UK asylum seekers expected to be flown to Rwanda

[Carl_VivaEspana]

rjfp1962 said:

Ireland not prepared to be anyone's "migration loophole"!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2vw51eggwqo

Beautiful

The Left will eat itself.

[Ridgemont]

E63eeeeee... said:

272BHP said:

E63eeeeee... said:

This is typical bullst. They wouldn't be returns from the EU, Ireland's non-EEA migration policies are nothing to do with the EU. We decided to leave Dublin and not negotiate a replacement. What we're apparently saying is we're happy to fk over our closest neighbours to try to get back at an entirely different country rather than work together to come up with a reasonable solution. It's like being ruled by fking toddlers, and clowns supporting it as if it's clever rhetoric should be ashamed.

Who are the toddlers though?

The Irish High Court ruled last month that Britain is now an unsafe country for migrants and barred their legal return.

Nonsense like that has come back to bite them pretty hard real quick.

The UK high court also ruled that Rwanda was unsafe. It's unsafe. That's just a finding of fact, by two senior courts. If you're so desperate to see some migrants punished that you can't see you're being played, despite all these clues, I suspect you must be one of the toddlers.

So ROI will now pass a law that says the UK is a safe place to return to despite higher court ruling?

This all sounds dreadfully familiar…

[E63eeeeee...]

Ridgemont said:

E63eeeeee... said:

272BHP said:

E63eeeeee... said:

This is typical bullst. They wouldn't be returns from the EU, Ireland's non-EEA migration policies are nothing to do with the EU. We decided to leave Dublin and not negotiate a replacement. What we're apparently saying is we're happy to fk over our closest neighbours to try to get back at an entirely different country rather than work together to come up with a reasonable solution. It's like being ruled by fking toddlers, and clowns supporting it as if it's clever rhetoric should be ashamed.

Who are the toddlers though?

The Irish High Court ruled last month that Britain is now an unsafe country for migrants and barred their legal return.

Nonsense like that has come back to bite them pretty hard real quick.

The UK high court also ruled that Rwanda was unsafe. It's unsafe. That's just a finding of fact, by two senior courts. If you're so desperate to see some migrants punished that you can't see you're being played, despite all these clues, I suspect you must be one of the toddlers.

So ROI will now pass a law that says the UK is a safe place to return to despite higher court ruling?

This all sounds dreadfully familiar…

Insanity is contagious.

[E63eeeeee...]

Carl_VivaEspana said:

rjfp1962 said:

Ireland not prepared to be anyone's "migration loophole"!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2vw51eggwqo

Beautiful

The Left will eat itself.

Tell us you know nothing about Irish politics without telling us...

Really not sure where "The Left" is in any of this. Which of those committed communists Harris, Sunak and Macron do you think is "The Left" in this situation? Batst.

[Mr Penguin]

Most Western countries are trying to limit the number of people they accept, so it is no surprise that Ireland are doing the same.

[Police State]

crankedup5 said:

Is there a new war going down in Vietnam? Why are some Vietnamese now joining the Calais queue for a boat to U.K. ?

Because if they get caught, the Home office will give per person £3k to fly home. If they avoid detection, they get a relatively lucrative income working a cannabis farm. They are currently the largest national group of channel crossers.

[Vanden Saab]

Ridgemont said:

E63eeeeee... said:

272BHP said:

E63eeeeee... said:

This is typical bullst. They wouldn't be returns from the EU, Ireland's non-EEA migration policies are nothing to do with the EU. We decided to leave Dublin and not negotiate a replacement. What we're apparently saying is we're happy to fk over our closest neighbours to try to get back at an entirely different country rather than work together to come up with a reasonable solution. It's like being ruled by fking toddlers, and clowns supporting it as if it's clever rhetoric should be ashamed.

Who are the toddlers though?

The Irish High Court ruled last month that Britain is now an unsafe country for migrants and barred their legal return.

Nonsense like that has come back to bite them pretty hard real quick.

The UK high court also ruled that Rwanda was unsafe. It's unsafe. That's just a finding of fact, by two senior courts. If you're so desperate to see some migrants punished that you can't see you're being played, despite all these clues, I suspect you must be one of the toddlers.

So ROI will now pass a law that says the UK is a safe place to return to despite higher court ruling?

This all sounds dreadfully familiar…

The question is whether Ireland have the political clout to persuade France to do what they should have done all along and take straight back those who are making the trip. Ireland can make all the laws it likes but if the UK follow France's lead and say not our problem we have seen there is nothing they can do. You have to admire those saying it was not France's problem doing a screaming 180 though now the roles are reversed.
As for the Dublin agreement I think it was 8 people Ireland were able to send back last year. So that is a resounding success and something we should definitely
not have left.

[Kowalski655]

Police State said:

crankedup5 said:

Is there a new war going down in Vietnam? Why are some Vietnamese now joining the Calais queue for a boat to U.K. ?

Because if they get caught, the Home office will give per person £3k to fly home. If they avoid detection, they get a relatively lucrative income working a cannabis farm. They are currently the largest national group of channel crossers.

Most Vietnamese are trafficked, you get the odd political or religious case but most aren't.
They don't get a lucrative wage working in the dope farm, it goes to the organisers while they get treated as slaves

[blueg33]

Police State said:

Because if they get caught, the Home office will give per person £3k to fly home. If they avoid detection, they get a relatively lucrative income working a cannabis farm. They are currently the largest national group of channel crossers.

I am not at all convinced that Vietnamese being trafficked are getting a lucrative income working on a cannabis farm. Strikes me as much more likely that they will be used a slave labour, living in horrible conditions and ill treated by the gangmasters/slavers/criminals

[ChocolateFrog]

I can't be tbe only one enjoying the delicious irony that the EU wants to send migrants back to the UK.

Big old ROFL on that one.

[President Merkin]

You should probably familiarise yourself with the concept of third countries.

[Rufus Stone]

ChocolateFrog said:

I can't be tbe only one enjoying the delicious irony that the EU wants to send migrants back to the UK.

Big old ROFL on that one.

Look out for a hard border between Ireland and Northern Ireland.

[Mortarboard]

Rufus Stone said:

ChocolateFrog said:

I can't be tbe only one enjoying the delicious irony that the EU wants to send migrants back to the UK.

Big old ROFL on that one.

Look out for a hard border between Ireland and Northern Ireland.

That's an even bigger rofl if you think that'll happen.

You be glad to hear the bus fare to Belfast is cheaper than a flight to Rwanda.



M.

[sugerbear]

Vanden Saab said:

Ridgemont said:

E63eeeeee... said:

272BHP said:

E63eeeeee... said:

This is typical bullst. They wouldn't be returns from the EU, Ireland's non-EEA migration policies are nothing to do with the EU. We decided to leave Dublin and not negotiate a replacement. What we're apparently saying is we're happy to fk over our closest neighbours to try to get back at an entirely different country rather than work together to come up with a reasonable solution. It's like being ruled by fking toddlers, and clowns supporting it as if it's clever rhetoric should be ashamed.

Who are the toddlers though?

The Irish High Court ruled last month that Britain is now an unsafe country for migrants and barred their legal return.

Nonsense like that has come back to bite them pretty hard real quick.

The UK high court also ruled that Rwanda was unsafe. It's unsafe. That's just a finding of fact, by two senior courts. If you're so desperate to see some migrants punished that you can't see you're being played, despite all these clues, I suspect you must be one of the toddlers.

So ROI will now pass a law that says the UK is a safe place to return to despite higher court ruling?

This all sounds dreadfully familiar…

The question is whether Ireland have the political clout to persuade France to do what they should have done all along and take straight back those who are making the trip. Ireland can make all the laws it likes but if the UK follow France's lead and say not our problem we have seen there is nothing they can do. You have to admire those saying it was not France's problem doing a screaming 180 though now the roles are reversed.
As for the Dublin agreement I think it was 8 people Ireland were able to send back last year. So that is a resounding success and something we should definitely
not have left.

I dont think you have really though this one through.

If the UK want's to play silly buggers with Ireland then it is much more likely that France will refuse to police beaches were boats are being launched. It could be really childlike and encourage the opening / sale of speed boats in certain strategic locations. The French are much more likley to side with Ireland in any fight with the UK, they might also start to play silly buggers with imports into the EU as well, extra checks and so on.

This is the problem when you dont play grown up politics.

[Carl_VivaEspana]

E63eeeeee... said:

Tell us you know nothing about Irish politics without telling us...

Really not sure where "The Left" is in any of this. Which of those committed communists Harris, Sunak and Macron do you think is "The Left" in this situation? Batst.

The politicians are not the total extent of the problem, once the education and legal systems become infected (as they have done) its the judiciary, lawyers and activists that are doing the heavy lifting.......

[President Merkin]

Ridgemont said:

So ROI will now pass a law that says the UK is a safe place to return to despite higher court ruling?

This all sounds dreadfully familiar…

Enjoying the implicit admission in this.

[Murph7355]

E63eeeeee... said:

Insanity is contagious.

I guess the only point of debate is "who is typhoid Mary".

It is proof positive that politicians on all sides are fkwits. But the delicious irony of Ireland's comment given the situation with France remains delicious, childish or not.

I agree, we should ALL get round the table and sort this properly. How likely do you think that is (across all sides of the divides)?

[Murph7355]

Mortarboard said:

That's an even bigger rofl if you think that'll happen.

You be glad to hear the bus fare to Belfast is cheaper than a flight to Rwanda.



M.

It would appear some are finding the bus fare to Dublin cheaper still

[Murph7355]

President Merkin said:

Ridgemont said:

So ROI will now pass a law that says the UK is a safe place to return to despite higher court ruling?

This all sounds dreadfully familiar…

Enjoying the implicit admission in this.

As ever on these topics, both ways it seems.

[Murph7355]

E63eeeeee... said:

Tell us you know nothing about Irish politics without telling us...

Really not sure where "The Left" is in any of this. Which of those committed communists Harris, Sunak and Macron do you think is "The Left" in this situation? Batst.

I think in your hurry to lambast you are missing the point.

It is "the left" who are perceived to white Knight continually on this issue, saying how wrong it is of the UK to want to send seekers back to the safe countries they came from... Only to have Ireland want to do the same. (The same perceived "left" who seem to be the most vocal on EU topics and generally believe the EU to be saintly... Perception is a weird thing... Both ways).

It's nothing to do with current Govts.

But as noted, it highlights that all politicians are dross and none will initiate sensible dialogue and solutions on this. From any quarter.