Liz Truss Prime Minister
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I rather enjoyed the interview in the sense of these usually being in the frame of "if I were PM I'd.... " and there's rarely chance to challenge it. For Liz though, you have the unique ability to say "you were, and it was an unmitigated disaster entirely of your own making." What on earth she thinks she has to add to the debate I have as much idea as she has credibility.
Perhaps she gave us quite a lot of insight into her character when she explained her parents were Labour and then throughout the interview used the word "lefty" in a very judgemental binary (and PH) manner.
I bet her parents must be delighted. If you're going to rebel, at least do it properly.
I bet her parents must be delighted. If you're going to rebel, at least do it properly.
Byker28i said:
As said way back when she was running for PM, my wife had worked with her when she was the parliamentary under-secretary of state for childcare and education from 2012 to 2014. She used others ideas and presented them as her own, was keen to tread on anyone to work her way upwards and didn't mind who, or what career she left in her wake. It was all about promoting Truss. My wife hadn't any positives to say about her.
Not many of her constituency have many positives to say about her.......Invisible MP - but then again she doesn't need to work for her constituency as a drunk pig on a skateboard wearing a blue rosette would get voted in here - that may well be what happened but I don't remember the skateboard..........
Durzel said:
I actually wish I had her level of self-delusion. I suffer from imposter syndrome sometimes, but in her case she did have the highest position in the land and was an unmitigated disaster from start to finish. How does she manage to convince herself that she was undermined?
Persecutory delusionObsessed with negativity, prone to hallucination, problems formulating cohererent thoughts, no social life, mood swings, disinterested and often acts on impulse.
Nah none of that fits..............
Carl_VivaEspana said:
(almost) three pages of ranting about Liz and no alternative ideas that are better other than tax , spend and mass immigration.
This is why the UK economy is on the trajectory it is. Bring on the election so I can have a good laugh at all the additional regulation Team Red are going to apply.
Because the low tax experiment has failed. Our enormous backlog of spending requires high taxes to remain, and then continue so we can have the standard of services and government that we want.This is why the UK economy is on the trajectory it is. Bring on the election so I can have a good laugh at all the additional regulation Team Red are going to apply.
Even the USA has been more expensive to operate in than the UK!
skwdenyer said:
Carl_VivaEspana said:
(almost) three pages of ranting about Liz and no alternative ideas that are better other than tax , spend and mass immigration.
This is why the UK economy is on the trajectory it is. Bring on the election so I can have a good laugh at all the additional regulation Team Red are going to apply.
Because the low tax experiment has failed. Our enormous backlog of spending requires high taxes to remain, and then continue so we can have the standard of services and government that we want.This is why the UK economy is on the trajectory it is. Bring on the election so I can have a good laugh at all the additional regulation Team Red are going to apply.
Even the USA has been more expensive to operate in than the UK!
skwdenyer said:
Because the low tax experiment has failed. Our enormous backlog of spending requires high taxes to remain, and then continue so we can have the standard of services and government that we want.
What low tax experiment?Taxes are at a post war high as a percentage of GDP and taxes on high earners can reach some very high marginal rates.
skwdenyer said:
Carl_VivaEspana said:
(almost) three pages of ranting about Liz and no alternative ideas that are better other than tax , spend and mass immigration.
This is why the UK economy is on the trajectory it is. Bring on the election so I can have a good laugh at all the additional regulation Team Red are going to apply.
Because the low tax experiment has failed. Our enormous backlog of spending requires high taxes to remain, and then continue so we can have the standard of services and government that we want.This is why the UK economy is on the trajectory it is. Bring on the election so I can have a good laugh at all the additional regulation Team Red are going to apply.
Even the USA has been more expensive to operate in than the UK!
Its also not the right conversation. The real conversation should be about evaluating the gap between the level of services we think we are entitled to and that which we can afford/are prepared to pay for; and how we can close it.
The reason the gap exists is on the one hand the workforce is unproductive and on the other it doesn't like paying tax because it doesn't think it can see the benefits of it.
Whats also missing from the "just raise tax" argument is any acknowledgment that there might be a huge issue with what's done with the money that's allready being raised. That goes back to accountability of / from the public sector and their blatant disregard and dislike for it.
More tax is not the answer and never has been, ever, anywhere. Just throwing more money at an already inefficient and wasteful public sector that is subject to minimall (if any) jeopardy and benefits from gold plated, diamond encusted final salary pension shemes, the likes of which are completely unaffordable elsewhere will not solve anything.
paulguitar said:
Wombat3 said:
Its quite amusing that you think that the workshy UK electorate
Most people I know work really hard.b
hstewie said:
hstewie said: Oh everyone is workshy.
Except Wombat3 of course.
I try not to work too hard at all, but then I've put myself in the position of not having to any more Except Wombat3 of course.
Indeed shortly I shall likely decide not to carry on working at all, and I am some way off state pension age - and I've never worked in the public sector.However, I have relatives that do work there in different areas and the common thread from all of them is the number of people they come across who are quite literally stealing a living - I suspect that one or two of those I know are really not that industrious either BTW!,
Either that or people that are utterly crap at what they do and can't or won't ever be managed out of an organisation because Union, because poor management etc etc. That and people who have been wildly over-promoted.
This country is beset by poorly run organisations in many other spheres as well, the levels of customer service we get from some major institutions (banks, insurance companies etc etc) are equally atrocious. But they at least have the jeopardy that their customers can go elsewhere if they choose.
But all that goes back to what I said, we have to have a better conversation about the gap between the public services we seem to think we are entitled to and those that we can afford or are prepared to pay for. That and do something about getting more value for the vast amounts of taxation that we already raise and spend.
Anyone that thinks that just putting a tick in a different box on the ballot paper or raising a few extra billion quid via taxation is going to fix things is not really understanding the depth of the underlying malaise IMO.
Wombat3 said:
Good for you, I see plenty that don't - starting with members of the PCS union that seem to think that a significantly shorter working week + a 15% pay rise with a minimum of 35 days holiday a year and a 25% + employer pension contribution (whilst still refusing to go back to an office when required to do so) is working hard.
You do bang on a lot about the civil service! Did you by any chance fail the entrance exams as a much younger man? p1stonhead said:
The utter entitlement that ‘I was born to rule’ runs so strong with these Tory psychopaths.
Any rational person who screwed up so badly would never come out from hiding ever again. She’s on some sort of victory lap.
Agreed, the woman has no shame. The party got her in and the party got her out, she had her chance and blew it spectacularly. Just stay on the back benches and keep your gob shut.Any rational person who screwed up so badly would never come out from hiding ever again. She’s on some sort of victory lap.
Killboy said:
Truss's first thought of "Why me? Why now?" on hearing of the death of the Queen is pretty revealing of her character IMOWombat3 said:
skwdenyer said:
Carl_VivaEspana said:
(almost) three pages of ranting about Liz and no alternative ideas that are better other than tax , spend and mass immigration.
This is why the UK economy is on the trajectory it is. Bring on the election so I can have a good laugh at all the additional regulation Team Red are going to apply.
Because the low tax experiment has failed. Our enormous backlog of spending requires high taxes to remain, and then continue so we can have the standard of services and government that we want.This is why the UK economy is on the trajectory it is. Bring on the election so I can have a good laugh at all the additional regulation Team Red are going to apply.
Even the USA has been more expensive to operate in than the UK!
Its also not the right conversation. The real conversation should be about evaluating the gap between the level of services we think we are entitled to and that which we can afford/are prepared to pay for; and how we can close it.
The reason the gap exists is on the one hand the workforce is unproductive and on the other it doesn't like paying tax because it doesn't think it can see the benefits of it.
Whats also missing from the "just raise tax" argument is any acknowledgment that there might be a huge issue with what's done with the money that's allready being raised. That goes back to accountability of / from the public sector and their blatant disregard and dislike for it.
More tax is not the answer and never has been, ever, anywhere. Just throwing more money at an already inefficient and wasteful public sector that is subject to minimall (if any) jeopardy and benefits from gold plated, diamond encusted final salary pension shemes, the likes of which are completely unaffordable elsewhere will not solve anything.
S600BSB said:
Wombat3 said:
Good for you, I see plenty that don't - starting with members of the PCS union that seem to think that a significantly shorter working week + a 15% pay rise with a minimum of 35 days holiday a year and a 25% + employer pension contribution (whilst still refusing to go back to an office when required to do so) is working hard.
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