Liz Truss Prime Minister

[S600BSB]

Good discussion on the latest The Rest is Politics about the worst post-war PM - Boris by a fag paper over Truss. That’s the Tory legacy!

Ps, Atlee or Macmillan best.

[hidetheelephants]

S600BSB said:

Good discussion on the latest The Rest is Politics about the worst post-war PM - Boris by a fag paper over Truss. That’s the Tory legacy!

Ps, Atlee or Macmillan best.

It's an obvious point but Supermac, Atlee and others in the post war era left office having made the lives of britons measurably much better; going from perhaps a prefab lacking an inside toilet and cycling to work in 1954 to living in a fully plumbed house or flat with consumer goods like a refrigerator and a washing machine and going to work on a motorbike or even a car in 1964, or introducing universal healthcare with the NHS.

[S600BSB]

hidetheelephants said:

S600BSB said:

Good discussion on the latest The Rest is Politics about the worst post-war PM - Boris by a fag paper over Truss. That’s the Tory legacy!

Ps, Atlee or Macmillan best.

It's an obvious point but Supermac, Atlee and others in the post war era left office having made the lives of britons measurably much better; going from perhaps a prefab lacking an inside toilet and cycling to work in 1954 to living in a fully plumbed house or flat with consumer goods like a refrigerator and a washing machine and going to work on a motorbike or even a car in 1964, or introducing universal healthcare with the NHS.

It’s a very good point that the chaps also made on the pod - not so easy today to make that kind of seismic improvement. But I guess that means you should try even harder not to completely fk up as per Boris and Truss!

[Carl_VivaEspana]

bhstewie said:

I don't know why you're bringing Corbyn into the man is completely unfit for public life and public office.

Because, if I draw another parallel, you post regularly on a platform and share a platform with people you agree with on some issues but disagree on others. By interacting with them, you can debate them and quite possibly, change their views.

It's fairly easy to debate down people with extreme views, the challenge is not the debate, its actually getting them to debate, getting them to the point where they will accept interaction with someone else that has different viewpoints is the first step to change.

You accept interaction on a platform with people who's views you regularly find in conflict to your own. Does that make you just like them, automatically by association? No, it does not.

And that's the problem with modern discourse, the infantalisation of debate is actually making radicalisation to extremist views more possible due to detachment.

[Seasonal Hero]

Carl_VivaEspana said:

the infantalisation of debate is actually making radicalisation to extremist views more possible due to detachment.

You mean like claiming that Bannon's economic ideas were a) sensible and b) now being implemented by Biden?

[Carl_VivaEspana]

Tom Harris writes in the Telegraph:

"Intriguingly, not only is Reeves inviting speculation that she will be Thatcherite in her economic outlook, but she also seems not to care that a more recent Conservative hate figure (why do Labour have so many “hate” figures, by the way, when their political opponents prefer to settle for people with whom they disagree?) might now be invoked.

It was Liz Truss, prime minister number four in a series of five since 2016, who stole a march on Reeves by demanding that all of the government’s efforts be focused on generating economic growth. "

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/19/labour...

[julian987R]

Carl_VivaEspana said:

Tom Harris writes in the Telegraph:

"Intriguingly, not only is Reeves inviting speculation that she will be Thatcherite in her economic outlook, but she also seems not to care that a more recent Conservative hate figure (why do Labour have so many “hate” figures, by the way, when their political opponents prefer to settle for people with whom they disagree?) might now be invoked.

It was Liz Truss, prime minister number four in a series of five since 2016, who stole a march on Reeves by demanding that all of the government’s efforts be focused on generating economic growth. "

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/19/labour...

Liz was 100% right….and now Labour are stealing her policies.
Is it me or are Labour more like the Tories than the Tories themselves?

[Killboy]

Carl_VivaEspana said:

Tom Harris writes in the Telegraph:

"Intriguingly, not only is Reeves inviting speculation that she will be Thatcherite in her economic outlook, but she also seems not to care that a more recent Conservative hate figure (why do Labour have so many “hate” figures, by the way, when their political opponents prefer to settle for people with whom they disagree?) might now be invoked.

It was Liz Truss, prime minister number four in a series of five since 2016, who stole a march on Reeves by demanding that all of the government’s efforts be focused on generating economic growth. "

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/19/labour...

What an image to use.

[julian987R]

Killboy said:

What an image to use.

Seems apt for the clown world we now live in.

[James6112]

julian987R said:

Liz was 100% right….and now Labour are stealing her policies.
Is it me or are Labour more like the Tories than the Tories themselves?

It’s only you

[Gecko1978]

James6112 said:

julian987R said:

Liz was 100% right….and now Labour are stealing her policies.
Is it me or are Labour more like the Tories than the Tories themselves?

It’s only you

yeah after Juian suggesting killing prisoners I kind of think bot or mental or both

[nickfrog]

julian987R said:

Seems apt for the clown world we now live in.

You're leading that particular rise.

[nickfrog]

Gecko1978 said:

yeah after Juian suggesting killing prisoners I kind of think bot or mental or both

Attention seeking mostly I think.

[julian987R]

nickfrog said:

Attention seeking mostly I think.

I bring a fresh perspective, speak for the silent majority and challenge the zeitgeist - you'd all be stuck on the Brexit Thread part 99 or discussing the reliability of Fiats.

[nickfrog]

Shouty minority.

[Seasonal Hero]

julian987R said:

I bring a fresh perspective, speak for the silent majority and challenge the zeitgeist - you'd all be stuck on the Brexit Thread part 99 or discussing the reliability of Fiats.

You talk absolute bks.

[DMN]

nickfrog said:

Shouty minority.

The mental few.

[Carl_VivaEspana]

Seasonal Hero said:

Carl_VivaEspana said:

the infantalisation of debate is actually making radicalisation to extremist views more possible due to detachment.

You mean like claiming that Bannon's economic ideas were a) sensible and b) now being implemented by Biden?

The only economic policy left on the table by the Biden administration versus Bannons plan was a reduction of coal imports by approving new production. Biden did not sign that part of the agreement. Biker has posted a graph in the U.S election thread that actually states coal production has increased a fair amount under the Biden administration despite that. Actually, the graphs Biker posted indicate that pretty much everything has increased under the Biden administration, oil, gas, output , across all metrics. And the building of new facilities has not completed yet and won't complete for years.

The problem is not the policy, the problem is that the messaging was wrong.

Bringing it back to Truss, yes her economic policies will be fringe, only 3% of British working adults pay the 45p rate, for example. An even smaller percentage were caught by IR35 and an even smaller percentage work as wealth creators in the city of London.

look at the economic damage (which is now visible) versus, the U.S.A. In ten years from now, if no corrective measures are taken the U.K won't be recognisable economically to the USA, London wont be competing with New York, it will be competing with the second tier cities economically , it's barely clinging on as it is.

[Carl_VivaEspana]

Economic Nationalism = Dead <> Inflation Reduction Act = Alive

Trussonomics = Dead <> 'Securonomics' = About to be implemented? <> Inflation Reduction Act <> Economic Nationalism ?

Rachel Reeves, Washington DC Speech Transcript. March 2023.

https://labour.org.uk/updates/press-releases/rache...

"With Labour, Britain will embrace ‘securonomics’."

"Rebuilding the industrial foundations that we have lost and which has left us exposed to global shocks, investing in the industries and technologies that will determine our future economic success and building financial security in each and every household in Britain. "

"Throughout, we will use public investment to underpin and unlock further private investment, just as the Inflation Reduction Act and the CHIPS Act have done here."

"A modern supply side approach in Britain would see us rebuild our industrial strength. "

"This is a new multilateralism, without the excesses of hyper globalisation. This is the promise of securonomics. "

Rachel Reeves Mais Lecture 2024.

https://labour.org.uk/updates/press-releases/rache...

"Securonomics advances not the big state but the smart and strategic state."

"Working together to form an assessment of the industries which will be critical in determining our future – across our broad based services strengths and our manufacturing specialisms, and being strategic about our real choices and our limits."

"As we did at the end of the 1970s, we stand at an inflection point. And as in earlier decades, the solution lies in wide-ranging supply-side reform, to drive investment, remove the barriers constraining our productive capacity, and fashion a new economic settlement, drawing on evolutions in economic thought. A new chapter in Britain’s economic history. And unlike the 1980s, growth in the years to come must be broad-based, inclusive, and resilient."

[Gecko1978]

Carl_VivaEspana said:

Economic Nationalism = Dead <> Inflation Reduction Act = Alive

Trussonomics = Dead <> 'Securonomics' = About to be implemented? <> Inflation Reduction Act <> Economic Nationalism ?

Rachel Reeves, Washington DC Speech Transcript. March 2023.

https://labour.org.uk/updates/press-releases/rache...

"With Labour, Britain will embrace ‘securonomics’."

"Rebuilding the industrial foundations that we have lost and which has left us exposed to global shocks, investing in the industries and technologies that will determine our future economic success and building financial security in each and every household in Britain. "

"Throughout, we will use public investment to underpin and unlock further private investment, just as the Inflation Reduction Act and the CHIPS Act have done here."

"A modern supply side approach in Britain would see us rebuild our industrial strength. "

"This is a new multilateralism, without the excesses of hyper globalisation. This is the promise of securonomics. "

Rachel Reeves Mais Lecture 2024.

https://labour.org.uk/updates/press-releases/rache...

"Securonomics advances not the big state but the smart and strategic state."

"Working together to form an assessment of the industries which will be critical in determining our future – across our broad based services strengths and our manufacturing specialisms, and being strategic about our real choices and our limits."

"As we did at the end of the 1970s, we stand at an inflection point. And as in earlier decades, the solution lies in wide-ranging supply-side reform, to drive investment, remove the barriers constraining our productive capacity, and fashion a new economic settlement, drawing on evolutions in economic thought. A new chapter in Britain’s economic history. And unlike the 1980s, growth in the years to come must be broad-based, inclusive, and resilient."

So they are going to spend more....