The Future of Power Generation in Great Britain

The Future of Power Generation in Great Britain

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alangla

4,801 posts

181 months

Monday 15th April
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tamore said:
take this horsest to the climate threads would you, and keep this one on the subject.

we really are starting to see the interconnections pushing energy out more often now.

PD, any sign of bottlenecks easing further?
Ooooooh, get you! It was a joke, the poster below you seemed to recognise that and respond with a perfectly reasonable and civil response.

For the avoidance of doubt, I’m pleased that as a country we’re managing to generate as much clean energy as we are, but obviously we want to avoid the situation that occurred in Northern Ireland with incentives for consumption under the RHI scheme.

Edited by alangla on Monday 15th April 18:46

hidetheelephants

24,401 posts

193 months

Monday 15th April
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plfrench said:
Matthen said:
Looks like there is a coal plant idleing away: burning off stores? Expecting everyone to fire the oven up in the next 30 mins?

Interested to know.
Radcliffe powerstation near Nottingham. I pass it when I go into the office - its coal pile is almost non-existent now, certainly the lowest I've ever noticed, I guess just getting rid of remaining stocks before closing for good this Autumn. The final chapter in the UK coal-fired powerstation book coming to an end.
The end of an era, once the UK was to coal as Saudi Arabia is to oil and it powered the industrial revolution.

Condi

17,195 posts

171 months

Monday 15th April
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Evanivitch said:
From what I understand they've been providing peak/STOR, but that means running the boiler at same level all day. Easiest way to burn it off.
Nothing to do with STOR, but running for voltage support and energy at times. Power being sold to NG at reasonably cheap prices to burn off the coal.

tamore

6,979 posts

284 months

Monday 15th April
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hidetheelephants said:
The end of an era, once the UK was to coal as Saudi Arabia is to oil and it powered the industrial revolution.
progress.

Gary C

12,456 posts

179 months

Monday 15th April
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plfrench said:
Radcliffe powerstation near Nottingham. I pass it when I go into the office - its coal pile is almost non-existent now, certainly the lowest I've ever noticed, I guess just getting rid of remaining stocks before closing for good this Autumn. The final chapter in the UK coal-fired powerstation book coming to an end.
You mean Ratcliffe ?

My dad was there during commissioning days (I was 1!)

Can't almost believe its the last but 56 years his a hell of a record. Wish it could be preserved in some way.

I mean as a museum, not as a running station.

plfrench

2,375 posts

268 months

Monday 15th April
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Gary C said:
You mean Ratcliffe ?

My dad was there during commissioning days (I was 1!)

Can't almost believe its the last but 56 years his a hell of a record. Wish it could be preserved in some way.

I mean as a museum, not as a running station.
That’s it, I always confuse the name with Radcliffe-on-Trent biggrin

Not sure what the plans are for the site. I think there was talk of a hotel as it is right next to East Midlands Parkway train station. I suspect it will be demolished whatever happens though…

hidetheelephants

24,401 posts

193 months

Monday 15th April
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If HS2 is ever revived the site will probably be useful to provide development land for the interchange.

Evanivitch

20,091 posts

122 months

Monday 15th April
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plfrench said:
That’s it, I always confuse the name with Radcliffe-on-Trent biggrin

Not sure what the plans are for the site. I think there was talk of a hotel as it is right next to East Midlands Parkway train station. I suspect it will be demolished whatever happens though…
Much like Aberthaw, a very vague "energy hub".

https://www.uniper.energy/united-kingdom/news/gree...

eldar

21,763 posts

196 months

Monday 15th April
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hidetheelephants said:
The end of an era, once the UK was to coal as Saudi Arabia is to oil and it powered the industrial revolution.
As some politician said at the end of WW2, how can the people of an island of coal, surrounded by fish ever go hungry or cold?

dvs_dave

8,633 posts

225 months

Tuesday 16th April
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eldar said:
hidetheelephants said:
The end of an era, once the UK was to coal as Saudi Arabia is to oil and it powered the industrial revolution.
As some politician said at the end of WW2, how can the people of an island of coal, surrounded by fish ever go hungry or cold?
Same rings true, just being replaced with renewables.

Gary C

12,456 posts

179 months

Tuesday 16th April
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dvs_dave said:
eldar said:
hidetheelephants said:
The end of an era, once the UK was to coal as Saudi Arabia is to oil and it powered the industrial revolution.
As some politician said at the end of WW2, how can the people of an island of coal, surrounded by fish ever go hungry or cold?
Same rings true, just being replaced with renewables.
What , replacing fish ?

dvs_dave

8,633 posts

225 months

Tuesday 16th April
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Gary C said:
dvs_dave said:
eldar said:
hidetheelephants said:
The end of an era, once the UK was to coal as Saudi Arabia is to oil and it powered the industrial revolution.
As some politician said at the end of WW2, how can the people of an island of coal, surrounded by fish ever go hungry or cold?
Same rings true, just being replaced with renewables.
What , replacing fish ?
Yes, brown ones, courtesy of Thames Water. biggrin

The Don of Croy

6,000 posts

159 months

Tuesday 16th April
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hidetheelephants said:
The end of an era, once the UK was to coal as Saudi Arabia is to oil and it powered the industrial revolution.
Ironic, given that KSA has (apparently) 221 years of supply at todays rate of consumption, whereas UK had just 300 years of coal at 1921 rates of consumption (according to Lord Aberconway).

hidetheelephants

24,401 posts

193 months

Tuesday 16th April
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The Don of Croy said:
hidetheelephants said:
The end of an era, once the UK was to coal as Saudi Arabia is to oil and it powered the industrial revolution.
Ironic, given that KSA has (apparently) 221 years of supply at todays rate of consumption, whereas UK had just 300 years of coal at 1921 rates of consumption (according to Lord Aberconway).
They lie a lot about reserves; I doubt accurate figures exist for remaining coal in the UK as no one has bothered looking for a decade or more, although it's feasible our descendants will dig it up as feedstock once oil becomes too expensive. Bottom line, there's plenty of coal if it is needed in future.

Evanivitch

20,091 posts

122 months

Tuesday 16th April
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The Don of Croy said:
Ironic, given that KSA has (apparently) 221 years of supply at todays rate of consumption, whereas UK had just 300 years of coal at 1921 rates of consumption (according to Lord Aberconway).
There's always a different definition of what's there, what's economic and what's politically acceptable. It's not really something KSA have ever had to consider.

Evanivitch

20,091 posts

122 months

Tuesday 16th April
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The Don of Croy said:
Ironic, given that KSA has (apparently) 221 years of supply at todays rate of consumption, whereas UK had just 300 years of coal at 1921 rates of consumption (according to Lord Aberconway).
There's always a different definition of what's there, what's economic and what's politically acceptable. It's not really something KSA have ever had to consider.

Hill92

4,242 posts

190 months

Tuesday 16th April
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Mikey G said:
Dont think I have seen a generation mix with such low gas ever, currently below 1GW of gas and emissions down to 21g/kwh at one point, a record low I believe..
Reduced further to 19g/kwh yesterday.

https://x.com/NationalGridESO/status/1780239127062...

alangla

4,801 posts

181 months

Tuesday 16th April
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Gary C said:
dvs_dave said:
eldar said:
hidetheelephants said:
The end of an era, once the UK was to coal as Saudi Arabia is to oil and it powered the industrial revolution.
As some politician said at the end of WW2, how can the people of an island of coal, surrounded by fish ever go hungry or cold?
Same rings true, just being replaced with renewables.
What , replacing fish ?
Speaking of which… this caught my eye. Hinkley Point expected to kill 46 tons of fish a year. And EdF (ie presumably us) paying £50m to flood a nature reserve and rewild farm land nearby https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/04/16/hi...

plfrench

2,375 posts

268 months

Monday 22nd April
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Evanivitch said:
Much like Aberthaw, a very vague "energy hub".

https://www.uniper.energy/united-kingdom/news/gree...
This article makes reference to Uniper using it for Green Hydrogen generation. As a side note, I had no idea the coal Ratcliffe had been burning over recent years was sourced from South Africa and Australia - can you get a much worse carbon footprint for electricity generation??!!

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/apr/21/e...

Evanivitch

20,091 posts

122 months

Monday 22nd April
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Baglan Power Station is just the chimney stack left now. Turbine Hall has been pulled down after being gutted by arson. Didn't even generate for 20 years, and now the land will probably be used for an expanded solar farm.