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EddieSteadyGo said:

mko9 said:

Hey, the article says several people were impacted

I'm sure they will be very angry though.... they are getting the opportunity to buy their new truck for circa $100k even though they are selling at auction for circa $250k.

Presumably being bought at auction by the same demographic that is buying DJT stock.

[EddieSteadyGo]

hidetheelephants said:

Presumably being bought at auction by the same demographic that is buying DJT stock.

I don't follow much follow DJT share price. It seems to move like a kite in the wind. And probably has about as much intrinsic value.

[rscott]

EddieSteadyGo said:

Byker28i said:

Getting reported lots now
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/04/tesla-stops-c...

That seems to be saying the "delay" will be until the 20th April i.e. 5 days? Is that really news?

Did you watch the video showing how the pedal failed - https://www.tiktok.com/@el.chepito1985/video/73577...

The metal pedal trim slid off, jamming the throttle down.


The other thread linked to - https://www.cybertruckownersclub.com/forum/threads... - is hilarious for the lengths the Tesla fanboys on there go to in order to protect the brand. First they accuse him of making it up, then claims of paid anti-Tesla shills before finally deciding it must have been user error.

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All ignoring the fact Tesla halted production - which they presumably did because - paid shills?

[EddieSteadyGo]

rscott said:

Did you watch the video showing how the pedal failed - https://www.tiktok.com/@el.chepito1985/video/73577...

The metal pedal trim slid off, jamming the throttle down.


The other thread linked to - https://www.cybertruckownersclub.com/forum/threads... - is hilarious for the lengths the Tesla fanboys on there go to in order to protect the brand. First they accuse him of making it up, then claims of paid anti-Tesla shills before finally deciding it must have been user error.

I did see the video. I still can't see what the fuss is about. Some guy has an accident in his car and says it wasn't his fault. He claims the accelerator pressed down on its own and the brake didn't work. Examples of this previously have been shown to be user error, but who knows at this stage. Either way, the guy with the damaged car says after the accident "im in love with the truck still even with this problem, im down for them to give me a new truck." They will have the video of the accident and the telemetry so they should be able to figure what happened.

The other video shows the pedal trim coming lose, but that guy didn't have an accident and he says the brake did work.

Even assuming the worst, and it is a design fault, I doubt it will take long to fix. I don't believe they have built many trucks yet either, so even if there is a recall, the current fleet size is small.

In terms of demand, if cars are selling at auction for well over double their original price, it suggests people still want them.

[dobbo_]

He didn't say the accelerator pressed itself and he didn't say the brake didn't work but otherwise good analysis

If you genuinely did watch the video and that was your takeaway then wow

[EddieSteadyGo]

dobbo_ said:

He didn't say the accelerator pressed itself and he didn't say the brake didn't work but otherwise good analysis

If you genuinely did watch the video and that was your takeaway then wow

That part of my comment was referring to the thread, not the video.

[dobbo_]

EddieSteadyGo said:

That part of my comment was referring to the thread, not the video.

"He claims the accelerator pressed down on its own and the brake didn't work"

Your words. He didn't claim either of those things? Did you watch the video?

[EddieSteadyGo]

dobbo_ said:

"He claims the accelerator pressed down on its own and the brake didn't work"

Your words. He didn't claim either of those things? Did you watch the video?

I was referring to "Edjcyberbeast". That should have been obvious when I also quoted him in the same paragraph saying ""im in love with the truck still even with this problem, im down for them to give me a new truck". The detail of his accident was in the thread. He also didn't know why it happened and Tesla are investigating.

The video was a different incident, but it could be reason for Edjcyberbeast's crash.

[dobbo_]

EddieSteadyGo said:

I was referring to "Edjcyberbeast".

That was not clear because:

EddieSteadyGo said:

I did see the video. I still can't see what the fuss is about. Some guy has an accident in his car and says it wasn't his fault. He claims the accelerator pressed down on its own and the brake didn't work..

As far as I can see there is no video of the "Edjcyberbeast" incident. There is a video, however, which you said you saw, and referenced before your comments.

You can see how it would be reasonable to interpret you were referring to the video, based on what you wrote?

[EddieSteadyGo]

dobbo_ said:

As far as I can see there is no video of the "Edjcyberbeast" incident. There is a video, however, which you said you saw, and referenced before your comments.

You can see how it would be reasonable to interpret you were referring to the video, based on what you wrote?

Maybe. I watched the video of the stuck throttle, and then read a few pages of the accident reported on the thread (which seemed to be more serious) and wrote my view. I think if you had read the accident thread (in addition to watching the video, which I know you did watch) I think you would have realised what I was referring to. And if you didn't think my sentence was clear you could have perhaps have said so a little more politely, rather than going in with the "wow", "your words" stuff, but heyho.

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EddieSteadyGo said:

I did see the video. I still can't see what the fuss is about. Some guy has an accident in his car and says it wasn't his fault. He claims the accelerator pressed down on its own and the brake didn't work. Examples of this previously have been shown to be user error, but who knows at this stage. Either way, the guy with the damaged car says after the accident "im in love with the truck still even with this problem, im down for them to give me a new truck." They will have the video of the accident and the telemetry so they should be able to figure what happened.

Toyota got screwed over something similar previously. Ok, so that situation was handled badly, hushed up and didnt address all of the issues, but it still ended up badly for Toyota. Some people still believe that their Prius cars have sudden unintended acceleration, even if they changed the floor mats! I am guessing someone from legal at Tesla got involved and decided to get ahead of the issue before it becomes a bigger one - given that the Cybertruck is all over the news and the internet, it makes sense to deal with this now while the number of vehicles is very manageable. But the final outcome, if not dealt with could be a lot worse.

EddieSteadyGo said:

The other video shows the pedal trim coming lose, but that guy didn't have an accident and he says the brake did work.

Even assuming the worst, and it is a design fault, I doubt it will take long to fix. I don't believe they have built many trucks yet either, so even if there is a recall, the current fleet size is small.

With the Prius it was a badly fitting floor mat that had to be dislodged to cause that issue - so I guess anything has a potential here? I would suggest that both of these are not significant issues and not really fundamental issues with the vehicle (design fault or not). But hey, its the land of the court case, so probably a good idea to get ahead of it.

EddieSteadyGo said:

In terms of demand, if cars are selling at auction for well over double their original price, it suggests people still want them.

Seen a few on the roads around California and I have to say that their drivers need to figure out how to drive and park them! Its not as if its some sort of super huge thing.... anyway, I digress - yes, they are in demand but the pricing seems to be all over the place. Yes, a couple were sold for $240k and $262k respectively, but there were also unsold ones at auction too. A quick check of Autotrader for CA and I can see a bunch for sale, but almost all with a "Reduced Price" indicator! Some chancers are trying for $180k+, but there are a bunch for sale (with the same mileage or less) for $140k.

I think its safe to say that their prices are 'variable' and anyone taking a jump now needs to understand that they may be paying well over the going price just to get one, and that they are unlikely to get close to what they paid for it come trade in. But to be fair, the same could be said for the G-wagen 12 months ago - those things were just crazy and now are much more 'reasonable'....if you could ever call a G-wagen reasonable that is.

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dobbo_ said:

All ignoring the fact Tesla halted production - which they presumably did because - paid shills?

But there is a lot of evidence that certain states and regions are being prioritized for deliveries for the Cybertruck. California and certain parts of Texas are getting deliveries very quickly and a lot of people are jumping the queue! I think its in an effort to keep the truck in the public view by selling to the type of person who will ensure it gets seen - a lot.

Its pretty short sighted in my opinion, but to be fair other manufacturers have pulled similar tricks in the past. It just seems to be a little more obvious in this situation.

[EddieSteadyGo]

off_again said:

Interesting stuff

Agree with your comments. I've not seen one in real-life, but they reportedly get a lot of attention? TBH I think anyone paying $250k for a truck as a status symbol is crazy. In 18-24 months, when production is fully up to speed, and when the cheaper variants are out, all that premium and more will have long gone.

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EddieSteadyGo said:

I've not seen one in real-life, but they reportedly get a lot of attention?

Its weird and I am not sure if I quite understand it yet. To add a little context - I live in in the countryside here in California and its fair to say that you either drive a pick-up (ranchers) or you are a retiree (and drive an old Toyota!). Ok, so a vast oversimplification, but it suits for my needs - and there are 2 Cybertrucks here..... this is really not the region that I expected to see any as your average pickup driver actually uses theirs - towing, hauling etc. Not sure the Cybertruck fits that.

Then there are the buyers who can afford it who want a status symbol - San Francisco, Bay Area and Sacramento region. See a handful, if not more, and almost all have been wrapped. Ranging from totally blacked out to spangly colors. Again, I am not quite understanding the buyer here too. Seen a few totally blacked out ones (with illegal window tints by the way) as if to 'hide' what it is. But its such a stand-out vehicle, you arent going to hide it. Why bother? And yes, it gets a LOT of attention. I'll use an example of one parked at SFO - everyone stopped, pointed and stared. Those driving past slowed and stopped to get a closer look. Yes, they get a LOT of attention.

Oh, and given that California gets a lot of sun, I am really not sure that the standard stainless steel body is ideal. Your average car gets super hot in summer and I can only imagine how bad the Cybertruck is going to be. A lot of owners are going to get a lot of burns in the coming months.

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[rscott]

EddieSteadyGo said:

off_again said:

Interesting stuff

Agree with your comments. I've not seen one in real-life, but they reportedly get a lot of attention? TBH I think anyone paying $250k for a truck as a status symbol is crazy. In 18-24 months, when production is fully up to speed, and when the cheaper variants are out, all that premium and more will have long gone.

There's also the regular random price changes by Tesla which can seriously impact the resale price of the vehicle.

[Byker28i]

Former Tesla engineer Cristina Balan is a single mother, currently in remission from breast cancer, and she’s been locked in a ten year legal battle with her ex employer, sacked after being a whistleblower about braking issues.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cg3q95ednqwo

[rscott]

EddieSteadyGo said:

dobbo_ said:

As far as I can see there is no video of the "Edjcyberbeast" incident. There is a video, however, which you said you saw, and referenced before your comments.

You can see how it would be reasonable to interpret you were referring to the video, based on what you wrote?

Maybe. I watched the video of the stuck throttle, and then read a few pages of the accident reported on the thread (which seemed to be more serious) and wrote my view. I think if you had read the accident thread (in addition to watching the video, which I know you did watch) I think you would have realised what I was referring to. And if you didn't think my sentence was clear you could have perhaps have said so a little more politely, rather than going in with the "wow", "your words" stuff, but heyho.

Follow up to the stuck throttle video - he's posted another showing how easily the pedal can slide up and get stuck...
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGeHANHPA/

Pretty shoddy design by Tesla.

[Byker28i]

Is that it? Almost looks like two little hooks, needs some glue?