Liz Truss Prime Minister

[Eric Mc]

President Merkin said:

"Back in London, Liz Truss asked me how my weekend had been. I explained my father had died. She paused for a moment, nodded & then asked when the 25 year environment plan would be ready".

She doesn't really have all four tyres on the ground.

She does exhibit quite a few autistic signs to be honest.

[Killboy]

Garvin said:

However, instead of discussing those ideas and supporting/destroying them with logic

I think her ideas have been thoroughly tested.

[p1stonhead]

Killboy said:

Garvin said:

However, instead of discussing those ideas and supporting/destroying them with logic

I think her ideas have been thoroughly tested.

This is what I don’t get with the loons that still think she had a point.

Her and her idiot chancellor DID enact what they wanted to. It was a disaster.

They act like she was sacked before she had a chance to do anything.

[isaldiri]

Garvin said:

I think the problem, which is becoming almost a pandemic these days, is a very binary approach to politics - ‘you’re either with us or against us’ with nothing in the middle - black or white only and no grey area in between.

Equally, you are attempting to just cherry pick some bits out of all the rest out of the more zany pitch and choosing to ignore that the overall approach is er.. . still loony.

Take Truss for example, it's all good and sensible to want higher growth and productivity coupled with lower taxes but if the way to get there entails issuing a whole shedload of debt and then accusing anyone in the debt capital markets that you are dependent to fund that shortfall as being part of 'the deep state/international finance that is bent on thwarting her' when they balk at it, well I don't think it's unfair to call that approach loony.

And fwiw I think you do Trump a large disservice to compare him to Truss. He can and has very effectively tapped into a lot of underlying dissatisfaction with the status quo. Truss on the other hand has got a lot of fawning from some of the right wing papers and fringe tory elements but pretty much nothing else....

[Bill]

768 said:

Garvin said:

I think the embarrassing speeches are a good example. The delivery was toe curlingly cringeworthy but the underlying messages, lost in the incompetent delivery, had some merit!

Wrong way around to be successful in this day and age.

Unlike all those uninspiring but successful leaders in the past?

It says something about the quality of Tufton Street's ideas that the best they could do as figurehead was Truss...

[Gecko1978]

isaldiri said:

I'm sure the trajectory in your alternative world of - attempt to (robotically) speak with great conviction about 'growth', issuing a heap more debt assuming this 'growth' will pay for it somehow and just hoping the grand plan all comes together will be a lot better.....

Edited by isaldiri on Tuesday 16th April 08:38

I think you miss the point. We have tried tax and spend, and look where we are a failing NHS, poor growth, weak military and a reliance on immigration. We never tried Trussenomics mostly because the markets balked. But you have to wonder how carrying on with same policy is anything more than a slow death.

[Gecko1978]

Bill said:

768 said:

Garvin said:

I think the embarrassing speeches are a good example. The delivery was toe curlingly cringeworthy but the underlying messages, lost in the incompetent delivery, had some merit!

Wrong way around to be successful in this day and age.

Unlike all those uninspiring but successful leaders in the past?

It says something about the quality of Tufton Street's ideas that the best they could do as figurehead was Truss...

I think the leader was supposed to be Mourdant but Rishi schemed to get Truss in thinking party were with him. They are not.

[Garvin]

Eric Mc said:

Just because somebody has "ideas" doesn't mean they are any good.

I can think of lots of crazy people who held "ideas".

Obviously, but which of Truss' ideas are good and which are bad and why?

[isaldiri]

Gecko1978 said:

isaldiri said:

I'm sure the trajectory in your alternative world of - attempt to (robotically) speak with great conviction about 'growth', issuing a heap more debt assuming this 'growth' will pay for it somehow and just hoping the grand plan all comes together will be a lot better.....

Edited by isaldiri on Tuesday 16th April 08:38

I think you miss the point. We have tried tax and spend, and look where we are a failing NHS, poor growth, weak military and a reliance on immigration. We never tried Trussenomics mostly because the markets balked. But you have to wonder how carrying on with same policy is anything more than a slow death.

as compared to a fast death if your currency collapses and the country runs out of money? well........ neither are good options but the latter seems to be somewhat worse.

[p1stonhead]

Garvin said:

Eric Mc said:

Just because somebody has "ideas" doesn't mean they are any good.

I can think of lots of crazy people who held "ideas".

Obviously, but which of Truss' ideas are good and which are bad and why?

Let’s start with the ones she implemented were bad according to the world economy and those who deal with managing risk within it.

What’s your list of ‘good’?

[Gecko1978]

isaldiri said:

Gecko1978 said:

isaldiri said:

I'm sure the trajectory in your alternative world of - attempt to (robotically) speak with great conviction about 'growth', issuing a heap more debt assuming this 'growth' will pay for it somehow and just hoping the grand plan all comes together will be a lot better.....

Edited by isaldiri on Tuesday 16th April 08:38

I think you miss the point. We have tried tax and spend, and look where we are a failing NHS, poor growth, weak military and a reliance on immigration. We never tried Trussenomics mostly because the markets balked. But you have to wonder how carrying on with same policy is anything more than a slow death.

as compared to a fast death if your currency collapses and the country runs out of money? well........ neither are good options but the latter seems to be somewhat worse.

So you agree they are both bad but what are ok with one being bad so we never try anything else.

That is the point Tax and spend isn't working. So what can we do, clearly Truss approach is not acceptable so what then?

I am actually not sure why we don't scale back some services and privatise some parts of the NHS like European nations or New Zealand

[Prolex-UK]

President Merkin said:

Ridgemont said:

..but if you want a chuckle read Rory Stewart’s ‘politics on the edge’.
Lizz Truss was his boss at one stage and she was/is quite obviously a certifiable loon..

"Back in London, Liz Truss asked me how my weekend had been. I explained my father had died. She paused for a moment, nodded & then asked when the 25 year environment plan would be ready".

She doesn't really have all four tyres on the ground.

When she said he had to cut expenditure by 20% and rory complained so she teduced the % as she liked him....

Not sure on %s

[isaldiri]

Gecko1978 said:

So you agree they are both bad but what are ok with one being bad so we never try anything else.

That is the point Tax and spend isn't working. So what can we do, clearly Truss approach is not acceptable so what then?

I am actually not sure why we don't scale back some services and privatise some parts of the NHS like European nations or New Zealand

I'm pointing out that what clearly didn't work is announcing that you wish to issue a ton of debt with no idea beyond hoping somehow for 'growth' that will definitely happen (for whatever reason) will pay for it. That was rather blatantly stupid. The discussion about the merits of tax and spend and/or scaling back services etc is a totally different point to manifest financial illiteracy which tends to be a bad thing for governments.

[Eric Mc]

Garvin said:

Eric Mc said:

Just because somebody has "ideas" doesn't mean they are any good.

I can think of lots of crazy people who held "ideas".

Obviously, but which of Truss' ideas are good and which are bad and why?

Effectively, none of them.

Nothing was thought through properly. She is a self serving, very odd person with a complete lack of self awareness. The fact that she ever got anywhere near the leadership of a main political party indicates to me the complete bereftness of quality, thoughtful and intelligent people in modern British politics.

[captain_cynic]

Eric Mc said:

She does exhibit quite a few autistic signs to be honest.

Please don't confuse narcissistic or antisocial personality disorders with autism.

[Mr Penguin]

Prolex-UK said:

When she said he had to cut expenditure by 20% and rory complained so she teduced the % as she liked him....

Not sure on %s

Not necessarily a bad idea to aim for 10%, initially ask for 20% but then appear to have given them something and get 15%.
Rory Stewart doesn't strike me as a good politician either and Alastair Campbell runs rings around him all the time.

[Baroque attacks]

captain_cynic said:

Eric Mc said:

She does exhibit quite a few autistic signs to be honest.

Please don't confuse narcissistic or antisocial personality disorders with autism.

Yeah, quite an odd observation there.

[RC1807]

Baroque attacks said:

captain_cynic said:

Eric Mc said:

She does exhibit quite a few autistic signs to be honest.

Please don't confuse narcissistic or antisocial personality disorders with autism.

Yeah, quite an odd observation there.

It isn’t autism.
She’s a sociopathic narcissist.

Seeing her on BBC News at Ten last night. Quite astonishing.
She loves Trump and wants him to be the next US President. She sees him like her, and that’s all you need to know.

[captain_cynic]

Baroque attacks said:

captain_cynic said:

Eric Mc said:

She does exhibit quite a few autistic signs to be honest.

Please don't confuse narcissistic or antisocial personality disorders with autism.

Yeah, quite an odd observation there.

I kind of understand that people unfamiliar with autism can get confused.

Autistic people tend to get unusually stressed by social situations which can provoke a fight or flight response (usually the flight response) which to the unaware can appear similar to an antisocial personality disorder (sociopathy).

I just think people should be more aware of the distinction and not put down deliberate antisocial behaviours to autism.

[smn159]

Why is it that the champions of the right these days are all such absolute fk witted clowns?