Liz Truss Prime Minister
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(almost) three pages of ranting about Liz and no alternative ideas that are better other than tax , spend and mass immigration.
This is why the UK economy is on the trajectory it is. Bring on the election so I can have a good laugh at all the additional regulation Team Red are going to apply.
This is why the UK economy is on the trajectory it is. Bring on the election so I can have a good laugh at all the additional regulation Team Red are going to apply.
Garvin said:
Like her or loathe her, Truss appears to be the only UK politician with any ideas, the current PM and Leader of the Opposition being spectacularly bland and clueless by comparison. Despite her downfall people are still talking about her - witness the MSM articles and this thread.
However, instead of discussing those ideas and supporting/destroying them with logic and fact we just have detractors playing the approach of name calling and applying labels to anyone who sees any merit in the ideas “nutters” and the like. This is, of course, just a sad attempt to shut down debate by those who actually support the toxic cancel culture that pervades society these days.
Whatever happened to sunlight being the best disinfectant?
Um....it shows that being utterly shameless and no self awareness whatsoever means you're impregnable to sunlight? However, instead of discussing those ideas and supporting/destroying them with logic and fact we just have detractors playing the approach of name calling and applying labels to anyone who sees any merit in the ideas “nutters” and the like. This is, of course, just a sad attempt to shut down debate by those who actually support the toxic cancel culture that pervades society these days.
Whatever happened to sunlight being the best disinfectant?
Carl_VivaEspana said:
(almost) three pages of ranting about Liz and no alternative ideas that are better other than tax , spend and mass immigration.
This is why the UK economy is on the trajectory it is. Bring on the election so I can have a good laugh at all the additional regulation Team Red are going to apply.
I'm sure the trajectory in your alternative world of - attempt to (robotically) speak with great conviction about 'growth', issuing a heap more debt assuming this 'growth' will pay for it somehow and just hoping the grand plan all comes together will be a lot better.....This is why the UK economy is on the trajectory it is. Bring on the election so I can have a good laugh at all the additional regulation Team Red are going to apply.
Edited by isaldiri on Tuesday 16th April 08:38
Countdown said:
Garvin said:
Like her or loathe her, Truss appears to be the only UK politician with any ideas, the current PM and Leader of the Opposition being spectacularly bland and clueless by comparison. Despite her downfall people are still talking about her - witness the MSM articles and this thread.
However, instead of discussing those ideas and supporting/destroying them with logic and fact we just have detractors playing the approach of name calling and applying labels to anyone who sees any merit in the ideas “nutters” and the like. This is, of course, just a sad attempt to shut down debate by those who actually support the toxic cancel culture that pervades society these days.
Whatever happened to sunlight being the best disinfectant?
It was the sunlight exposing her stupidity and arrogance that resulted in her tenure being so short. And all her actions since then have highlighted how completely unfit for office she is.However, instead of discussing those ideas and supporting/destroying them with logic and fact we just have detractors playing the approach of name calling and applying labels to anyone who sees any merit in the ideas “nutters” and the like. This is, of course, just a sad attempt to shut down debate by those who actually support the toxic cancel culture that pervades society these days.
Whatever happened to sunlight being the best disinfectant?
She's always been an utter fruitloop.....I don't even know how she was able to become a MP let alone a minister, let alone PM.
Its no wonder poor old HMQ finally checked out when she had to accept Truss as new PM, after all the PM's she'd seen through her reign......Truss was the last straw.
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hstewie said:
hstewie said:Garvin said:
Like her or loathe her, Truss appears to be the only UK politician with any ideas, the current PM and Leader of the Opposition being spectacularly bland and clueless by comparison. Despite her downfall people are still talking about her - witness the MSM articles and this thread.
However, instead of discussing those ideas and supporting/destroying them with logic and fact we just have detractors playing the approach of name calling and applying labels to anyone who sees any merit in the ideas “nutters” and the like. This is, of course, just a sad attempt to shut down debate by those who actually support the toxic cancel culture that pervades society these days.
Whatever happened to sunlight being the best disinfectant?
I kind of agree with the sunlight comment but in this case she's been hanging around with one convicted criminal whilst he calls another convicted criminal a "hero" as well as single headedly having seen billions wiped off peoples pensions.However, instead of discussing those ideas and supporting/destroying them with logic and fact we just have detractors playing the approach of name calling and applying labels to anyone who sees any merit in the ideas “nutters” and the like. This is, of course, just a sad attempt to shut down debate by those who actually support the toxic cancel culture that pervades society these days.
Whatever happened to sunlight being the best disinfectant?
You're quite right we shouldn't be talking about her but for some reason the Conservative Party don't seem capable of standing up to the likes of her and Braverman and Johnson and telling them to simply "shut up and go away" as they are doing their already slim electoral chances more harm than good.
If you're Sunak right now you're not looking at Truss and thinking we should listen because not to do so would be endorsing cancel culture.
You're literally thinking "please just stop".
Take Trump as an example. Do any of his detractors ever wonder why he enjoys such continued popularity and support? Do they ever try and analyse which people support him and why? Could it possibly be that some of his ideas and objectives have merit to a large proportion of society even if his methods of achieving them are, like Truss, somewhat extreme/OTT if not downright distasteful?
There is, I feel, much to be learned from the reactions to Truss and Trump and to just consign them as “loons” without understanding why they attract so much attention is somewhat dangerous as it just ignores the thoughts/wishes of great swathes of society. This, to me, is the great failure of the politics in both the US and UK at the moment. The Truss/Trump approach to implementation of their politics may not be a sensible one but it doesn’t mean that just abusing them and being binary about them means they will go away.
Like that sticky toffee paper they will remain difficult to discard unless and until at least some of their ideas are tackled in a somewhat more sensible and acceptable way to dilute/steal the support for them as individuals.
aeropilot said:
Countdown said:
Garvin said:
Like her or loathe her, Truss appears to be the only UK politician with any ideas, the current PM and Leader of the Opposition being spectacularly bland and clueless by comparison. Despite her downfall people are still talking about her - witness the MSM articles and this thread.
However, instead of discussing those ideas and supporting/destroying them with logic and fact we just have detractors playing the approach of name calling and applying labels to anyone who sees any merit in the ideas “nutters” and the like. This is, of course, just a sad attempt to shut down debate by those who actually support the toxic cancel culture that pervades society these days.
Whatever happened to sunlight being the best disinfectant?
It was the sunlight exposing her stupidity and arrogance that resulted in her tenure being so short. And all her actions since then have highlighted how completely unfit for office she is.However, instead of discussing those ideas and supporting/destroying them with logic and fact we just have detractors playing the approach of name calling and applying labels to anyone who sees any merit in the ideas “nutters” and the like. This is, of course, just a sad attempt to shut down debate by those who actually support the toxic cancel culture that pervades society these days.
Whatever happened to sunlight being the best disinfectant?
She's always been an utter fruitloop.....I don't even know how she was able to become a MP let alone a minister, let alone PM.
Its no wonder poor old HMQ finally checked out when she had to accept Truss as new PM, after all the PM's she'd seen through her reign......Truss was the last straw.
aeropilot said:
Indeed.
She's always been an utter fruitloop.....I don't even know how she was able to become a MP let alone a minister, let alone PM.
Its no wonder poor old HMQ finally checked out when she had to accept Truss as new PM, after all the PM's she'd seen through her reign......Truss was the last straw.
George Osborne says she never used to be like this so presumably she was good and sane at one point, embarrassing speeches aside. She's always been an utter fruitloop.....I don't even know how she was able to become a MP let alone a minister, let alone PM.
Its no wonder poor old HMQ finally checked out when she had to accept Truss as new PM, after all the PM's she'd seen through her reign......Truss was the last straw.
Garvin said:
There is, I feel, much to be learned from the reactions to Truss and Trump and to just consign them as “loons” without understanding why they attract so much attention is somewhat dangerous as it just ignores the thoughts/wishes of great swathes of society.
Fair play, you've gone from this is all just an attemtp to shut down debate to trying to stand up your views. Obvs, that shows no one is trying to shut down debate, which undermins that line of thought but never nind that.On the main point you're getting at here, the reasons behind Trumopo are welk understood & not especially contentious. They take in populism, which you can characterise as attempts to appeal to ordinary people & the mechanism by which Trump & no end of others do that is a mix of boiling down complex problems to over simplified answers, lies, creating targets & victims, pitting people against one another, demonising institutions for political gain and so on.
If you think that approach deserves a place in public discourse, then you're in more of a minority than you realise & wholly ignorant of world history. And Trump I would remind you has never won a popular vote. Irrespective of how USA elections hinge on key states, facts are the majority see through him. Truss was never elected & that's all anyone needs to know about her.
Mr Penguin said:
George Osborne says she never used to be like this so presumably she was good and sane at one point, embarrassing speeches aside.
I think the embarrassing speeches are a good example. The delivery was toe curlingly cringeworthy but the underlying messages, lost in the incompetent delivery, had some merit!Mr Penguin said:
aeropilot said:
Indeed.
She's always been an utter fruitloop.....I don't even know how she was able to become a MP let alone a minister, let alone PM.
Its no wonder poor old HMQ finally checked out when she had to accept Truss as new PM, after all the PM's she'd seen through her reign......Truss was the last straw.
George Osborne says she never used to be like this so presumably she was good and sane at one point, embarrassing speeches aside. She's always been an utter fruitloop.....I don't even know how she was able to become a MP let alone a minister, let alone PM.
Its no wonder poor old HMQ finally checked out when she had to accept Truss as new PM, after all the PM's she'd seen through her reign......Truss was the last straw.
If Truss was so sure of her polices, she should have gone to a General Election, put them in her manifesto and campaigned on them.
The impact on the UK population, who had no say in the matter, was huge, and she has the audacity to complain about how the system is undemocratic!
A sensible leader would have allowed the economy to stabilise; post covid and with inflation ticking up. Instead, she implemented shock and awe and her beloved markets handed her her arse on a plate.
Mr Penguin said:
aeropilot said:
Indeed.
She's always been an utter fruitloop.....I don't even know how she was able to become a MP let alone a minister, let alone PM.
Its no wonder poor old HMQ finally checked out when she had to accept Truss as new PM, after all the PM's she'd seen through her reign......Truss was the last straw.
George Osborne says she never used to be like this so presumably she was good and sane at one point, embarrassing speeches aside. She's always been an utter fruitloop.....I don't even know how she was able to become a MP let alone a minister, let alone PM.
Its no wonder poor old HMQ finally checked out when she had to accept Truss as new PM, after all the PM's she'd seen through her reign......Truss was the last straw.
Not really one for the ‘centrist dad/the rest is politics’ type view of the world but if you want a chuckle read Rory Stewart’s ‘politics on the edge’.
Lizz Truss was his boss at one stage and she was/is quite obviously a certifiable loon.
It’s a shame really as her assessment of various policy proposals to address where the country is isn’t totally wrong, however unlike her heroine Thatcher, she had not an nth of the political nous needed to carry forward that agenda.
Lizz Truss was his boss at one stage and she was/is quite obviously a certifiable loon.
It’s a shame really as her assessment of various policy proposals to address where the country is isn’t totally wrong, however unlike her heroine Thatcher, she had not an nth of the political nous needed to carry forward that agenda.
Ridgemont said:
..but if you want a chuckle read Rory Stewart’s ‘politics on the edge’.
Lizz Truss was his boss at one stage and she was/is quite obviously a certifiable loon..
"Back in London, Liz Truss asked me how my weekend had been. I explained my father had died. She paused for a moment, nodded & then asked when the 25 year environment plan would be ready".Lizz Truss was his boss at one stage and she was/is quite obviously a certifiable loon..
She doesn't really have all four tyres on the ground.
Garvin said:
Like her or loathe her, Truss appears to be the only UK politician with any ideas, the current PM and Leader of the Opposition being spectacularly bland and clueless by comparison. Despite her downfall people are still talking about her - witness the MSM articles and this thread.
However, instead of discussing those ideas and supporting/destroying them with logic and fact we just have detractors playing the approach of name calling and applying labels to anyone who sees any merit in the ideas “nutters” and the like. This is, of course, just a sad attempt to shut down debate by those who actually support the toxic cancel culture that pervades society these days.
Whatever happened to sunlight being the best disinfectant?
Just because somebody has "ideas" doesn't mean they are any good.However, instead of discussing those ideas and supporting/destroying them with logic and fact we just have detractors playing the approach of name calling and applying labels to anyone who sees any merit in the ideas “nutters” and the like. This is, of course, just a sad attempt to shut down debate by those who actually support the toxic cancel culture that pervades society these days.
Whatever happened to sunlight being the best disinfectant?
I can think of lots of crazy people who held "ideas".
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