UK asylum seekers expected to be flown to Rwanda

[nickfrog]

[Unreal]

julian987R said:

blueg33 said:

julian987R said:

One installs a wide series of retractable floating stingers that would rip through a dingy. Think of it like a floating barbed wire fence.

Legitimate boats and sea craft would have a certified system that magnetically or signally pushes the stinger fully back under the water. Think of that as like a sea tax disc.

Great for kids swimming off the beach in the summer, inflatable lilo’s etc

You haven’t thought that through at all. And it wouldn’t take long for the traffickers to work out how circumvent such idiocy.

We are brainstorming. Come on. Help shape ideas, add ideas, don’t just critique.

Torpedoes that home in on brown people, explosive swarm drones triggered by brown people, bitey sharks trained to attack inflatables containing brown people, contaminated seagulls who are trained to land on boats containing brown people. Obviously best not employed in summer as there are white people in boats who are a bit brown. Do they help?

[julian987R]

Unreal said:

Torpedoes that home in on brown people, explosive swarm drones triggered by brown people, bitey sharks trained to attack inflatables containing brown people, contaminated seagulls who are trained to land on boats containing brown people. Obviously best not employed in summer as there are white people in boats who are a bit brown. Do they help?

Now you are just being silly. Seagulls can’t be trained.

[blueg33]

julian987R said:

blueg33 said:

julian987R said:

One installs a wide series of retractable floating stingers that would rip through a dingy. Think of it like a floating barbed wire fence.

Legitimate boats and sea craft would have a certified system that magnetically or signally pushes the stinger fully back under the water. Think of that as like a sea tax disc.

Great for kids swimming off the beach in the summer, inflatable lilo’s etc

You haven’t thought that through at all. And it wouldn’t take long for the traffickers to work out how circumvent such idiocy.

We are brainstorming. Come on. Help shape ideas, add ideas, don’t just critique.

There is no point in critiquing an idea that is plainly idiotic! You can't polish a turd as they say.

[Unreal]

julian987R said:

Unreal said:

Torpedoes that home in on brown people, explosive swarm drones triggered by brown people, bitey sharks trained to attack inflatables containing brown people, contaminated seagulls who are trained to land on boats containing brown people. Obviously best not employed in summer as there are white people in boats who are a bit brown. Do they help?

Now you are just being silly. Seagulls can’t be trained.

I thought there was no such thing as a bad idea with this brainstorming game?

[Condi]

Here's an idea, put an assessment centre on the French side of the Channel, paid for by us, whereby asylum seekers can have accommodation until a decision is made. If they are granted asylum, they get free transport to the UK and a big welcome at Dover. If not allowed to enter then you say "bye" to them and chuck them out the accommodation.

Any migrants arriving on a dinghy get sent back to the assessment centre in France.


That is the only way you will stop people arriving - by providing some place in France they can look to have their claims processed, along with the deterrent of knowing if you arrive in the UK without going through that assessment centre you'll be sent back to it.

[blueg33]

272BHP said:

sugerbear said:

And why the feck do the French care who enters the channel in a boat?

They don't and that is part of the problem, it is simply not in their interests to do anything except pay lip service to the issue.

Also, how many of these migrants are criminals in their home country and are off for a fresh start? it suits them and it also suits their countries of origin who do not have ongoing incarceration expenses and rehabilitation difficulties - simply let them slip over borders so someone else has the problem.

The old “they are criminals “ trope. Debunked so many times I can’t believe you thought it was worth mentioning!

[President Merkin]

blueg33 said:

The old “they are criminals “ trope. Debunked so many times I can’t believe you thought it was worth mentioning!

Q.v. Men of fighting age. Or y'know, men of working age if you're not a completely unreconstructed knobber.

[272BHP]

blueg33 said:

The old “they are criminals “ trope. Debunked so many times I can’t believe you thought it was worth mentioning!

Not "they are criminals" but "some will be criminals"

How has it been debunked? There will be no evidence for obvious reasons.

[blueg33]

272BHP said:

blueg33 said:

The old “they are criminals “ trope. Debunked so many times I can’t believe you thought it was worth mentioning!

Not "they are criminals" but "some will be criminals"

How has it been debunked? There will be no evidence for obvious reasons.

Some of the people on OH will be criminals, some in your local tescos will be criminals.

It has zero relevance to people coming here by boat, by plane , by train.

Why mention it if you are not attempting to tar all with the same brush?

[Who_Goes_Blue]

Obvious answer is to dam the channel at plymouth and yarmouth then build a wall instead

[Unreal]

Who_Goes_Blue said:

Obvious answer is to dam the channel at plymouth and yarmouth then build a wall instead

And make the French pay for it.

Thread is finally delivering.

[Evanivitch]

Condi said:

Here's an idea, put an assessment centre on the French side of the Channel, paid for by us, whereby asylum seekers can have accommodation until a decision is made. If they are granted asylum, they get free transport to the UK and a big welcome at Dover. If not allowed to enter then you say "bye" to them and chuck them out the accommodation.

Any migrants arriving on a dinghy get sent back to the assessment centre in France.


That is the only way you will stop people arriving - by providing some place in France they can look to have their claims processed, along with the deterrent of knowing if you arrive in the UK without going through that assessment centre you'll be sent back to it.

You just end up with the Calais Jungle again...

[Evanivitch]

julian987R said:

blueg33 said:

julian987R said:

One installs a wide series of retractable floating stingers that would rip through a dingy. Think of it like a floating barbed wire fence.

Legitimate boats and sea craft would have a certified system that magnetically or signally pushes the stinger fully back under the water. Think of that as like a sea tax disc.

Great for kids swimming off the beach in the summer, inflatable lilo’s etc

You haven’t thought that through at all. And it wouldn’t take long for the traffickers to work out how circumvent such idiocy.

We are brainstorming. Come on. Help shape ideas, add ideas, don’t just critique.

We should help you avoid murdering people? I would hope most people would be capable of that. Please seek help.

[Evanivitch]

blueg33 said:

The old “they are criminals “ trope. Debunked so many times I can’t believe you thought it was worth mentioning!

I guess the question is how many end up involved in petty crime, illegally working and debt to criminals because of the delays in the processing and inability to work/education whilst they wait.

[Ian Geary]

Condi said:

Here's an idea, put an assessment centre on the French side of the Channel, paid for by us, whereby asylum seekers can have accommodation until a decision is made. If they are granted asylum, they get free transport to the UK and a big welcome at Dover. If not allowed to enter then you say "bye" to them and chuck them out the accommodation.

Any migrants arriving on a dinghy get sent back to the assessment centre in France.


That is the only way you will stop people arriving - by providing some place in France they can look to have their claims processed, along with the deterrent of knowing if you arrive in the UK without going through that assessment centre you'll be sent back to it.

It's a far more workable idea than many on here.
Issues

- would become a magnet, probably triggering french ire

- would accomodation be of the tent inspired flavour? Or actual walls, floor, what goes for a toilet in France?

- cost might still be cheaper than the UK, but will screw up le french local housing market. Maybe could timeshare with Belgium?

- it would be an imperative for home office to get decisions done faster of course

The main benefit is people smugglers lose cash, but I'm sure they'd still be extorting people all the way up to the point a successful asylum claim is granted (which is well over half of cases I recall).


Ultimately, western Europe enjoy a vastly higher standard of living than "the global majority". The numbers we're seeing are just a fraction of what could arise if war/climate/famine etc push large numbers of people out of where they currently exist.

[blueg33]

Evanivitch said:

blueg33 said:

The old “they are criminals “ trope. Debunked so many times I can’t believe you thought it was worth mentioning!

I guess the question is how many end up involved in petty crime, illegally working and debt to criminals because of the delays in the processing and inability to work/education whilst they wait.

Thats us turning them into criminals.

IIRC the percentage of immigrants including asylum seekers that are found to be criminals is pretty much the same as the percentage in the UK population as whole

[sugerbear]

Ian Geary said:

Condi said:

Here's an idea, put an assessment centre on the French side of the Channel, paid for by us, whereby asylum seekers can have accommodation until a decision is made. If they are granted asylum, they get free transport to the UK and a big welcome at Dover. If not allowed to enter then you say "bye" to them and chuck them out the accommodation.

Any migrants arriving on a dinghy get sent back to the assessment centre in France.


That is the only way you will stop people arriving - by providing some place in France they can look to have their claims processed, along with the deterrent of knowing if you arrive in the UK without going through that assessment centre you'll be sent back to it.

It's a far more workable idea than many on here.
Issues

- would become a magnet, probably triggering french ire

- would accomodation be of the tent inspired flavour? Or actual walls, floor, what goes for a toilet in France?

- cost might still be cheaper than the UK, but will screw up le french local housing market. Maybe could timeshare with Belgium?

- it would be an imperative for home office to get decisions done faster of course

The main benefit is people smugglers lose cash, but I'm sure they'd still be extorting people all the way up to the point a successful asylum claim is granted (which is well over half of cases I recall).


Ultimately, western Europe enjoy a vastly higher standard of living than "the global majority". The numbers we're seeing are just a fraction of what could arise if war/climate/famine etc push large numbers of people out of where they currently exist.

Ultimately the problem is brexit. Because there is now an additional country you can skip to for a second chance, so the allure of the UK has meant that a short trip to the UK is probably worth it for most failed asylum seekers. Where as brexit meant that a decision in one country was binding in all.

That is the allure of the UK. UK chose to go it alone and now has to accept the consequence of going it alone.

[ATG]

julian987R said:

Unreal said:

Torpedoes that home in on brown people, explosive swarm drones triggered by brown people, bitey sharks trained to attack inflatables containing brown people, contaminated seagulls who are trained to land on boats containing brown people. Obviously best not employed in summer as there are white people in boats who are a bit brown. Do they help?

Now you are just being silly. Seagulls can’t be trained.

Precisely. The answer is obviously trained cormorants as they can attack from below and above and have a very low, stealthy profile when sitting in the water. And they look a bit menacing. The big question is whether they'd be prepared to wear a Border Force uniform.

[julianm]

Another 500 odd yesterday - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c51wqg3x8wno