He was staying at my place together with Ringo, napoletan mastif (spelling?), which was a huge black drooling thing. Everything was fine (excluding dog saliva everywhere), then one day I pat my friend on the shoulder which was not appreciated by the dog. I think, as a reminder, I left the door behind I managed to hide, with all the marks of a dog trying to get to me. I don't think that I was ever afraid in my whole entire life.

[Digga]

No mistake, dogs can be mental.

[noway]

"Dont show fear whatever you do"

This is what i was told, so when i came across a German Shepherd in a alleyway while out on my bike in my early teens i gave it the evil eye and pumped my chest out showing it i was the boss..

It came at me and sunk its teeth into my arse cheek as i rode away feet flapping hell for leather.I wont go into the details of another German Shepherd bite but i will say this > when my wife found me laying in our frontroom with my trousers down holding my bruised and swollen arse cheek (again) and my rather attractive blond female neighbour (the dogs owner) standing over me asking does it hurt, she (the misses) didnt believe my explanation..

3 times in total biten by German Shepherds (twice on the arse)

Biten by a fox too and that really hurt..(not on the arse)

Edited by noway on Friday 31st March 17:45

[jjlynn27]

The one that jumped at me wasn't as big as this, but same type maybe 20% smaller.



So, it's pretty safe to say, that my fear was obvious.

[BigLion]

noway said:

"Dont show fear whatever you do"

This is what i was told, so when i came across a German Shepherd in a alleyway while out on my bike in my early teens i gave it the evil eye and pumped my chest out showing it i was the boss..

It came at me and sunk its teeth into my arse cheek as i rode away feet flapping hell for leather.

Edited by noway on Friday 31st March 17:45

[gareth_r]

jjlynn27 said:

The one that jumped at me wasn't as big as this, but same type maybe 20% smaller.



So, it's pretty safe to say, that my fear was obvious.

Either those people are very very short, or that's a fake.

[gareth_r]

telecat said:

More of the story coming out. It seems like the dog revived the owner last year when he had a seizure by nibbling at him. Suggestions are he was trying it again and opened a knife wound on the guy's neck. As the owner was a drug user we can't rule out that the dog ingested some drugs along the line altering his behaviour.

Sounds very similar to what happened to the Frenchwoman who received the first face transplant (IIRC, that was a Labrador).

EDIT: Isabelle Dinoire

Edited by gareth_r on Friday 31st March 19:02

[Countdown]

Digga said:

Aside from aggression, these dogs also seem to be bought by people barely capable of looking after themselves, let alone a pet, so the general chaos and lack of planning tends to lead to abandonment.

I'd love to see far stricter rules on neutering and breeding TBF.

Seems a bit harsh. And what about their dogs?

[pidsy]

Well, staffs are the breed of choice on your local estate but there is an alarming number of newly bred "bull-lurchers" hitting the streets and consequently, the rescue centres.

My family has ties with a lurcher rescue centre in Surrey and they are very concerned about the rise in popularity with these cross breeds. They are very unstable as a breed and crossing a pit bull with a lurched means you end up with aggression and musculature off a Pit while being bigger and having the speed and hunting ability of a lurcher.

I met 2 last time we were down at the centre - grey, short coated, and they were properly mental. They had to be muzzled at all times they were out of their crate.

[LordHaveMurci]

pidsy said:

Well, staffs are the breed of choice on your local estate but there is an alarming number of newly bred "bull-lurchers" hitting the streets and consequently, the rescue centres.

My family has ties with a lurcher rescue centre in Surrey and they are very concerned about the rise in popularity with these cross breeds. They are very unstable as a breed and crossing a pit bull with a lurched means you end up with aggression and musculature off a Pit while being bigger and having the speed and hunting ability of a lurcher.

I met 2 last time we were down at the centre - grey, short coated, and they were properly mental. They had to be muzzled at all times they were out of their crate.

Woah, that doesn't sound good at all

[DanielSan]

wc98 said:

i am having trouble understanding how a staffie managed to do this to a grown adult. would be interested to see pics of this "staffie" .
there are a lot of dogs being labeled staffies these days due to the dangerous dogs legislation that are not staffie's at all,but various bull breed crosses.

They might not look very big but any staffy I've come across are strong dogs, I can imagine a pissed off one being very hard to fend off for long.

[anonymous-user]

Laurel Green said:

Dogs are a fair reflection on the owner.

This is not at all true unfortunately. We have very close friends who had a beautiful cocker spaniel. Immaculately trained, well looked after, walked every day and not a hint of aggression.

Was put down last year after severely chomping their daughter's face. Tragic outcome for the whole family. Lovely pet put down, and daughter scarred for life.

[LordHaveMurci]

bulldong said:

This is not at all true unfortunately. We have very close friends who had a beautiful cocker spaniel. Immaculately trained, well looked after, walked every day and not a hint of aggression.

Was put down last year after severely chomping their daughter's face. Tragic outcome for the whole family. Lovely pet put down, and daughter scarred for life.

Worker or show cocker? They don't suffer fools gladly, treated well they are wonderful dogs but piss them off & they will not tolerate it for long.

There is also the so called 'cocker rage syndrome' to be aware of.

[anonymous-user]

LordHaveMurci said:

bulldong said:

This is not at all true unfortunately. We have very close friends who had a beautiful cocker spaniel. Immaculately trained, well looked after, walked every day and not a hint of aggression.

Was put down last year after severely chomping their daughter's face. Tragic outcome for the whole family. Lovely pet put down, and daughter scarred for life.

Worker or show cocker? They don't suffer fools gladly, treated well they are wonderful dogs but piss them off & they will not tolerate it for long.

There is also the so called 'cocker rage syndrome' to be aware of.

It was from a working background but not used as working dog. It never showed any malice whatsoever when I saw it and was great with the kids. Genuinely lovely dog, I don't know the precise details as it's still fairly raw so haven't asked. Probably won't.

We have a daughter the same age (4) who is literally obsessed with animals. She is very sensitive towards them and just so passionate about them. Our rule with her which she has always followed (quite sweet to see) is that if there is a dog in the street she has to ask the owner if she can stroke it before she touches it. You would be surprised the number of owners who say no because they know their dog has snapped before or the dog is afraid or nervous. My absolute rule though is that if there is a dog, our daughter can play with it but under no circumstances would we leave her unsupervised.

It's weird because I like dogs a lot and had up to 4 in the house at a time when I was growing up, but even a small dog can overwhelm a small child in a second and you/the child/the owner/the dog have/has to live with the outcome for the rest of your/their lives.

I would like a dog but right now our life is all over the place living in different countries and expat lifestyle it just doesn't lend itself to extra responsibility particularly so I don't think it would be fair to the animal. One day though.

[jjlynn27]

This is the thing that I'm afraid of with dogs and kids. Even when supervised, how quickly can you react?