UK asylum seekers expected to be flown to Rwanda

[heebeegeetee]

I agree that the likelihood is the Vietnamese are being trafficked here to be used as slave labour, effectively or otherwise.

It's great that we've taken back control, isn't it?

Could it be the reality doesn't match the promises.

[Police State]

blueg33 said:

Police State said:

Because if they get caught, the Home office will give per person £3k to fly home. If they avoid detection, they get a relatively lucrative income working a cannabis farm. They are currently the largest national group of channel crossers.

I am not at all convinced that Vietnamese being trafficked are getting a lucrative income working on a cannabis farm. Strikes me as much more likely that they will be used a slave labour, living in horrible conditions and ill treated by the gangmasters/slavers/criminals

relatively

[President Merkin]

Murph7355 said:

President Merkin said:

Ridgemont said:

So ROI will now pass a law that says the UK is a safe place to return to despite higher court ruling?

This all sounds dreadfully familiar…

Enjoying the implicit admission in this.

As ever on these topics, both ways it seems.

I'd like to think you're smarter than that response implies & you understand very well what I'm referring to,

[heebeegeetee]

Police State said:

blueg33 said:

Police State said:

Because if they get caught, the Home office will give per person £3k to fly home. If they avoid detection, they get a relatively lucrative income working a cannabis farm. They are currently the largest national group of channel crossers.

I am not at all convinced that Vietnamese being trafficked are getting a lucrative income working on a cannabis farm. Strikes me as much more likely that they will be used a slave labour, living in horrible conditions and ill treated by the gangmasters/slavers/criminals

relatively

I doubt it very much. Either way, they'll have no control over their lives whatsoever.

Maybe some money will be sent home to family, maybe it won't, either way what are the trafficked going to do about it?

ETA: I do think the middle classes should stop doing drugs though. The circumstances surrounding the journey of those drugs ain't cool.

[Murph7355]

President Merkin said:

Murph7355 said:

President Merkin said:

Ridgemont said:

So ROI will now pass a law that says the UK is a safe place to return to despite higher court ruling?

This all sounds dreadfully familiar…

Enjoying the implicit admission in this.

As ever on these topics, both ways it seems.

I'd like to think you're smarter than that response implies & you understand very well what I'm referring to,

I understand your posts perfectly well.

[ChocolateFrog]

Irish woman on R5L this morning was saying that a large percentage of migrants to Ireland simply fly in and then bin their passport and claim asylum.

If it's as easy as that the system really is broken.

[blueg33]

heebeegeetee said:

Police State said:

blueg33 said:

Police State said:

Because if they get caught, the Home office will give per person £3k to fly home. If they avoid detection, they get a relatively lucrative income working a cannabis farm. They are currently the largest national group of channel crossers.

I am not at all convinced that Vietnamese being trafficked are getting a lucrative income working on a cannabis farm. Strikes me as much more likely that they will be used a slave labour, living in horrible conditions and ill treated by the gangmasters/slavers/criminals

relatively

I doubt it very much. Either way, they'll have no control over their lives whatsoever.

Maybe some money will be sent home to family, maybe it won't, either way what are the trafficked going to do about it?

ETA: I do think the middle classes should stop doing drugs though. The circumstances surrounding the journey of those drugs ain't cool.

Totally agree. I suspect most people that use things like cannabis don't consider this at all. Mind you those with electric cars are frequently oblivious to the environmental and slave labour impacts they have

[JagLover]

heebeegeetee said:

ETA: I do think the middle classes should stop doing drugs though. The circumstances surrounding the journey of those drugs ain't cool.

Prohibition does not work.

If it is a reasonably safe and popular drug then it will prove as successful as the American attempt to ban alcohol. Not to say Cannabis is fully safe of course, but then neither is alcohol.

[blueg33]

JagLover said:

heebeegeetee said:

ETA: I do think the middle classes should stop doing drugs though. The circumstances surrounding the journey of those drugs ain't cool.

Prohibition does not work.

If it is a reasonably safe and popular drug then it will prove as successful as the American attempt to ban alcohol. Not to say Cannabis is fully safe of course, but then neither is alcohol.

The case for legalising cannabis is reasonably compelling IMO, but there is no doubt it can be damaging and the tax base for it would have to more than cover its costs to the NHS and mental health services etc.

[PRTVR]

With Ireland the traffic has been in the reverse in the past, I was chatting to a Turkish guy in a pizza place, he said getting citizenship in Ireland was easy and then he could legally come to the UK.

[E63eeeeee...]

ChocolateFrog said:

Irish woman on R5L this morning was saying that a large percentage of migrants to Ireland simply fly in and then bin their passport and claim asylum.

If it's as easy as that the system really is broken.

Given we've just had it reported that 80% cross the land border, I don't see that both claims can be true.

[sugerbear]

ChocolateFrog said:

Irish woman on R5L this morning was saying that a large percentage of migrants to Ireland simply fly in and then bin their passport and claim asylum.

If it's as easy as that the system really is broken.

Sounds like BS to me.

[E63eeeeee...]

Murph7355 said:

E63eeeeee... said:

Tell us you know nothing about Irish politics without telling us...

Really not sure where "The Left" is in any of this. Which of those committed communists Harris, Sunak and Macron do you think is "The Left" in this situation? Batst.

I think in your hurry to lambast you are missing the point.

It is "the left" who are perceived to white Knight continually on this issue, saying how wrong it is of the UK to want to send seekers back to the safe countries they came from... Only to have Ireland want to do the same. (The same perceived "left" who seem to be the most vocal on EU topics and generally believe the EU to be saintly... Perception is a weird thing... Both ways).

It's nothing to do with current Govts.

But as noted, it highlights that all politicians are dross and none will initiate sensible dialogue and solutions on this. From any quarter.

Pretty much none of that is accurate. "The left" broadly wanted to stay in the EU, whereby it was straightforward and effective to send people back to the first European country they arrived in. As far as I know, nobody objects to sensible returns agreements. It was "the right" who fked this all up by taking us out of the EU *and* starving our own system of resources at the same time. By the end of the noughties it was working pretty well, and thence it gradually collapsed. The evidence of the last 25 years suggests that in the UK at least, "the left" is far more effective at managing immigration than "the right".

[Mr Penguin]

Sending them back to the first EU country they arrived in also isn't sustainable because the countries on the Southern and Eastern edges of the EU will be overwhelmed.

[E63eeeeee...]

ChocolateFrog said:

I can't be tbe only one enjoying the delicious irony that the EU wants to send migrants back to the UK.

Big old ROFL on that one.

You can pick yourself up off the floor. The EU doesn't have any say in Ireland's non-EEA migration policies. This is purely about us being dicks to our closest neighbours.

[E63eeeeee...]

Mr Penguin said:

Sending them back to the first EU country they arrived in also isn't sustainable because the countries on the Southern and Eastern edges of the EU will be overwhelmed.

Hence the newly agreed EU asylum scheme.

[ChocolateFrog]

E63eeeeee... said:

ChocolateFrog said:

I can't be tbe only one enjoying the delicious irony that the EU wants to send migrants back to the UK.

Big old ROFL on that one.

You can pick yourself up off the floor. The EU doesn't have any say in Ireland's non-EEA migration policies. This is purely about us being dicks to our closest neighbours.

Sounds a lot like semantics from over here in the UK.

[E63eeeeee...]

Mortarboard said:

Rufus Stone said:

ChocolateFrog said:

I can't be tbe only one enjoying the delicious irony that the EU wants to send migrants back to the UK.

Big old ROFL on that one.

Look out for a hard border between Ireland and Northern Ireland.

That's an even bigger rofl if you think that'll happen.

You be glad to hear the bus fare to Belfast is cheaper than a flight to Rwanda.



M.

I'd agree, but I am wondering if this might actually be a nudge towards a reunification poll. We can't control our borders because of this big open border, would be much easier if this island was just one country.

[E63eeeeee...]

ChocolateFrog said:

E63eeeeee... said:

ChocolateFrog said:

I can't be tbe only one enjoying the delicious irony that the EU wants to send migrants back to the UK.

Big old ROFL on that one.

You can pick yourself up off the floor. The EU doesn't have any say in Ireland's non-EEA migration policies. This is purely about us being dicks to our closest neighbours.

Sounds a lot like semantics from over here in the UK.

Sounds like ignorance to this part of the UK, but you crack on talking about things you don't understand. It's what the internet is for.

[don'tbesilly]

E63eeeeee... said:

ChocolateFrog said:

Irish woman on R5L this morning was saying that a large percentage of migrants to Ireland simply fly in and then bin their passport and claim asylum.

If it's as easy as that the system really is broken.

Given we've just had it reported that 80% cross the land border, I don't see that both claims can be true.

It can’t possibly be true…

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2022/10/06/thou...