The U.S.A. Mass Shootings Thread

[alabbasi]

dvs_dave said:

I’m a US citizen, live in Chicago, and have an Illinois Firearm Owner’s ID.

Ahh yes, the city with one of the strictest firearms laws in the country. Last time I was there, I saw security guards and barriers in between the public and the staff at the KFC down the road from my hotel. So how are these firearm laws working out for you?

[hidetheelephants]

alabbasi said:

dvs_dave said:

I’m a US citizen, live in Chicago, and have an Illinois Firearm Owner’s ID.

Ahh yes, the city with one of the strictest firearms laws in the country. Last time I was there, I saw security guards and barriers in between the public and the staff at the KFC down the road from my hotel. So how are these firearm laws working out for you?

Badly, but most of the guns are coming from out of state, Indiana etc. where gun laws are far less strict.

[McGee_22]

alabbasi said:

Ahh yes, the city with one of the strictest firearms laws in the country. Last time I was there, I saw security guards and barriers in between the public and the staff at the KFC down the road from my hotel. So how are these firearm laws working out for you?

No comeback about your 'more likely to get struck by lightening' argument being de-bunked?

[djc206]

alabbasi said:

dvs_dave said:

I’m a US citizen, live in Chicago, and have an Illinois Firearm Owner’s ID.

Ahh yes, the city with one of the strictest firearms laws in the country. Last time I was there, I saw security guards and barriers in between the public and the staff at the KFC down the road from my hotel. So how are these firearm laws working out for you?

Chicago is a few miles from the next state. Gun laws are unlikely to work with completely porous borders allowing weapons to flow freely into the city. Hawaii demonstrates reasonably well what half decent gun control can achieve when there’s no easy method of circumventing them.

[mko9]

djc206 said:

alabbasi said:

dvs_dave said:

I’m a US citizen, live in Chicago, and have an Illinois Firearm Owner’s ID.

Ahh yes, the city with one of the strictest firearms laws in the country. Last time I was there, I saw security guards and barriers in between the public and the staff at the KFC down the road from my hotel. So how are these firearm laws working out for you?

Chicago is a few miles from the next state. Gun laws are unlikely to work with completely porous borders allowing weapons to flow freely into the city. Hawaii demonstrates reasonably well what half decent gun control can achieve when there’s no easy method of circumventing them.

Now we just have to figure out how to move each of the States onto it's own island in the middle of the Pacific...

[Brother D]

djc206 said:

alabbasi said:

dvs_dave said:

I’m a US citizen, live in Chicago, and have an Illinois Firearm Owner’s ID.

Ahh yes, the city with one of the strictest firearms laws in the country. Last time I was there, I saw security guards and barriers in between the public and the staff at the KFC down the road from my hotel. So how are these firearm laws working out for you?

Chicago is a few miles from the next state. Gun laws are unlikely to work with completely porous borders allowing weapons to flow freely into the city. Hawaii demonstrates reasonably well what half decent gun control can achieve when there’s no easy method of circumventing them.

I too partly live in Chicago (we had a couple of mass shootings this weekend with a 7 year old killed and other children shot).

But regarding guns and shootings there is a clear cultural aspect to it.

[the tribester]

jimmyjimjim said:

5 In a Row said:

After the unfortunate events in Sydney it was interesting to note the different responses.
In Aus a lone policewoman went in and shot the guy.
In the US what appears to typically happen is several hundred cops turn up and stand around outside while waiting for someone else to go and resolve the situation, or for the shooter to run out of bullets or shoot themselves.

Still, at least in the US there's a chance some 'good guy with a gun' will turn up to take some action.
I mean, that'll happen ONE DAY, eventually won't it?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/indiana-mall-shooting-elisjsha-dicken-neutralized-gunman-15-seconds/
I remember that one well, lots of coverage, even on BBC.

https://www.denverpost.com/2007/12/10/guards-hands...
A year after I moved to the US.

It's a bit worrying with some 400 million firearms in private hands in the US, when asked for an example of a good guy/gal shooting story, the quoted one is from 18 years ago.
And then you read further into the story and see the gal in question was actually a former law officer, although a career in which she hadn't shot anyone, but also she was at the time, an armed, church security guard.

[Halmyre]

the tribester said:

jimmyjimjim said:

5 In a Row said:

After the unfortunate events in Sydney it was interesting to note the different responses.
In Aus a lone policewoman went in and shot the guy.
In the US what appears to typically happen is several hundred cops turn up and stand around outside while waiting for someone else to go and resolve the situation, or for the shooter to run out of bullets or shoot themselves.

Still, at least in the US there's a chance some 'good guy with a gun' will turn up to take some action.
I mean, that'll happen ONE DAY, eventually won't it?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/indiana-mall-shooting-elisjsha-dicken-neutralized-gunman-15-seconds/
I remember that one well, lots of coverage, even on BBC.

https://www.denverpost.com/2007/12/10/guards-hands...
A year after I moved to the US.

It's a bit worrying with some 400 million firearms in private hands in the US, when asked for an example of a good guy/gal shooting story, the quoted one is from 18 years ago.
And then you read further into the story and see the gal in question was actually a former law officer, although a career in which she hadn't shot anyone, but also she was at the time, an armed, church security guard.

The 'good guy shooting' I remember is someone who saw a car being hijacked, pulled out his gun, accidentally shot the owner of the car and then drove off, stopping only to pick up his shell casings.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3252074/P...

[hidetheelephants]

Likewise studies into what the outcome of arming school teachers would be conclude that it would result in more death, not less.

[dvs_dave]

alabbasi said:

dvs_dave said:

I’m a US citizen, live in Chicago, and have an Illinois Firearm Owner’s ID.

Ahh yes, the city with one of the strictest firearms laws in the country. Last time I was there, I saw security guards and barriers in between the public and the staff at the KFC down the road from my hotel. So how are these firearm laws working out for you?

Ok Hero, if you say so. You must have been absolutely terrified, whilst simultaneously spraying your shorts over good guy with a gun Rambo fantasies.

[alabbasi]

dvs_dave said:

Ok Hero, if you say so. You must have been absolutely terrified, whilst simultaneously spraying your shorts over good guy with a gun Rambo fantasies.

You sound like just about every man I meet from Chicago. All hat and no cattle.

[dvs_dave]

alabbasi said:

dvs_dave said:

Ok Hero, if you say so. You must have been absolutely terrified, whilst simultaneously spraying your shorts over good guy with a gun Rambo fantasies.

You sound like just about every man I meet from Chicago. All hat and no cattle.

[andyA700]

Brother D said:

djc206 said:

alabbasi said:

dvs_dave said:

I’m a US citizen, live in Chicago, and have an Illinois Firearm Owner’s ID.

Ahh yes, the city with one of the strictest firearms laws in the country. Last time I was there, I saw security guards and barriers in between the public and the staff at the KFC down the road from my hotel. So how are these firearm laws working out for you?

Chicago is a few miles from the next state. Gun laws are unlikely to work with completely porous borders allowing weapons to flow freely into the city. Hawaii demonstrates reasonably well what half decent gun control can achieve when there’s no easy method of circumventing them.

I too partly live in Chicago (we had a couple of mass shootings this weekend with a 7 year old killed and other children shot).

But regarding guns and shootings there is a clear cultural aspect to it.

Oh dear, you have mentioned the elephant in the room. You do realise that facts and honesty are never rewarded on here?

[KaraK]

Halmyre said:

The 'good guy shooting' I remember is someone who saw a car being hijacked, pulled out his gun, accidentally shot the owner of the car and then drove off, stopping only to pick up his shell casings.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3252074/P...

If only there had been another person with a gun there to shoot the first guy before he could shoot the carjacking victim.

[Byker28i]

mko9 said:

djc206 said:

alabbasi said:

dvs_dave said:

I’m a US citizen, live in Chicago, and have an Illinois Firearm Owner’s ID.

Ahh yes, the city with one of the strictest firearms laws in the country. Last time I was there, I saw security guards and barriers in between the public and the staff at the KFC down the road from my hotel. So how are these firearm laws working out for you?

Chicago is a few miles from the next state. Gun laws are unlikely to work with completely porous borders allowing weapons to flow freely into the city. Hawaii demonstrates reasonably well what half decent gun control can achieve when there’s no easy method of circumventing them.

Now we just have to figure out how to move each of the States onto it's own island in the middle of the Pacific...

Well, they almost are their own little fiefdoms, with their own laws etc.

[Byker28i]

andyA700 said:

Brother D said:

djc206 said:

alabbasi said:

dvs_dave said:

I’m a US citizen, live in Chicago, and have an Illinois Firearm Owner’s ID.

Ahh yes, the city with one of the strictest firearms laws in the country. Last time I was there, I saw security guards and barriers in between the public and the staff at the KFC down the road from my hotel. So how are these firearm laws working out for you?

Chicago is a few miles from the next state. Gun laws are unlikely to work with completely porous borders allowing weapons to flow freely into the city. Hawaii demonstrates reasonably well what half decent gun control can achieve when there’s no easy method of circumventing them.

I too partly live in Chicago (we had a couple of mass shootings this weekend with a 7 year old killed and other children shot).

But regarding guns and shootings there is a clear cultural aspect to it.

Oh dear, you have mentioned the elephant in the room. You do realise that facts and honesty are never rewarded on here?

Weirdly though didn't give the source, which only seems to be on a few twitter accounts. Allow me to help
https://heyjackass.com/category/chicago-crime-2023...
You'll notice there's also an even higher gender bias - but you didn't mention that?

Hasn't Chicago been the worse place for shootings and murders in the US for over a decade? Even more reasons for gun controls surely.


However shootings dropped 13% in Chicago last year
https://news.wttw.com/2024/01/02/shootings-homicid...
https://abc7chicago.com/chicago-shooting-shootings...


Now if we look into historical figures we find

Chicago is very racially segregated, and the safety gap between Chicago’s Black and white residents persists:

The safety gap is shrinking from its high-water mark in 2021, where the homicide rate for Black residents was 40x that for white residents.
In 2023, the disparity in homicide rates between Black and white residents decreased by 50% compared to 2021. Even with this reduction, the homicide rate for Black residents was 20 times higher than for white residents.

Also
It really is the case that a tiny share of blocks account for a disproportionate amount of gun violence.
https://crimelab.uchicago.edu/resources/trend/

Edited by Byker28i on Thursday 18th April 14:35

Edited by Byker28i on Thursday 18th April 14:37

[alabbasi]

djc206 said:

Chicago is a few miles from the next state. Gun laws are unlikely to work with completely porous borders allowing weapons to flow freely into the city.

So Chicago has a problem because guns are coming in from all these other parts of the country that don't have the same problem? That's a poor excuse don't you think?

The loud mouth comments from the idiot who says he lives there suggests that if someone finds it unpleasant to walk into a store or restaurant where everything is locked behind a cage, making you feel automatically like a criminal, and where companies like Walmart are closing half their stores due to losing millions of dollars in stock loss... The reason must be because people who have my views are either afraid or radicalized. It can't be because Chicago is a mismanaged city with ineffective laws that take the rights away from law abiding citizens and give criminals an advantage over them.

I can guarantee that the 17 armed robberies in Chicago in the last 3 days were not done by law abiding people who have no criminal records who can pass a background check.

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/chicago-poli...

Edited by alabbasi on Thursday 18th April 15:14

[jimmyjimjim]

the tribester said:

It's a bit worrying with some 400 million firearms in private hands in the US, when asked for an example of a good guy/gal shooting story, the quoted one is from 18 years ago.
And then you read further into the story and see the gal in question was actually a former law officer, although a career in which she hadn't shot anyone, but also she was at the time, an armed, church security guard.

The request was for a ggwag example.
I thought of two off the top of my head, without having to resort to Google (except to find a link). I note you don't mention the other example at all?

[djc206]

alabbasi said:

djc206 said:

Chicago is a few miles from the next state. Gun laws are unlikely to work with completely porous borders allowing weapons to flow freely into the city.

So Chicago has a problem because guns are coming in from all these other parts of the country that don't have the same problem? That's a poor excuse don't you think?

The loud mouth comments from the idiot who says he lives there suggests that if someone finds it unpleasant to walk into a store or restaurant where everything is locked behind a cage, making you feel automatically like a criminal, and where companies like Walmart are closing half their stores due to losing millions of dollars in stock loss... The reason must be because people who have my views are either afraid or radicalized. It can't be because Chicago is a mismanaged city with ineffective laws that take the rights away from law abiding citizens.

I can guarantee that the 17 armed robberies in Chicago in the last 3 days were not done by law abiding people who have no criminal records and can pass a background check.

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/chicago-poli...

I didn’t say that was the source of Chicagos issues, you’ve just chosen to incorrectly infer that. It’s not an excuse. It’s fairly bloody obvious that if Chicago has both strict gun laws and a lot of gun crime that the guns are coming from somewhere else and that there are huge socio economic and political problems at play too.

If Chicago is that fked why oh why would you add more firearms to the mix? Then you’d turn somewhere with huge problems into somewhere from one of those post apocalyptic movies. The answer is clearly not more guns when you’ve got more murders taking place in one city than the entire U.K. has in a year. I was taught not to pour petrol on a fire, you clearly think that putting petrol in the hands of everyone who hasn’t (yet) got an arson conviction is a sensible plan. It’s bonkers.

[djc206]

mko9 said:

djc206 said:

alabbasi said:

dvs_dave said:

I’m a US citizen, live in Chicago, and have an Illinois Firearm Owner’s ID.

Ahh yes, the city with one of the strictest firearms laws in the country. Last time I was there, I saw security guards and barriers in between the public and the staff at the KFC down the road from my hotel. So how are these firearm laws working out for you?

Chicago is a few miles from the next state. Gun laws are unlikely to work with completely porous borders allowing weapons to flow freely into the city. Hawaii demonstrates reasonably well what half decent gun control can achieve when there’s no easy method of circumventing them.

Now we just have to figure out how to move each of the States onto it's own island in the middle of the Pacific...

Well that’s kinda my point, you can’t, there would need to be effective federal level legislation, but that ain’t going to happen so this thread will live on.