Another dog attack
Discussion
bmwmike said:
Mr Moley said:
Any why is it bizarre exactly? Should we not have driving licences then?
If a dog goes nuts it is out of control whether it is on the lead or not. Why punish dogs and owners that are well behaved and no threat to anyone? My dog is gun trained and wouldn't bite another living creature if his life depended on it. I know this because we have been in that exact situation more than once, and on two of those occasions is was dogs on a lead that grabbed him around the throat
Driving licenses? Are you one of those PH'ers who throw out ridiculous counter points as if they are relevant.If a dog goes nuts it is out of control whether it is on the lead or not. Why punish dogs and owners that are well behaved and no threat to anyone? My dog is gun trained and wouldn't bite another living creature if his life depended on it. I know this because we have been in that exact situation more than once, and on two of those occasions is was dogs on a lead that grabbed him around the throat
Your dog could have taken part in Come Dancing for all I care, and for reference nearly every dog owner says their dog wouldn't bite another living creature. Until it happens. Then there is always some mitigating circumstance as it's never poor little pooches fault is it. Leads make it easier to drag the dog away, end of. No they don't make it any less likely the dog will bite, obviously, but nobody would claim that. Ability to drag it away though, yes.
Edited by bmwmike on Saturday 5th November 17:05
As you didn't answer my question I'll do it for you.
Licensing is used to ensure that people are responsible. Speed consistently or drink and drive and you'll lose your licence. Your dog bites, you lose your licence.
It's breathtakingly simple.
The tone of your posts is telling.
Finally and funnily enough I know my dog better than you do and no, he would not bite under ANY circumstances
Mr Moley said:
No, I'm one of those PH'ers who can understand basic concepts, you, clearly, aren't
As you didn't answer my question I'll do it for you.
Licensing is used to ensure that people are responsible. Speed consistently or drink and drive and you'll lose your licence. Your dog bites, you lose your licence.
It's breathtakingly simple.
The tone of your posts is telling.
Finally and funnily enough I know my dog better than you do and no, he would not bite under ANY circumstances
And whom do you think would enforce those dog/owner licenses? It's breathtakingly simple to see that they were originally dropped because your average chav mutt was never licensed and nobody bothered to enforce it. Not sure which planet you live on but people will buy dogs off marketplace and not give two hoots to whether they are supposed to have a license or not. To take your analogy if licenses actually worked we wouldnt have mobile phone use whilst driving, speeding, etc. Licenses for dogs would do zero.As you didn't answer my question I'll do it for you.
Licensing is used to ensure that people are responsible. Speed consistently or drink and drive and you'll lose your licence. Your dog bites, you lose your licence.
It's breathtakingly simple.
The tone of your posts is telling.
Finally and funnily enough I know my dog better than you do and no, he would not bite under ANY circumstances
And yes I'm sure you believe your dog is a little angel but it's missing the point and doesn't change my mind that dogs should be on leads in public places irrespective of how well behaved the owners believe their dogs to be.
bmwmike said:
Mr Moley said:
No, I'm one of those PH'ers who can understand basic concepts, you, clearly, aren't
As you didn't answer my question I'll do it for you.
Licensing is used to ensure that people are responsible. Speed consistently or drink and drive and you'll lose your licence. Your dog bites, you lose your licence.
It's breathtakingly simple.
The tone of your posts is telling.
Finally and funnily enough I know my dog better than you do and no, he would not bite under ANY circumstances
And whom do you think would enforce those dog/owner licenses? It's breathtakingly simple to see that they were originally dropped because your average chav mutt was never licensed and nobody bothered to enforce it. Not sure which planet you live on but people will buy dogs off marketplace and not give two hoots to whether they are supposed to have a license or not. To take your analogy if licenses actually worked we wouldnt have mobile phone use whilst driving, speeding, etc. Licenses for dogs would do zero.As you didn't answer my question I'll do it for you.
Licensing is used to ensure that people are responsible. Speed consistently or drink and drive and you'll lose your licence. Your dog bites, you lose your licence.
It's breathtakingly simple.
The tone of your posts is telling.
Finally and funnily enough I know my dog better than you do and no, he would not bite under ANY circumstances
And yes I'm sure you believe your dog is a little angel but it's missing the point and doesn't change my mind that dogs should be on leads in public places irrespective of how well behaved the owners believe their dogs to be.
The point in this context is that if said scrote's dog bites then the dog can easily removed. People not following rules is not a reason not to have them.
If you don't like dogs perhaps stay off the dog threads, you're just making yourself look like a plonker
oh and fyi I live on planet earth, do let me, and the rest of us, know when you land
Mr Moley said:
So, much like driving licences then
The point in this context is that if said scrote's dog bites then the dog can easily removed. People not following rules is not a reason not to have them.
If you don't like dogs perhaps stay off the dog threads, you're just making yourself look like a plonker
oh and fyi I live on planet earth, do let me, and the rest of us, know when you land
I do like dogs. I also don't need to resort to insults to make my point. Leads make it easier to pull a dog away, but you seem to not be able to understand that. Licenses will make no difference because there is literally nobody to enforce and nobody cares anyway.The point in this context is that if said scrote's dog bites then the dog can easily removed. People not following rules is not a reason not to have them.
If you don't like dogs perhaps stay off the dog threads, you're just making yourself look like a plonker
oh and fyi I live on planet earth, do let me, and the rest of us, know when you land
Police enforce driving without a driver's license. They won't be interested in unlicensed dogs.
bmwmike said:
Mr Moley said:
So, much like driving licences then
The point in this context is that if said scrote's dog bites then the dog can easily removed. People not following rules is not a reason not to have them.
If you don't like dogs perhaps stay off the dog threads, you're just making yourself look like a plonker
oh and fyi I live on planet earth, do let me, and the rest of us, know when you land
I do like dogs. I also don't need to resort to insults to make my point. Leads make it easier to pull a dog away, but you seem to not be able to understand that. Licenses will make no difference because there is literally nobody to enforce and nobody cares anyway.The point in this context is that if said scrote's dog bites then the dog can easily removed. People not following rules is not a reason not to have them.
If you don't like dogs perhaps stay off the dog threads, you're just making yourself look like a plonker
oh and fyi I live on planet earth, do let me, and the rest of us, know when you land
Police enforce driving without a driver's license. They won't be interested in unlicensed dogs.
I don't believe that you like dogs either, if you did you would understand that it's both unkind and unnecessary to keep them all tethered at all times
Edited by Mr Moley on Saturday 5th November 19:58
BoRED S2upid said:
OP what lead do you use? We use one of those retractable jobbies which is a pretty big piece of plastic. I’ve never been in your situation but I’m thinking that chunk of plastic would come in handy to give the attacking dog a whack with rather than risking your hand.
Conventional lead and collar but we do use a harness occasionally.I would imagine it would have been quite difficult in the melee my wife described to aim something like that
We already have a law that adequately covers the exact situation the OPs wife and dog unfortunately found themselves in. The police did (rightly) get involved – I don't understand why further laws would make any difference.
From www.gov.uk/control-dog-public
"It’s against the law to let a dog be dangerously out of control anywhere"
This means that any dog that could pose a threat whilst off-lead, must be kept on-lead in public. There is no need to put a blanket ban on off-lead dogs because there are plenty of owners/dogs that cause no issues whilst off-lead.
The problem is that a large proportion of dog owners aren't aware of or are blissfully ignorant to the current law. Perhaps more robust application of it is the answer, rather than further legislation.
From www.gov.uk/control-dog-public
"It’s against the law to let a dog be dangerously out of control anywhere"
This means that any dog that could pose a threat whilst off-lead, must be kept on-lead in public. There is no need to put a blanket ban on off-lead dogs because there are plenty of owners/dogs that cause no issues whilst off-lead.
The problem is that a large proportion of dog owners aren't aware of or are blissfully ignorant to the current law. Perhaps more robust application of it is the answer, rather than further legislation.
billbring said:
We already have a law that adequately covers the exact situation the OPs wife and dog unfortunately found themselves in. The police did (rightly) get involved – I don't understand why further laws would make any difference.
From www.gov.uk/control-dog-public
"It’s against the law to let a dog be dangerously out of control anywhere"
This means that any dog that could pose a threat whilst off-lead, must be kept on-lead in public. There is no need to put a blanket ban on off-lead dogs because there are plenty of owners/dogs that cause no issues whilst off-lead.
The problem is that a large proportion of dog owners aren't aware of or are blissfully ignorant to the current law. Perhaps more robust application of it is the answer, rather than further legislation.
The only reason the police took any action was due to my wife’s injury, the constable was under the impression that a dog on dog attack is not an offence so it’s not just dog owners that don’t understand the law From www.gov.uk/control-dog-public
"It’s against the law to let a dog be dangerously out of control anywhere"
This means that any dog that could pose a threat whilst off-lead, must be kept on-lead in public. There is no need to put a blanket ban on off-lead dogs because there are plenty of owners/dogs that cause no issues whilst off-lead.
The problem is that a large proportion of dog owners aren't aware of or are blissfully ignorant to the current law. Perhaps more robust application of it is the answer, rather than further legislation.
This has gone the same way all these threads do, they are almost pointless!
Idiot owners dont control their dogs and the vast majority of owners, who are responsible, get lumped inot the same bracket!
I live opposite a park in a town, there are 100's of dogs walked there daily, I have not witnessed an issue, worst I have seen is a whippet got hold of a squirrel and made an almighty red mess!
I have a dog, I rarely walk it on a lead, it is in control however, I always ask parents ahead if there children are ok with dogs. Not that he would take a moments notice of a child, but I wouldn't want to surprise or scare the child!
Idiot owners dont control their dogs and the vast majority of owners, who are responsible, get lumped inot the same bracket!
I live opposite a park in a town, there are 100's of dogs walked there daily, I have not witnessed an issue, worst I have seen is a whippet got hold of a squirrel and made an almighty red mess!
I have a dog, I rarely walk it on a lead, it is in control however, I always ask parents ahead if there children are ok with dogs. Not that he would take a moments notice of a child, but I wouldn't want to surprise or scare the child!
liner33 said:
billbring said:
We already have a law that adequately covers the exact situation the OPs wife and dog unfortunately found themselves in. The police did (rightly) get involved – I don't understand why further laws would make any difference.
From www.gov.uk/control-dog-public
"It’s against the law to let a dog be dangerously out of control anywhere"
This means that any dog that could pose a threat whilst off-lead, must be kept on-lead in public. There is no need to put a blanket ban on off-lead dogs because there are plenty of owners/dogs that cause no issues whilst off-lead.
The problem is that a large proportion of dog owners aren't aware of or are blissfully ignorant to the current law. Perhaps more robust application of it is the answer, rather than further legislation.
The only reason the police took any action was due to my wife’s injury, the constable was under the impression that a dog on dog attack is not an offence so it’s not just dog owners that don’t understand the law From www.gov.uk/control-dog-public
"It’s against the law to let a dog be dangerously out of control anywhere"
This means that any dog that could pose a threat whilst off-lead, must be kept on-lead in public. There is no need to put a blanket ban on off-lead dogs because there are plenty of owners/dogs that cause no issues whilst off-lead.
The problem is that a large proportion of dog owners aren't aware of or are blissfully ignorant to the current law. Perhaps more robust application of it is the answer, rather than further legislation.
IANAL so just went off the TVP own website.
Leads have little to do with it since a dog off the lead may still be under control and a dog on a lead may not.
In this case I would argue that two dogs off the lead AND that the owner had no control over ie no recall, that went onto attack another dog and injure it would be an offence, irrespective of my wife's injury
Leads have little to do with it since a dog off the lead may still be under control and a dog on a lead may not.
In this case I would argue that two dogs off the lead AND that the owner had no control over ie no recall, that went onto attack another dog and injure it would be an offence, irrespective of my wife's injury
I still don't understand people after letting their dogs run free and an issue arising with either another dog or a person, arguing about what went wrong. If you dog bites anyone (bad b
ds excluded) or another dog unprovoked, (some defence of owner is understandable) then it is untrustworthy.
Of course your dog can defend the pack or home, but biting with no need is sadly an indication of need for control or removal from risk. I trust my pooch not to bite or hurt anyone unless you count standing on their toes significant, but woul I ever have him lead free where I couldn't control him ?(ie other dogs ) NO he is too important and would be classed as dangerous.
Do I stop him challenging people who come to the house, of course not, but my hand is always on his collar. Why oh why would you not control your hound, even if not on lead? Scooby jumped out ot the garden last year when some people walked by with thier dog (off lead) and I ran around to stop any issues, Scooby wasn't interested int the lab once free and vice versa, but on progressing to collar my hound 2 metres away, theirs growled, and was follwed by "I don't like yout attitude", so some dog owners are such tts. Anyway, no harm done and I've never seen the same owners walk this road again(thankfully).
If you value your dog, be careful, none of them are completely predictable.
ds excluded) or another dog unprovoked, (some defence of owner is understandable) then it is untrustworthy. Of course your dog can defend the pack or home, but biting with no need is sadly an indication of need for control or removal from risk. I trust my pooch not to bite or hurt anyone unless you count standing on their toes significant, but woul I ever have him lead free where I couldn't control him ?(ie other dogs ) NO he is too important and would be classed as dangerous.
Do I stop him challenging people who come to the house, of course not, but my hand is always on his collar. Why oh why would you not control your hound, even if not on lead? Scooby jumped out ot the garden last year when some people walked by with thier dog (off lead) and I ran around to stop any issues, Scooby wasn't interested int the lab once free and vice versa, but on progressing to collar my hound 2 metres away, theirs growled, and was follwed by "I don't like yout attitude", so some dog owners are such t
ts. Anyway, no harm done and I've never seen the same owners walk this road again(thankfully). If you value your dog, be careful, none of them are completely predictable.
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