Another dog attack

[markymarkthree]

Staffie haters must be disappointed when they read this thread.

I hope the Mrs has a full recovery.

[Venisonpie]

bmwmike said:

Rick101 said:

Unpopular opinion in nation of dog lovers, I include myself in that.
Dogs should be kept on a lead in all public places. If you want your dog, however lovely to run around unrestrained, do it on your own property or at a designated dog park.

I'd vote for that too. Designated off lead areas etc.

And another. I'm sick and tired of dog owners who fail to take responsibility for their pets. They just don't get it.

[Venisonpie]

And right on cue I witnessed a horrible dog attack this morning by an alsation on a smaller dog. Despite being on a lead the alsation grabbed a small dog in its mouth and was shaking it violently in its mouth. It took several minutes for a number of members of the public were able to prize the small dog from the jaws of the alsation.

I really hope the small one survives, I have reported the incident to the police as I suspect have many others. Appalling and sadly common.

[Mark V GTD]

That’s awful. Was the small dog on a lead too?

[Venisonpie]

Mark V GTD said:

That’s awful. Was the small dog on a lead too?

Yes, the couple with it were walking down the local High St. The owner of the alsation was waiting outside a shop with it, as I approached another dog on a lead with it's owner passed and the alsation strained to get it but the owner pulled it back. As I passed the dog so did the couple with a smaller dog and this time the alsation managed to grab it. The owner was being dragged down the street on his back by it such was the ferocity of the attack. Two members fo the public were kicking the alsation as hard as they could but it just wouldn't release.

Never seen anything like it. Thankfully I've got the address of the owner so it can be dealt with.

[Mark V GTD]

That’s horrific.

[Mr Moley]

Venisonpie said:

And right on cue I witnessed a horrible dog attack this morning by an alsation on a smaller dog. Despite being on a lead the alsation grabbed a small dog in its mouth and was shaking it violently in its mouth. It took several minutes for a number of members of the public were able to prize the small dog from the jaws of the alsation.

I really hope the small one survives, I have reported the incident to the police as I suspect have many others. Appalling and sadly common.

This is precisely why it's pointless whining on (not you personally) about dogs being on a lead, my lab has been bitten by several dogs on leads as they walk past. It's authentic frontier gibberish mostly spouted by dog haters.

OP I'm so sorry to hear about your wife and your pup, unfortunately she's learned the hard way that you don't put your hands in the danger end in this situation. The safest thing, as harsh as it might sound, is to use your right foot to protect your animal if necessary.

One thing I would fully support personally is licences for dog owners, particularly since covid there has been a significant rise in dog owners with a lower IQ than their animals.

[Venisonpie]

Mr Moley said:

Venisonpie said:

And right on cue I witnessed a horrible dog attack this morning by an alsation on a smaller dog. Despite being on a lead the alsation grabbed a small dog in its mouth and was shaking it violently in its mouth. It took several minutes for a number of members of the public were able to prize the small dog from the jaws of the alsation.

I really hope the small one survives, I have reported the incident to the police as I suspect have many others. Appalling and sadly common.

This is precisely why it's pointless whining on (not you personally) about dogs being on a lead, my lab has been bitten by several dogs on leads as they walk past. It's authentic frontier gibberish mostly spouted by dog haters.

OP I'm so sorry to hear about your wife and your pup, unfortunately she's learned the hard way that you don't put your hands in the danger end in this situation. The safest thing, as harsh as it might sound, is to use your right foot to protect your animal if necessary.

One thing I would fully support personally is licences for dog owners, particularly since covid there has been a significant rise in dog owners with a lower IQ than their animals.

Totally disagree. If the alsation wasn't on a lead the outcome would have been worse. It clearly needed a muzzle at best, I hope it's destroyed for the safety of the general public. You're part of the apologist problem.

[RoadToad84]

A tip for dealing with an attacking dog - grab it by its back legs and pick it up. It'll drop whatever is in its mouth, keeps you out of range of its pointy end and you can swing/chuck it over a wall or something.

Obviously not always an option, but can be handy in several circumstances.

[bmwmike]

Mr Moley said:

This is precisely why it's pointless whining on (not you personally) about dogs being on a lead, my lab has been bitten by several dogs on leads as they walk past. It's authentic frontier gibberish mostly spouted by dog haters.

OP I'm so sorry to hear about your wife and your pup, unfortunately she's learned the hard way that you don't put your hands in the danger end in this situation. The safest thing, as harsh as it might sound, is to use your right foot to protect your animal if necessary.

One thing I would fully support personally is licences for dog owners, particularly since covid there has been a significant rise in dog owners with a lower IQ than their animals.

You think leads are pointless but would advocate licensing? Bizarre. Licenses were easy to get around. Face facts if a dog goes nuts which do you think is more likely to get back under control - one on a lead or one that is running around ignoring its owner/handler?

[Venisonpie]

RoadToad84 said:

A tip for dealing with an attacking dog - grab it by its back legs and pick it up. It'll drop whatever is in its mouth, keeps you out of range of its pointy end and you can swing/chuck it over a wall or something.

Obviously not always an option, but can be handy in several circumstances.

Good advice, bit tricky in this instance as the thing was bigger than most of the bystanders. Useful none the less.

[soad]

Mark V GTD said:

That’s horrific.

[Mr Moley]

Venisonpie said:

Mr Moley said:

Venisonpie said:

And right on cue I witnessed a horrible dog attack this morning by an alsation on a smaller dog. Despite being on a lead the alsation grabbed a small dog in its mouth and was shaking it violently in its mouth. It took several minutes for a number of members of the public were able to prize the small dog from the jaws of the alsation.

I really hope the small one survives, I have reported the incident to the police as I suspect have many others. Appalling and sadly common.

This is precisely why it's pointless whining on (not you personally) about dogs being on a lead, my lab has been bitten by several dogs on leads as they walk past. It's authentic frontier gibberish mostly spouted by dog haters.

OP I'm so sorry to hear about your wife and your pup, unfortunately she's learned the hard way that you don't put your hands in the danger end in this situation. The safest thing, as harsh as it might sound, is to use your right foot to protect your animal if necessary.

One thing I would fully support personally is licences for dog owners, particularly since covid there has been a significant rise in dog owners with a lower IQ than their animals.

Totally disagree. If the alsation wasn't on a lead the outcome would have been worse. It clearly needed a muzzle at best, I hope it's destroyed for the safety of the general public. You're part of the apologist problem.

haha and what am I an apologist for?

My dog has been attacked several times - it's a Labrador ffs - my point, which you fail to realise you are endorsing, is that having a dog on a lead doesn't stop it biting

You also correctly state that dogs which bite should be muzzled. If they are muzzled they can't bite

These threads always bring out the stupids

[Mr Moley]

bmwmike said:

Mr Moley said:

This is precisely why it's pointless whining on (not you personally) about dogs being on a lead, my lab has been bitten by several dogs on leads as they walk past. It's authentic frontier gibberish mostly spouted by dog haters.

OP I'm so sorry to hear about your wife and your pup, unfortunately she's learned the hard way that you don't put your hands in the danger end in this situation. The safest thing, as harsh as it might sound, is to use your right foot to protect your animal if necessary.

One thing I would fully support personally is licences for dog owners, particularly since covid there has been a significant rise in dog owners with a lower IQ than their animals.

You think leads are pointless but would advocate licensing? Bizarre. Licenses were easy to get around. Face facts if a dog goes nuts which do you think is more likely to get back under control - one on a lead or one that is running around ignoring its owner/handler?

Any why is it bizarre exactly? Should we not have driving licences then?

If a dog goes nuts it is out of control whether it is on the lead or not. Why punish dogs and owners that are well behaved and no threat to anyone? My dog is gun trained and wouldn't bite another living creature if his life depended on it. I know this because we have been in that exact situation more than once, and on two of those occasions is was dogs on a lead that grabbed him around the throat

[NMNeil]

RoadToad84 said:

A tip for dealing with an attacking dog - grab it by its back legs and pick it up. It'll drop whatever is in its mouth, keeps you out of range of its pointy end and you can swing/chuck it over a wall or something.

Obviously not always an option, but can be handy in several circumstances.

For a small dog maybe, but for bigger ones I find a Glock works well.

[QJumper]

Mr Moley said:

This is precisely why it's pointless whining on (not you personally) about dogs being on a lead, my lab has been bitten by several dogs on leads as they walk past. It's authentic frontier gibberish mostly spouted by dog haters.

It may not always be sufficient, but I don't think it's pointless, but a muzzle would help too.

Nor am I a dog hater any more than being a tiger hater, I just don't think either should be allowed to roam around unrestrained.

Another thing that perhaps dog owners could explain to me is what's the point of those harnesses that now seem popular, particularly on the bigger, more aggressive looking dogs?

I would have thought that putting the restraint over the heavily muscled chest of some oversized bulldog would shift the balance of power towards the dog, by giving it far more puling power than it would get from a lead around its neck.

[LordHaveMurci]

QJumper said:

It may not always be sufficient, but I don't think it's pointless, but a muzzle would help too.

Nor am I a dog hater any more than being a tiger hater, I just don't think either should be allowed to roam around unrestrained.

Another thing that perhaps dog owners could explain to me is what's the point of those harnesses that now seem popular, particularly on the bigger, more aggressive looking dogs?

I would have thought that putting the restraint over the heavily muscled chest of some oversized bulldog would shift the balance of power towards the dog, by giving it far more puling power than it would get from a lead around its neck.

I can only assume that harnesses in the main are a fashion accessory.

Pointless in a lot of cases.

[bmwmike]

Mr Moley said:

Any why is it bizarre exactly? Should we not have driving licences then?

If a dog goes nuts it is out of control whether it is on the lead or not. Why punish dogs and owners that are well behaved and no threat to anyone? My dog is gun trained and wouldn't bite another living creature if his life depended on it. I know this because we have been in that exact situation more than once, and on two of those occasions is was dogs on a lead that grabbed him around the throat

Driving licenses? Are you one of those PH'ers who throw out ridiculous counter points as if they are relevant.

Your dog could have taken part in Come Dancing for all I care, and for reference nearly every dog owner says their dog wouldn't bite another living creature. Until it happens. Then there is always some mitigating circumstance as it's never poor little pooches fault is it. Leads make it easier to drag the dog away, end of. No they don't make it any less likely the dog will bite, obviously, but nobody would claim that. Ability to drag it away though, yes.

Edited by bmwmike on Saturday 5th November 17:05

[paul.deitch]

Dog should always be under the control of their owner or the responsible person.
That may mean on a leash and/or muzzled depending on the circumstances. How can this be controversial?
No owner wants others, especially children, to be injured.

[RoadToad84]

NMNeil said:

For a small dog maybe, but for bigger ones I find a Glock works well.

I used it to good effect on a lurcher that was going for my JRT, but yeah, it'd be a struggle against a Rottie or something. Still preferable to sticking ones hand in the pointy end though.