Liz Truss Prime Minister
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macron said:
Simply superb ninepoint2 said:
macron said:
Simply superb Mr Penguin said:
I think Truss is a lot worse than Boris for this. Boris does have some basic beliefs and I think his many positions are loosely tied to those. Truss just says anything that comes to mind and takes positions that can't work together.
A principled monkey stays in the same tree. Boris will stay in his tree and the ones next to it. Truss will go to any forest in the world.
apart from a belief in breeding ever more kids and being a obnoxious entitled prat, exactly what beliefs do you think Johnson have?A principled monkey stays in the same tree. Boris will stay in his tree and the ones next to it. Truss will go to any forest in the world.
isaldiri said:
Mr Penguin said:
I think Truss is a lot worse than Boris for this. Boris does have some basic beliefs and I think his many positions are loosely tied to those. Truss just says anything that comes to mind and takes positions that can't work together.
A principled monkey stays in the same tree. Boris will stay in his tree and the ones next to it. Truss will go to any forest in the world.
apart from a belief in breeding ever more kids and being a obnoxious entitled prat, exactly what beliefs do you think Johnson have?A principled monkey stays in the same tree. Boris will stay in his tree and the ones next to it. Truss will go to any forest in the world.
isaldiri said:
apart from a belief in breeding ever more kids and being a obnoxious entitled prat, exactly what beliefs do you think Johnson have?
I think he is genuinely a One Nation Tory, somewhere on the left of the Conservatives and believes in more personal freedoms (conveniently) and wants to reduce taxes. Most of his positions (aside from Brexit which I don't think he wanted) have been within that vague group.vaud said:
S600BSB said:
Not a good look to put the proverbial boot into Truss. Woman is clearly ill.
The Guardian has some very good journalists, especially investigative (one of the last papers to do decent investigative journalism in my view) but John Grace isn't even in the top 75%...
I'm talking about John Crace btw.
Edited by Riff Raff on Sunday 21st April 16:54
macron said:
A less jovial review in The Times has a few choice quotes:“It merely resurrects memories of the sheer silliness of her photo-flash-brief premiership”
“There is a cornucopia of riches for parody here”
“She did not seem terribly bright and had an almost deranged sense of self worth”
Riff Raff said:
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I'm talking about John Crace btw.
His work should be celebrated, like all art. I'm talking about John Crace btw.
The harder part is for the politicians to articulate and implement a strategy for growth.
The vilification of those that propose doing that (creating growth) is an interesting one because the next government will either need to cut spending, raise taxes or, both as the avenue for tax cuts and de-regulation has now been cut off due to the public humiliation of Truss.
Labour won't re-regulate anything, there will be more regulations.
And off we continue down the helter skelter of an ever increasing state and how to feed the bills it creates whilst companies and those who can flee for the hills.
Carl_VivaEspana said:
His work should be celebrated, like all art.
The harder part is for the politicians to articulate and implement a strategy for growth.
The vilification of those that propose doing that (creating growth) is an interesting one because the next government will either need to cut spending, raise taxes or, both as the avenue for tax cuts and de-regulation has now been cut off due to the public humiliation of Truss.
Labour won't re-regulate anything, there will be more regulations.
And off we continue down the helter skelter of an ever increasing state and how to feed the bills it creates whilst companies and those who can flee for the hills.
Have I missed people vilifying growth? The harder part is for the politicians to articulate and implement a strategy for growth.
The vilification of those that propose doing that (creating growth) is an interesting one because the next government will either need to cut spending, raise taxes or, both as the avenue for tax cuts and de-regulation has now been cut off due to the public humiliation of Truss.
Labour won't re-regulate anything, there will be more regulations.
And off we continue down the helter skelter of an ever increasing state and how to feed the bills it creates whilst companies and those who can flee for the hills.
Carl_VivaEspana said:
His work should be celebrated, like all art.
The harder part is for the politicians to articulate and implement a strategy for growth.
The vilification of those that propose doing that (creating growth) is an interesting one because the next government will either need to cut spending, raise taxes or, both as the avenue for tax cuts and de-regulation has now been cut off due to the public humiliation of Truss.
Labour won't re-regulate anything, there will be more regulations.
And off we continue down the helter skelter of an ever increasing state and how to feed the bills it creates whilst companies and those who can flee for the hills.
I'm not an Economist but I'm not convinced by the fixation on Growth. Yes it would be nice but IMO the real problems are manyfold including most public services not functioning efficiently (despite adequate funding), private-sector syphoning off massive amounts of tax-payers money (Tories would rather pay 5 times more to an agency nurse than pay NHS staff a decent wage for example), ineffective HMRC investigations, big offshore corporations not paying enough (or any) tax, etc etc.The harder part is for the politicians to articulate and implement a strategy for growth.
The vilification of those that propose doing that (creating growth) is an interesting one because the next government will either need to cut spending, raise taxes or, both as the avenue for tax cuts and de-regulation has now been cut off due to the public humiliation of Truss.
Labour won't re-regulate anything, there will be more regulations.
And off we continue down the helter skelter of an ever increasing state and how to feed the bills it creates whilst companies and those who can flee for the hills.
I say fix what we've got first, then start looking for growth. Sadly the Tories won't/can't do that, so I hope Labour can do a better of it (for all our sakes).
The problem is that you need economic growth or borrowing to fund the grow in spend. That's why there is a fixation with growth as the bond markets will start puking if there are 'unfunded' additional spending by a Labour government .
Labour won't cut so they are cornered into tax rises . They won't grow either and so it's a political snooker game. Hunt knows this is the same situation the Tories are in after the election (if they won) but won't openly admit it.
Labour won't cut so they are cornered into tax rises . They won't grow either and so it's a political snooker game. Hunt knows this is the same situation the Tories are in after the election (if they won) but won't openly admit it.
Carl_VivaEspana said:
The problem is that you need economic growth or borrowing to fund the grow in spend. That's why there is a fixation with growth as the bond markets will start puking if there are 'unfunded' additional spending by a Labour government .
Labour won't cut so they are cornered into tax rises . They won't grow either and so it's a political snooker game. Hunt knows this is the same situation the Tories are in after the election (if they won) but won't openly admit it.
I understand the point but don't agree. IMO it's best to fix the leaky bucket rather than find more water for it.Labour won't cut so they are cornered into tax rises . They won't grow either and so it's a political snooker game. Hunt knows this is the same situation the Tories are in after the election (if they won) but won't openly admit it.
"Growth" is a lazy argument IMO.
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