UK asylum seekers expected to be flown to Rwanda
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fly by wire said:
E63eeeeee... said:
What's shameful about saving people from drowning? That's literally what people donate to the RNLI for.
Of course some people may make their donations conditional on the lifeboat captains ceding operational decisions to random knobs on the Internet instead of for example going to the nearest port where they can safely offload a bunch of people, or the safe port that gets them operational again soonest. Perhaps you'd have them run the lifeboat up the nearest French beach and ask the migrants nicely for a push back into the sea as they get off.
What is it that makes people so arrogant that they think their views should take precedence over actual f
king lifeboat captains? Genuine question, please answer it as well as you can.
The point is that the RNLI are bringing undocumented people from French Territorial Waters into the UK, the fact that they may or may not require rescue is down to the French.Of course some people may make their donations conditional on the lifeboat captains ceding operational decisions to random knobs on the Internet instead of for example going to the nearest port where they can safely offload a bunch of people, or the safe port that gets them operational again soonest. Perhaps you'd have them run the lifeboat up the nearest French beach and ask the migrants nicely for a push back into the sea as they get off.
What is it that makes people so arrogant that they think their views should take precedence over actual f
king lifeboat captains? Genuine question, please answer it as well as you can. Is this so difficult to understand?
thead would have people drown because they were the wrong side of a line, and only a staggeringly arrogant sthead would second-guess the operational decisions of someone who volunteers their time and risks their life to stop people drowning. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/mar/23/uk...
Good to see that some French police are actually trying to make a difference.
Bravo.
Good to see that some French police are actually trying to make a difference.
Bravo.
E63eeeeee... said:
Oh, I understand your point. I just think that only a staggeringly inhumane sthead would have people drown because they were the wrong side of a line, and only a staggeringly arrogant sthead would second-guess the operational decisions of someone who volunteers their time and risks their life to stop people drowning.
No need for the abuse.thead would have people drown because they were the wrong side of a line, and only a staggeringly arrogant sthead would second-guess the operational decisions of someone who volunteers their time and risks their life to stop people drowning. It's down to the French to 'rescue' illegal undocumented individuals who have departed from their shores in flimsy unseaworthy RIBs and are in their territorial waters.
How many millions have the govt given to the French to stop this crap? The French are taking the piss (as usual) and our gutless govt do absolutely f
k all(edited to correct quoting
Edited by fly by wire on Saturday 23 March 23:29
fly by wire said:
E63eeeeee... said:
Oh, I understand your point. I just think that only a staggeringly inhumane sthead would have people drown because they were the wrong side of a line, and only a staggeringly arrogant sthead would second-guess the operational decisions of someone who volunteers their time and risks their life to stop people drowning. [/quote
No need for the abuse.
It's down to the French to 'rescue' illegal undocumented individuals who have departed from their shores in flimsy unseaworthy RIBs and are in their territorial waters.
How many millions have the govt given to the French to stop this crap? The French are taking the piss (as usual) and our gutless govt do absolutely fk all.
I mean, it only really counts as abuse if you're actually happy to see people drown, or to tell lifeboat captains what to do. In which scenario I won't really give a fthead would have people drown because they were the wrong side of a line, and only a staggeringly arrogant sthead would second-guess the operational decisions of someone who volunteers their time and risks their life to stop people drowning. [/quoteNo need for the abuse.
It's down to the French to 'rescue' illegal undocumented individuals who have departed from their shores in flimsy unseaworthy RIBs and are in their territorial waters.
How many millions have the govt given to the French to stop this crap? The French are taking the piss (as usual) and our gutless govt do absolutely f
k all.k about your feelings. And that's not how lifesaving at sea works, for incredibly obvious reasons. Maybe one day you'll be glad that's not how it works, when you think the people being saved are worth saving.
What is wrong with you?
Don't you understand the concept of borders and territorial waters?
If these people are in French territorial waters, why is the RNLI bringing them back to the UK? I have no problem with rescuing people in distress at sea, just that they are being brought from French Territorial Waters and landed in the UK.
And fix your quoting.
fly by wire said:
What is wrong with you?
Don't you understand the concept of borders and territorial waters?
If these people are in French territorial waters, why is the RNLI bringing them back to the UK? I have no problem with rescuing people in distress at sea, just that they are being brought from French Territorial Waters and landed in the UK.
And fix your quoting.
Yes, I know quite a lot about borders, as it happens, including that borders and boundaries between territorial waters are very much not the same thing. Don't you understand the concept of borders and territorial waters?
If these people are in French territorial waters, why is the RNLI bringing them back to the UK? I have no problem with rescuing people in distress at sea, just that they are being brought from French Territorial Waters and landed in the UK.
And fix your quoting.
I also know that it's up to the RNLI where they land the people they save. I don't really see what about that requires any further discussion, and you're certainly not going to persuade me that you should be the arbiter of what a lifeboat captain does, or that you've earned the right to call the RNLI shameful.
E63eeeeee... said:
Yes, I know quite a lot about borders, as it happens, including that borders and boundaries between territorial waters are very much not the same thing.
I also know that it's up to the RNLI where they land the people they save. I don't really see what about that requires any further discussion, and you're certainly not going to persuade me that you should be the arbiter of what a lifeboat captain does, or that you've earned the right to call the RNLI shameful.
I certainly do not claim to be the arbiter of what the RNLI captains do. I also know that it's up to the RNLI where they land the people they save. I don't really see what about that requires any further discussion, and you're certainly not going to persuade me that you should be the arbiter of what a lifeboat captain does, or that you've earned the right to call the RNLI shameful.
My issue is with the RNLI being a glorified taxi service for illegal migrants being transported from French Territorial Waters and being landed in the UK.
If the RNLI must be involved in rescuing these people then they should be returning them to France which is, incidentally, a safe country.
fly by wire said:
E63eeeeee... said:
Yes, I know quite a lot about borders, as it happens, including that borders and boundaries between territorial waters are very much not the same thing.
I also know that it's up to the RNLI where they land the people they save. I don't really see what about that requires any further discussion, and you're certainly not going to persuade me that you should be the arbiter of what a lifeboat captain does, or that you've earned the right to call the RNLI shameful.
I certainly do not claim to be the arbiter of what the RNLI captains do. I also know that it's up to the RNLI where they land the people they save. I don't really see what about that requires any further discussion, and you're certainly not going to persuade me that you should be the arbiter of what a lifeboat captain does, or that you've earned the right to call the RNLI shameful.
My issue is with the RNLI being a glorified taxi service for illegal migrants being transported from French Territorial Waters and being landed in the UK.
If the RNLI must be involved in rescuing these people then they should be returning them to France which is, incidentally, a safe country.
There was a whole thread on this a while back and people with your view got their arses handed to them in a plate, as they did in the media at the time.
Maybe you should revisit that thread to save reasonable people from having to educate you here.
Edited by blueg33 on Sunday 24th March 04:24
fly by wire said:
E63eeeeee... said:
Yes, I know quite a lot about borders, as it happens, including that borders and boundaries between territorial waters are very much not the same thing.
I also know that it's up to the RNLI where they land the people they save. I don't really see what about that requires any further discussion, and you're certainly not going to persuade me that you should be the arbiter of what a lifeboat captain does, or that you've earned the right to call the RNLI shameful.
I certainly do not claim to be the arbiter of what the RNLI captains do. I also know that it's up to the RNLI where they land the people they save. I don't really see what about that requires any further discussion, and you're certainly not going to persuade me that you should be the arbiter of what a lifeboat captain does, or that you've earned the right to call the RNLI shameful.
My issue is with the RNLI being a glorified taxi service for illegal migrants being transported from French Territorial Waters and being landed in the UK.
If the RNLI must be involved in rescuing these people then they should be returning them to France which is, incidentally, a safe country.
RNLI are there to save lives irregardless of who they are or how they got there. That’s their mission. End of. Its also worth noting that the French version of the RNLI is also busy in that area and do return migrants back to French shores as and when they pick them up.
You’ll no doubt claim that you’ll no longer donate to the RNLI because of this (like you ever did!) but that’s good because when ignorant people like you gain a bit of traction on social media donations increase despite your repugnant views.
fly by wire said:
E63eeeeee... said:
Yes, I know quite a lot about borders, as it happens, including that borders and boundaries between territorial waters are very much not the same thing.
I also know that it's up to the RNLI where they land the people they save. I don't really see what about that requires any further discussion, and you're certainly not going to persuade me that you should be the arbiter of what a lifeboat captain does, or that you've earned the right to call the RNLI shameful.
I certainly do not claim to be the arbiter of what the RNLI captains do. I also know that it's up to the RNLI where they land the people they save. I don't really see what about that requires any further discussion, and you're certainly not going to persuade me that you should be the arbiter of what a lifeboat captain does, or that you've earned the right to call the RNLI shameful.
My issue is with the RNLI being a glorified taxi service for illegal migrants being transported from French Territorial Waters and being landed in the UK.
If the RNLI must be involved in rescuing these people then they should be returning them to France which is, incidentally, a safe country.
272BHP said:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/mar/23/uk...
Good to see that some French police are actually trying to make a difference.
Bravo.
But did they achieve anything?Good to see that some French police are actually trying to make a difference.
Bravo.
Vipers said:
272BHP said:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/mar/23/uk...
Good to see that some French police are actually trying to make a difference.
Bravo.
But did they achieve anything?Good to see that some French police are actually trying to make a difference.
Bravo.
They've managed to make reactionaries like 272 feel a little less s
t about themselves for a few seconds...julian987R said:
Looking at that, I'm struck by two things:Really needs a no of deaths column.
Dividing the no of migrants by the no of boats results in an answer that makes the heading use of "small boats" seem inappropriate, or are we saying we are detecting migrants travelling in the equivalent of Wonder Woman's invisible jet?
Are there any estimates for what % of migrants are detected vs undetected?
xeny said:
julian987R said:
Looking at that, I'm struck by two things:Really needs a no of deaths column.
Dividing the no of migrants by the no of boats results in an answer that makes the heading use of "small boats" seem inappropriate, or are we saying we are detecting migrants travelling in the equivalent of Wonder Woman's invisible jet?
Are there any estimates for what % of migrants are detected vs undetected?
About half of asylum seekers come on the boats, iirc. With the hostile environment, there's a lot less benefit in being here clandestinely than there was in the early noughties.
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