UK asylum seekers expected to be flown to Rwanda

[chrispmartha]

crankedup5 said:

chrispmartha said:

don'tbesilly said:

I see Michael O’Leary (Ryanair) has stated he’d “happily” offer Rwandan deportation flights.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-04-24...

I bet he would, he's not daft, he'd be able to charge silly money.

That’s right, well done, it’s called business. Or are you against business as well?

Eh? I didn't make any value judgment at all.

he can do what he likes with his business.

[crankedup5]

blueg33 said:

crankedup5 said:

chrispmartha said:

don'tbesilly said:

I see Michael O’Leary (Ryanair) has stated he’d “happily” offer Rwandan deportation flights.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-04-24...

I bet he would, he's not daft, he'd be able to charge silly money.

That’s right, well done, it’s called business. Or are you against business as well?

The people traffickers run a business too. It's debateable how much difference there is between them and Ryan Air.................

I would rather invest into people trafficking myself, good returns for little capital outlay, strong customer base, no returns and no dissatisfaction bad reviews to worry over. What’s not to like, well other than the morals of course.

[crankedup5]

chrispmartha said:

crankedup5 said:

chrispmartha said:

don'tbesilly said:

I see Michael O’Leary (Ryanair) has stated he’d “happily” offer Rwandan deportation flights.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-04-24...

I bet he would, he's not daft, he'd be able to charge silly money.

That’s right, well done, it’s called business. Or are you against business as well?

Eh? I didn't make any value judgment at all.

he can do what he likes with his business.

Sensitive little soul underneath it seems, your reference to ‘charge silly money’ as if that would be somehow wrong.

[Rufus Stone]

crankedup5 said:

Sensitive little soul underneath it seems, your reference to ‘charge silly money’ as if that would be somehow wrong.

You do realise it's taxpayers money, don't you?

[turbobloke]

O'Leary has just disappointed a coterie of unelected human rights legal beagles and their unlelected high volume (noise) hangers-on in activist pressure groups.

[chrispmartha]

crankedup5 said:

chrispmartha said:

crankedup5 said:

chrispmartha said:

don'tbesilly said:

I see Michael O’Leary (Ryanair) has stated he’d “happily” offer Rwandan deportation flights.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-04-24...

I bet he would, he's not daft, he'd be able to charge silly money.

That’s right, well done, it’s called business. Or are you against business as well?

Eh? I didn't make any value judgment at all.

he can do what he likes with his business.

Sensitive little soul underneath it seems, your reference to ‘charge silly money’ as if that would be somehow wrong.

That’s your inference, if it was critical point towards anyone it would be to the government who are paying for it.

[chrispmartha]

turbobloke said:

O'Leary has just disappointed a coterie of unelected human rights legal beagles and their unlelected high volume (noise) hangers-on in activist pressure groups.

Parklife!

[119]

All are welcome, regardless of background.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-6889960...

[crankedup5]

119 said:

All are welcome, regardless of background.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-6889960...

His just misunderstood

[Vanden Saab]

LF5335 said:

You come across as someone who thinks every Channel crosser is going to Rwanda. Here’s a hint, they aren’t.

Compare the chances of dying crossing the Channel with the chances of being sent to Rwanda and then work out whether it will “kill the channel (sic) surfing process stone dead”

Strange news item. The Irish are complaining that due to Rwanda the number of illegal immigrants arriving in Ireland from the UK has rocketed.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/04/25/...

The strange parts are those saying it is not a deterrent, those saying the immigrants only want to come to the UK because of family links or something and those saying nothing will stop them.
On the plus side if many are leaving voluntarily then it will take less time to send the rest to Rwanda.
At least it is good to see the narrative has changed from it will make no difference to it will not stop it *checks notes "stone dead".

[Mr Penguin]

119 said:

All are welcome, regardless of background.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-6889960...

Why are Moroccans seeking asylum?

[Talksteer]

Vanden Saab said:

LF5335 said:

You come across as someone who thinks every Channel crosser is going to Rwanda. Here’s a hint, they aren’t.

Compare the chances of dying crossing the Channel with the chances of being sent to Rwanda and then work out whether it will “kill the channel (sic) surfing process stone dead”

Strange news item. The Irish are complaining that due to Rwanda the number of illegal immigrants arriving in Ireland from the UK has rocketed.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/04/25/...

The strange parts are those saying it is not a deterrent, those saying the immigrants only want to come to the UK because of family links or something and those saying nothing will stop them.
On the plus side if many are leaving voluntarily then it will take less time to send the rest to Rwanda.
At least it is good to see the narrative has changed from it will make no difference to it will not stop it *checks notes "stone dead".

Note that this all anecdotes with no actual numbers. It's also not being reported by any other new outlets which leads me to suspect that the story might be concocted with quotes out of context. Also note source.

There is also the possibility that asylum seekers to Ireland might be using it as a reason why they didn't start in the UK. The UK has already been ruled as "unsafe" by an Irish court due to the a Rwanda policy.

[turbobloke]

Talksteer said:

Vanden Saab said:

LF5335 said:

You come across as someone who thinks every Channel crosser is going to Rwanda. Here’s a hint, they aren’t.

Compare the chances of dying crossing the Channel with the chances of being sent to Rwanda and then work out whether it will “kill the channel (sic) surfing process stone dead”

Strange news item. The Irish are complaining that due to Rwanda the number of illegal immigrants arriving in Ireland from the UK has rocketed.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/04/25/...

The strange parts are those saying it is not a deterrent, those saying the immigrants only want to come to the UK because of family links or something and those saying nothing will stop them.
On the plus side if many are leaving voluntarily then it will take less time to send the rest to Rwanda.
At least it is good to see the narrative has changed from it will make no difference to it will not stop it *checks notes "stone dead".

Note that this all anecdotes with no actual numbers. It's also not being reported by any other new outlets which leads me to suspect that the story might be concocted with quotes out of context. Also note source.

There is also the possibility that asylum seekers to Ireland might be using it as a reason why they didn't start in the UK. The UK has already been ruled as "unsafe" by an Irish court due to the a Rwanda policy.

What I noted was that LF5335 being true to form made something up about what another PHer was supposedly coming across as, fiction, playing the man not the ball. Then the 'all going to Rwanda' piece of fiction is a strawman. Tedious and predictable post content, worse than anecdotes. The effectiveness of the Rwanda policy is as yet unknown, so the easy option is to make stuff up ^

[Vanden Saab]

Talksteer said:

Vanden Saab said:

LF5335 said:

You come across as someone who thinks every Channel crosser is going to Rwanda. Here’s a hint, they aren’t.

Compare the chances of dying crossing the Channel with the chances of being sent to Rwanda and then work out whether it will “kill the channel (sic) surfing process stone dead”

Strange news item. The Irish are complaining that due to Rwanda the number of illegal immigrants arriving in Ireland from the UK has rocketed.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/04/25/...

The strange parts are those saying it is not a deterrent, those saying the immigrants only want to come to the UK because of family links or something and those saying nothing will stop them.
On the plus side if many are leaving voluntarily then it will take less time to send the rest to Rwanda.
At least it is good to see the narrative has changed from it will make no difference to it will not stop it *checks notes "stone dead".

Note that this all anecdotes with no actual numbers. It's also not being reported by any other new outlets which leads me to suspect that the story might be concocted with quotes out of context. Also note source.

There is also the possibility that asylum seekers to Ireland might be using it as a reason why they didn't start in the UK. The UK has already been ruled as "unsafe" by an Irish court due to the a Rwanda policy.

Error ok. https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/tanaiste-miche...

He has been saying it for a while

https://www.politico.eu/article/micheal-martin-ire...

Are you suggesting the minister for Justice is lying to her own justice committee or are you just remarkably ignorant on the whole matter?
https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/social-affairs/...

link said:

More than 80 per cent of people applying for asylum in Ireland are coming from the UK over the land Border with Northern Ireland, Minister for Justice Helen McEntee has estimated.

[Vanden Saab]

Following on from the Irish problem this could get interesting.
https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/housing-plannin...

link said:

We need to have a process in place that if somebody has status in another country, this case the United Kingdom, and comes here seeking for asylum, they should be returned to Britain.

Seems like a good pressure point to encourage the French to take their refugees back. Oh wait.

link said:

Ms McEntee was asked at the Justice Committee this week – and asked again in media interviews – why only three transfer agreements out of 188 were executed between Ireland and other EU countries under the Dublin III convention (where the first receiving country agrees to take an IP applicant back from the second country they travelled to, in this case Ireland). Independent TD Michael McNamara, who asked the question, said she was not able to provide an explanation.

Ah the joys of being part of the union, the Irish expect us to take refugees back while their fellow EU countries are ignoring their obligations under an existing agreement.

Edited by Vanden Saab on Thursday 25th April 21:49

[cheesejunkie]

Vanden Saab said:

Ah the joys of being part of the union

You can moan all day but until you support an efficient system rather than one that thinks discrimination works you’re doomed to failure. Unfortunately I think some like milking the failure and playing the victim.

[crankedup5]

cheesejunkie said:

Vanden Saab said:

Ah the joys of being part of the union

You can moan all day but until you support an efficient system rather than one that thinks discrimination works you’re doomed to failure. Unfortunately I think some like milking the failure and playing the victim.

What, like remainer losers over brexit. Well done on identifying a critical point.

[johnboy1975]

Is it just me (in the "secure borders are important" camp) that thinks 6 months in a hotel / secure centre is going to be far far cheaper than the Rwanda nonsense? As such the whole "plan" is ridiculous and doomed to failure...

So the key would appear to be getting the waiting times down, rather than fannying around sending 200 people to Rwanda at the cost of £100,000s (each). And they can hardly show pictures of them being miserable in Rwanda as a deterrent, it's billed as a new start, in a swanky apartment on the good side of Town (from what I've seen). Could be a pull factor if anything

(I've asked before): what do we do with failed asylum seekers with no paperwork? Can't dump them on France, can't send them home. Presumably there's a steady stream of failed asylum seekers, even if the % being approved is high? Do they stay here in some capacity, given there appear to be zero options of getting rid?

[s1962a]

Maybe the Rwanda bill is having it's intended effect. I'm no fan of it but looks like some asylum seekers are moving onto Ireland at the threat of deportation.

https://news.sky.com/story/rwanda-bill-causing-mig...

So as with the France migrant issue, what are we going to do to help the Irish with their migration problem?

[E63eeeeee...]

Vanden Saab said:

Talksteer said:

Vanden Saab said:

LF5335 said:

You come across as someone who thinks every Channel crosser is going to Rwanda. Here’s a hint, they aren’t.

Compare the chances of dying crossing the Channel with the chances of being sent to Rwanda and then work out whether it will “kill the channel (sic) surfing process stone dead”

Strange news item. The Irish are complaining that due to Rwanda the number of illegal immigrants arriving in Ireland from the UK has rocketed.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/04/25/...

The strange parts are those saying it is not a deterrent, those saying the immigrants only want to come to the UK because of family links or something and those saying nothing will stop them.
On the plus side if many are leaving voluntarily then it will take less time to send the rest to Rwanda.
At least it is good to see the narrative has changed from it will make no difference to it will not stop it *checks notes "stone dead".

Note that this all anecdotes with no actual numbers. It's also not being reported by any other new outlets which leads me to suspect that the story might be concocted with quotes out of context. Also note source.

There is also the possibility that asylum seekers to Ireland might be using it as a reason why they didn't start in the UK. The UK has already been ruled as "unsafe" by an Irish court due to the a Rwanda policy.

Error ok. https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/tanaiste-miche...

He has been saying it for a while

https://www.politico.eu/article/micheal-martin-ire...

Are you suggesting the minister for Justice is lying to her own justice committee or are you just remarkably ignorant on the whole matter?
https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/social-affairs/...

link said:

More than 80 per cent of people applying for asylum in Ireland are coming from the UK over the land Border with Northern Ireland, Minister for Justice Helen McEntee has estimated.

I'm really not sure how related those claims are. How else would you expect asylum seekers to get to Ireland? It's not like you're going to paddle a dinghy there from France.
Presumably there's immigration checks on any England-RoI ferries, so going across to NI and then across the open land border is obviously the route with the lowest risk of being stopped before your destination.

Given the claimed purpose of Rwanda is to stop the boats, even if this is all true having some people cross anyway and then carry on to Ireland isn't really an indication that it works. Celebrating dumping our problem on our smaller neighbours instead of just processing and handling the claims is a bit of a dick move.

If the threat of Rwanda has as claimed been changing behaviour since 2022, and we've seen no meaningful reduction in boat numbers other than that driven by bad weather last year, surely that demonstrates that the reality of Rwanda is not going to move the dial on arrivals.