Brexit - was it worth it? (Vol. 4)

[Vanden Saab]

Mortarboard said:

Deesee said:

Your point volumes down.

My point high value goods are growing.

You can exclude services, if you wish, my point stands.

Just because something transverses 3/15 borders (within the EU) to make a ‘goods’ while during the manufacturing process does not make it any more valuable than something leaving the UK as exported.

Ask BMW.

Nice strawman.

My point- huge difference in growth in goods trade vs growth in services trade, because brexit.

Refute at yer leisure

M.

In case anybody missed the refutation last time it was asked for and provided...

https://www2.deloitte.com/uk/en/pages/tax/articles...

You can understand why certain people are determined to suggest it is all the fault of Brexit now as with the real reasons of Covid and the Ukraine war slowly fading into the background and the UK picking up nicely, goods trade which has been dropping for years and will continue to do is all they have left to blame Brexit for.

[don'tbesilly]

Deesee said:

Mortarboard said:

Deesee said:

Your point volumes down.

My point high value goods are growing.

You can exclude services, if you wish, my point stands.

Just because something transverses 3/15 borders (within the EU) to make a ‘goods’ while during the manufacturing process does not make it any more valuable than something leaving the UK as exported.

Ask BMW.

Nice strawman.

My point- huge difference in growth in goods trade vs growth in services trade, because brexit.

Refute at yer leisure

M.

I’ll take strawman all day, if we keep unemployment lower than EU average (50% less) & youth unemployment lower than EU average (EU have 15% under 25 unemployed UK 10%) While growing the economy simultaneously via the ‘single’ market and ROW, not paying for the EU simultaneously…

UK seems to be working fine..

M please explain the subsequent investment by European/ROW multinationals in UK industry and machine/manufacturing.. (you can read into that what you will, and why they have picked the UK over say geographically NL/DK NW Ger/northern FR or Ireland), or with massive EU subsidies to parachute into Slovakia, Spain, Croatia, Romania, Hungary (etc) to fudge the unemployment numbers at the cost of the German taxpayers.

Value over Volume? Quality over quantity?

Investment on an island outside of a common market (of some 27 states and 7x the population), I need this explained to me as a strawman.

This is the Kearney FDI Confidence Index®, which is an annual poll that ranks markets that are likely to attract the most investment in the next three years.

UK pushes Germany into 5th position, and is tops in Europe.




https://www.kearney.com/service/global-business-po...

[Mortarboard]

Neither refutes the point.

No surprise.

M.

[Vanden Saab]

Mortarboard said:

Neither refutes the point.

No surprise.

M.

Nothing would refute the point for you, once trade intensity is a dead duck you will just find another irrelevant marker somewhere to hang your Brexit bad hat on.


No surprise.




VS.

[Mortarboard]

Vanden Saab said:

Nothing would refute the point for you, once trade intensity is a dead duck you will just find another irrelevant marker somewhere to hang your Brexit bad hat on.


No surprise.




VS.

bks.

Posting irrelevancies isn't even engaging on it.

M.

[wisbech]

Good news, immigration is now negative! (of HNWI)

[Vanden Saab]

wisbech said:

Good news, immigration is now negative! (of HNWI)

Hmm is this because of Brexit or is it the highest taxes since God knows when and the ending of non-dom.. answers on a postcard to
Everything is the fault of Brexit
Desperation St
Br16 8yo
. oh wait you actually believed Labour when they said no HNW individuals would leave. Mind you the LSe said less than 100 would leave so back to the drawing board for them too...
https://www.lse.ac.uk/News/Latest-news-from-LSE/20...

[272BHP]

wisbech said:

Good news, immigration is now negative! (of HNWI)

But is that definition of HNWI really indicative of much?

My pensioner next door neighbour probably falls into that bracket due to property and pension and she doesn't have money to splash around.

[Killboy]

272BHP said:

But is that definition of HNWI really indicative of much?

My pensioner next door neighbour probably falls into that bracket due to property and pension and she doesn't have money to splash around.

Then she's not a HNWI.

[Getragdogleg]

How many of those HNWI that left the UK are Russian ?

How has Brexit put countries like China and India's losses of HNWI at higher than ours ?

[Nomme de Plum]

Getragdogleg said:

How many of those HNWI that left the UK are Russian ?

How has Brexit put countries like China and India's losses of HNWI at higher than ours ?

Possibly because they both have populations of 1.4Bn and we are 68M.

[Nomme de Plum]

Vanden Saab said:

Hmm is this because of Brexit or is it the highest taxes since God knows when and the ending of non-dom.. answers on a postcard to
Everything is the fault of Brexit
Desperation St
Br16 8yo
. oh wait you actually believed Labour when they said no HNW individuals would leave. Mind you the LSe said less than 100 would leave so back to the drawing board for them too...
https://www.lse.ac.uk/News/Latest-news-from-LSE/20...

Maybe in that parallel universe where we didn't leave the Eu none of the catestrophic cock ups the Tories would have happened and we would still have had a moderate maybe coalition government. with a growing GDP and the nirvanah of better productivity therefore no need for tax rises.

[crankedup5]

Nomme de Plum said:

Vanden Saab said:

Hmm is this because of Brexit or is it the highest taxes since God knows when and the ending of non-dom.. answers on a postcard to
Everything is the fault of Brexit
Desperation St
Br16 8yo
. oh wait you actually believed Labour when they said no HNW individuals would leave. Mind you the LSe said less than 100 would leave so back to the drawing board for them too...
https://www.lse.ac.uk/News/Latest-news-from-LSE/20...

Maybe in that parallel universe where we didn't leave the Eu none of the catestrophic cock ups the Tories would have happened and we would still have had a moderate maybe coalition government. with a growing GDP and the nirvanah of better productivity therefore no need for tax rises.

Yup, and Germany & France would still be doing so well.

[Vanden Saab]

Nomme de Plum said:

Vanden Saab said:

Hmm is this because of Brexit or is it the highest taxes since God knows when and the ending of non-dom.. answers on a postcard to
Everything is the fault of Brexit
Desperation St
Br16 8yo
. oh wait you actually believed Labour when they said no HNW individuals would leave. Mind you the LSe said less than 100 would leave so back to the drawing board for them too...
https://www.lse.ac.uk/News/Latest-news-from-LSE/20...

Maybe in that parallel universe where we didn't leave the Eu none of the catestrophic cock ups the Tories would have happened and we would still have had a moderate maybe coalition government. with a growing GDP and the nirvanah of better productivity therefore no need for tax rises.

And in the real world Germany has shown us what a moderate coalition government without any apparent cock ups would do by staying in the EU.
You are really not helping yourself here.

[540TORQUES]

Nomme de Plum said:

Maybe in that parallel universe where we didn't leave the Eu none of the catestrophic cock ups the Tories would have happened and we would still have had a moderate maybe coalition government. with a growing GDP and the nirvanah of better productivity therefore no need for tax rises.

The coalition government ended because the Lib Dems got their arse handed to them after reneging on their policy promises when power came knocking, there was also the promise to hold a referendum made, which knocked UKIP's vote in the GE on the head. Without that promise it may well have been a hung parliament at best, or even a labour government under the communist utopia of magic grandpa and john with his little red book.

[crankedup5]

Brexit - was it worth it ? hell yes.

[braddo]

crankedup5 said:

Brexit - was it worth it ? hell yes.

Astonishing.

A small consolation is that such wilfully stupid opinions are now in a clear minority in the UK population. But unfortunately, nothing can undo the damage Brexit has done to the UK in the past several years (wealth, economic growth, governance, reputation etc etc) and which will continue to stunt the UK's growth for at least a generation.

[redback911]

It's as if he had no idea what he was campaigning for.

[Killboy]

redback911 said:

It's as if he had no idea what he was campaigning for.

Mr "The queues will be at Calais not Dover"!

[Mortarboard]

braddo said:

crankedup5 said:

Brexit - was it worth it ? hell yes.

Astonishing.

A small consolation is that such wilfully stupid opinions are now in a clear minority in the UK population. But unfortunately, nothing can undo the damage Brexit has done to the UK in the past several years (wealth, economic growth, governance, reputation etc etc) and which will continue to stunt the UK's growth for at least a generation.

Shhhhhh. It's faith based. Part of the "2 percenters"

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/overview/survey-result...

M.