Another dog attack

[joshcowin]

J4CKO said:

joshcowin said:

J4CKO said:

Yeah, I love dogs but if I am getting attacked then I will do whatever I can to stop that, including stoving its head in with whatever is to hand if all else fails.
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Yeah ok but what you have said literally has nothing to do with what I said.

Read the posts, he is gutted after the fact that he didn't kick a small dog with a steel toe cap boot because it ripped his trouser. I get defending yourself but in this case we don't need to make up random scenarios, a terrier attacked him, it tore his clothes, didn't cause him harm, yet he is 'gutted' he didn't kick it with his steel toe cap boots!

If it rips his pants, its going to do more damage given half a chance, you get attacked by a dog I can see why you would want to kick it at the time as you are under attack, less so afterwards but even so, its pretty traumatic and distressing, even with a dog thats not that big, never mind anything bigger.

'If it rips his pants, its going to do more damage given half a chance' - but it didnt

[joshcowin]

bmwmike said:

irc said:

joshcowin said:

Yeah ok but what you have said literally has nothing to do with what I said.

Read the posts, he is gutted after the fact that he didn't kick a small dog with a steel toe cap boot because it ripped his trouser. I get defending yourself but in this case we don't need to make up random scenarios, a terrier attacked him, it tore his clothes, didn't cause him harm, yet he is 'gutted' he didn't kick it with his steel toe cap boots!

So it needs to draw blood before any defence is allowed?

Josh apparently thinks the dog must be teeth deep into your leg before you can consider swearing at it.

Personally if the intent is demonstrated and the owner hasn't got it back under control immediately, i'll do whatever I can to defend myself.

Why are you all just making up random nonsense??

[Gareth79]

Viper201 said:

Another one shot by police in Scotland. 3 people injured and a Collie attacked.

https://news.stv.tv/west-central/teen-girl-reporte...

And another one shot dead, this time in Hamilton in Scotland after it attacked a man and then the owner. Apparently rescued just 2 weeks before.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/c...

It might be rubbish but a comment reposted elsewhere claimed that both dogs had been "rescued" from England by the same person, and the latest one had already bitten somebody before.

808 Estate said:

Interesting that it took 4 rounds to stop the dog. It must have been really hyped to take that much lead.

They have a very high pain tolerance while in "attack mode", only physically being unable will stop them.

[J4CKO]

joshcowin said:

J4CKO said:

joshcowin said:

J4CKO said:

Yeah, I love dogs but if I am getting attacked then I will do whatever I can to stop that, including stoving its head in with whatever is to hand if all else fails.
.

Yeah ok but what you have said literally has nothing to do with what I said.

Read the posts, he is gutted after the fact that he didn't kick a small dog with a steel toe cap boot because it ripped his trouser. I get defending yourself but in this case we don't need to make up random scenarios, a terrier attacked him, it tore his clothes, didn't cause him harm, yet he is 'gutted' he didn't kick it with his steel toe cap boots!

If it rips his pants, its going to do more damage given half a chance, you get attacked by a dog I can see why you would want to kick it at the time as you are under attack, less so afterwards but even so, its pretty traumatic and distressing, even with a dog thats not that big, never mind anything bigger.

'If it rips his pants, its going to do more damage given half a chance' - but it didnt

Yeah, he got it off, would you wait for it to finish ?

[Viper201]

Gareth79 said:

Viper201 said:

Another one shot by police in Scotland. 3 people injured and a Collie attacked.

https://news.stv.tv/west-central/teen-girl-reporte...

And another one shot dead, this time in Hamilton in Scotland after it attacked a man and then the owner. Apparently rescued just 2 weeks before.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/c...

It might be rubbish but a comment reposted elsewhere claimed that both dogs had been "rescued" from England by the same person, and the latest one had already bitten somebody before.

808 Estate said:

Interesting that it took 4 rounds to stop the dog. It must have been really hyped to take that much lead.

They have a very high pain tolerance while in "attack mode", only physically being unable will stop them.

Yes, I can believe they were part of the group being 'rescued' by that bloke who drove to Scotland with them in his car (more than once?). I think they were all in a rescue shelter and he didn't want them put to sleep.

If the clowns that think they are running Scotland had any common sense, they would have implemented the new law as per England immediately and 5 people and a Collie would not have been injured.

I bet there will be more attacks though.

[gazza285]

joshcowin said:

'If it rips his pants, its going to do more damage given half a chance' - but it didnt

And he didn’t kick it, so stop blathering on about it, you are coming across like a complete melt.

[Murph7355]

J4CKO said:

All dogs, have a word with yourself.

My 15 year old 8 kilo terrier/mongrel needs to be muzzled in public when I walk him between 9 and 10pm ?

Sometimes its worth thinking before posting "Is that a proportionate and realistic suggestion", and no, its not, as most of these attacks seem to be in the home anyway, imagine sticking a muzzle on a Chihuahua ? ....

Yes, all of them.

It seems to not work trying to classify some as dangerous. Classifying any other way would be abused too. So you want to have your dog in public, muzzle it. You don't want it muzzled, buy yourself a field, fence it in and do what you want with it without impacting anyone else.

Proportionate? How many people need to be injured, maimed or killed for it to qualify?

Realistic? The dog owners' problem.

I think it's safe to say that if all dogs in public were muzzled, nobody/nothing would be bitten by the things in public.

In the home? As you will. BUT if it kills or maims there then the owner gets punished as if they'd done it.

You might guess I'm no dog fan.

[jdw100]

A lot of the problem in UK is that dogs aren’t socialised.

Not used to other dogs or people.

My dog goes out when we open the gates in the morning. Has a number of dogs he mixes with outside - some owned, some ‘street dogs’ looked after by people in the street.

Returns when he is ready or called in. Probably out three or four times a day. His group interact with other packs from further up the road, usually okay but might involve some barking (especially about 02:00 - quite the chorus of howling!)

During the day when out he meets quite a few of people, on bikes or foot (the people, not the dog).

Gets taken for walks every other day. We have an large undeveloped area near us. Other dogs often join the walks. Lots of cows and other dogs. Never been a problem. He does like to lie down with a calf sometimes.

Had a few scraps - couple of stitches in his head - but that dogs for you. I don’t care who’s dog did it. Hopefully mine gave him a good kicking.

My daughter has been out with these since she was 18 months old. Usually has a guard of two or three when taking her scooter up and down the street now…which is quite funny.

Point being none are aggressive, not always interested in other dogs or people or hyped up to go for a walk.

Keeping them all day in a house with same people and not mixing with other dogs - recipe for disaster.

On my way here (cafe) I met a bunch of pups and nearly got licked to death. Two dogs that barked at me - its a territorial thing; you just ignore it, couple of friendly ones (head scratches) and maybe 6 or 7 that ignored me.

I’ve been nipped once in seven years, didn’t break skin and had collar meaning rabies vaccine up to date - gave it a good few boots. Been nipped or had aggressive dogs way more often in UK when running.

My brothers dog in UK has ‘separation anxiety,’ FFS. If it could meet other dogs or people during the day it wouldn’t. A friend’s (UK ) has to eat special organic chicken pieces as poor darling has delicate constitution.

We do boiled up chicken heads or feet, beef bones - cheap from market and whatever waste food we have.

Interesting to note that some post-covid arrivals here have dogs on leads that strain to meet mine or other dogs - barking as well; they are treating them like UK dogs so are in house/not socialised all day.

My mum was saying that when she was growing up in 1950s dogs were out of houses a lot more.

Also, its a dog not a person or child.

Edited by jdw100 on Wednesday 21st February 01:54

Edited by jdw100 on Wednesday 21st February 01:57

[blueg33]

Let dogs roam freely and before you know it there is dog st all over the pavements, dogs being hit by cars, sheep being killed etc


I am old enough to remember when dogs were allowed to roam in the uk. It was not ideal. I saw a kid bitten in the school playground, a terrier used to hang around the local VG shop buying several people a day, pavements had lots of dog st on them.

To suggest it would be better to let a species that hunts in packs , hang out in uncontrolled packs during the day is delusional at best.

[jdw100]

blueg33 said:

Let dogs roam freely and before you know it there is dog st all over the pavements, dogs being hit by cars, sheep being killed etc


I am old enough to remember when dogs were allowed to roam in the uk. It was not ideal. I saw a kid bitten in the school playground, a terrier used to hang around the local VG shop buying several people a day, pavements had lots of dog st on them.

To suggest it would be better to let a species that hunts in packs , hang out in uncontrolled packs during the day is delusional at best.

If delusional why does it seem to work reasonably well.

As I say I used to have more problems with dogs in UK when running. I was until recently covering 200km+ a month for years and not had any trouble. Had some join me for a while. One kintamani used to regularly jog alongside for a bit on a certain section.

I was honestly more worried about a troop of monkeys that hang out in one area. Fangs on big males and possible rabies.

My approach was to say ‘good morning’ loudly on approach ‘how are we? Good monkeys’. So as not to startle them. Seen them chase a guy on a bike (man on bike, not the monkeys). They really can be absolute horrible fkers.

Feel free to walk down our street - 20(?) dogs. You’d be fine. Some will bark, but that’s it.

Have a go at breaking in somewhere at night though - can’t see that going well. We also think if my daughter was outside (she is six) and a person, dog or snake alarmed her - she would have instant back up.

You would think dog st would be a bigger problem, I did. I think its because at 30C most days it dries up really quickly. Could it be diet related? Not thought about that in years…let me be more observant over next few weeks.

[the cueball]

This is from someone close to the first link posted recently about the dog in Scotland.

I’m nothing to do with it apart from being semi local and knowing people who know people…I literally have no dog in the fight, just posting for a bit of context that the news outlets may not cover correctly.

There has been a bit of local outrage at the way it was handled by the police, including ignoring complaints about the Collie dog and its owner. At least 3 people have came forward claiming to have been bitten by it and reported it before.

There has also been several witnesses coming forward to back up the story below:

“Let's end the ridiculous rumours going around about me.

I will say the following about what happened and then I'm logging out because I can't mentally cope anymore.

Six shots.

That's how many times firearms officers shot an injured, exhausted, terrified dog.

Below is a picture of the "mauling" one of the people trying to seperate the two fighting dogs received.

The other dog received minor injuries and was discharged from the vets after 30 minutes and given paracetamol.

Kilo was on the lead when an off lead dog approached him, the owner was warned several times that Kilo had not spent much time around other dogs, but "it's ok because my dog's friendly". They had a scuffle and were promptly seperated. One of the neighbours had wirnessed it and called the police.

When police arrived they hooked an exhausted, wounded Kilo with a catchpole, marched him away from the area, ordered everyone to stand back, slowly counted to 10 and shot him. After his screams echoed out, they shot him again, and again.

He wasnt a "devil dog", his name was Kilo, his crime? Being an XL Bully.




“

[eldar]

the cueball said:

This is from someone close to the first link posted recently about the dog in Scotland.

I’m nothing to do with it apart from being semi local and knowing people who know people…I literally have no dog in the fight, just posting for a bit of context that the news outlets may not cover correctly.

There has been a bit of local outrage at the way it was handled by the police, including ignoring complaints about the Collie dog and its owner. At least 3 people have came forward claiming to have been bitten by it and reported it before.

There has also been several witnesses coming forward to back up the story below:

“Let's end the ridiculous rumours going around about me.

I will say the following about what happened and then I'm logging out because I can't mentally cope anymore.

Six shots.

That's how many times firearms officers shot an injured, exhausted, terrified dog.

Below is a picture of the "mauling" one of the people trying to seperate the two fighting dogs received.

The other dog received minor injuries and was discharged from the vets after 30 minutes and given paracetamol.

Kilo was on the lead when an off lead dog approached him, the owner was warned several times that Kilo had not spent much time around other dogs, but "it's ok because my dog's friendly". They had a scuffle and were promptly seperated. One of the neighbours had wirnessed it and called the police.

When police arrived they hooked an exhausted, wounded Kilo with a catchpole, marched him away from the area, ordered everyone to stand back, slowly counted to 10 and shot him. After his screams echoed out, they shot him again, and again.

He wasnt a "devil dog", his name was Kilo, his crime? Being an XL Bully.




“

Is this one of the dogs exported to Scotland to avoid compliance with English regulations?

Which then 'nipped' dogs and people until murdered?

[the cueball]

eldar said:

Is this one of the dogs exported to Scotland to avoid compliance with English regulations?

Which then 'nipped' dogs and people until murdered?

No it's not.

[hidetheelephants]

A promptly separated scuffle that left the dug exhausted, terrified and injured? Was this statement written by the West Midlands Serious Crime Squad?

[119]

jdw100 said:

blueg33 said:

Let dogs roam freely and before you know it there is dog st all over the pavements, dogs being hit by cars, sheep being killed etc


I am old enough to remember when dogs were allowed to roam in the uk. It was not ideal. I saw a kid bitten in the school playground, a terrier used to hang around the local VG shop buying several people a day, pavements had lots of dog st on them.

To suggest it would be better to let a species that hunts in packs , hang out in uncontrolled packs during the day is delusional at best.

If delusional why does it seem to work reasonably well.

As I say I used to have more problems with dogs in UK when running. I was until recently covering 200km+ a month for years and not had any trouble. Had some join me for a while. One kintamani used to regularly jog alongside for a bit on a certain section.

I was honestly more worried about a troop of monkeys that hang out in one area. Fangs on big males and possible rabies.

My approach was to say ‘good morning’ loudly on approach ‘how are we? Good monkeys’. So as not to startle them. Seen them chase a guy on a bike (man on bike, not the monkeys). They really can be absolute horrible fkers.

Feel free to walk down our street - 20(?) dogs. You’d be fine. Some will bark, but that’s it.

Have a go at breaking in somewhere at night though - can’t see that going well. We also think if my daughter was outside (she is six) and a person, dog or snake alarmed her - she would have instant back up.

You would think dog st would be a bigger problem, I did. I think its because at 30C most days it dries up really quickly. Could it be diet related? Not thought about that in years…let me be more observant over next few weeks.

Where do you live?

[eldar]

the cueball said:

eldar said:

Is this one of the dogs exported to Scotland to avoid compliance with English regulations?

Which then 'nipped' dogs and people until murdered?

No it's not.

Thanks.

[Unreal]

119 said:

jdw100 said:

blueg33 said:

Let dogs roam freely and before you know it there is dog st all over the pavements, dogs being hit by cars, sheep being killed etc


I am old enough to remember when dogs were allowed to roam in the uk. It was not ideal. I saw a kid bitten in the school playground, a terrier used to hang around the local VG shop buying several people a day, pavements had lots of dog st on them.

To suggest it would be better to let a species that hunts in packs , hang out in uncontrolled packs during the day is delusional at best.

If delusional why does it seem to work reasonably well.

As I say I used to have more problems with dogs in UK when running. I was until recently covering 200km+ a month for years and not had any trouble. Had some join me for a while. One kintamani used to regularly jog alongside for a bit on a certain section.

I was honestly more worried about a troop of monkeys that hang out in one area. Fangs on big males and possible rabies.

My approach was to say ‘good morning’ loudly on approach ‘how are we? Good monkeys’. So as not to startle them. Seen them chase a guy on a bike (man on bike, not the monkeys). They really can be absolute horrible fkers.

Feel free to walk down our street - 20(?) dogs. You’d be fine. Some will bark, but that’s it.

Have a go at breaking in somewhere at night though - can’t see that going well. We also think if my daughter was outside (she is six) and a person, dog or snake alarmed her - she would have instant back up.

You would think dog st would be a bigger problem, I did. I think its because at 30C most days it dries up really quickly. Could it be diet related? Not thought about that in years…let me be more observant over next few weeks.

Where do you live?

Sounds like Milton Keynes.

[119]

Unreal said:

119 said:

jdw100 said:

blueg33 said:

Let dogs roam freely and before you know it there is dog st all over the pavements, dogs being hit by cars, sheep being killed etc


I am old enough to remember when dogs were allowed to roam in the uk. It was not ideal. I saw a kid bitten in the school playground, a terrier used to hang around the local VG shop buying several people a day, pavements had lots of dog st on them.

To suggest it would be better to let a species that hunts in packs , hang out in uncontrolled packs during the day is delusional at best.

If delusional why does it seem to work reasonably well.

As I say I used to have more problems with dogs in UK when running. I was until recently covering 200km+ a month for years and not had any trouble. Had some join me for a while. One kintamani used to regularly jog alongside for a bit on a certain section.

I was honestly more worried about a troop of monkeys that hang out in one area. Fangs on big males and possible rabies.

My approach was to say ‘good morning’ loudly on approach ‘how are we? Good monkeys’. So as not to startle them. Seen them chase a guy on a bike (man on bike, not the monkeys). They really can be absolute horrible fkers.

Feel free to walk down our street - 20(?) dogs. You’d be fine. Some will bark, but that’s it.

Have a go at breaking in somewhere at night though - can’t see that going well. We also think if my daughter was outside (she is six) and a person, dog or snake alarmed her - she would have instant back up.

You would think dog st would be a bigger problem, I did. I think its because at 30C most days it dries up really quickly. Could it be diet related? Not thought about that in years…let me be more observant over next few weeks.

Where do you live?

Sounds like Milton Keynes.

[Murph7355]

jdw100 said:

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Returns when he is ready or called in. Probably out three or four times a day. His group interact with other packs from further up the road, usually okay but might involve some barking (especially about 02:00 - quite the chorus of howling!)

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Had a few scraps - couple of stitches in his head - but that dogs for you. I don’t care who’s dog did it. Hopefully mine gave him a good kicking.

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Point being none are aggressive, not always interested in other dogs or people or hyped up to go for a walk.

...

Sounds idyllic :rollseyes

Is it in India? (If not MK).

[Hungrymc]

hidetheelephants said:

A promptly separated scuffle that left the dug exhausted, terrified and injured? Was this statement written by the West Midlands Serious Crime Squad?

If I had made those ridiculous / contradictory statements, I’d step away for mental health reasons too.