Brexit - was it worth it? (Vol. 4)

[crankedup5]

braddo said:

crankedup5 said:

Brexit - was it worth it ? hell yes.

Astonishing.

A small consolation is that such wilfully stupid opinions are now in a clear minority in the UK population. But unfortunately, nothing can undo the damage Brexit has done to the UK in the past several years (wealth, economic growth, governance, reputation etc etc) and which will continue to stunt the UK's growth for at least a generation.

Suggest you have a look around the World, especially Europe! it will help you find a balanced view of reality.

[braddo]

crankedup5 said:

Suggest you have a look around the World, especially Europe! it will help you find a balanced view of reality.

That's exactly what I do. I'm not sure what strange prism you observe the world through but it sure ain't reality.

Edited to add a little example for you to ponder - which world leaders thought Brexit would be a good idea?

Vladimir Putin
Donald Trump
Tony Abbott (Australia's stupidest ever prime minister)

Any others? Viktor Orban perhaps?

Edited by braddo on Friday 12th April 15:34

[crankedup5]

braddo said:

crankedup5 said:

Suggest you have a look around the World, especially Europe! it will help you find a balanced view of reality.

That's exactly what I do. I'm not sure what strange prism you observe the world through but it sure ain't reality.

Edited to add a little example for you to ponder - which world leaders thought Brexit would be a good idea?

Vladimir Putin
Donald Trump
Tony Abbott (Australia's stupidest ever prime minister)

Any others? Viktor Orban perhaps?

Edited by braddo on Friday 12th April 15:34

look at the state of Europe and then tell me that all OK. The U.K. is doing just fine relative to Germany and France which we have been compared for decades.

[chrispmartha]

crankedup5 said:

braddo said:

crankedup5 said:

Suggest you have a look around the World, especially Europe! it will help you find a balanced view of reality.

That's exactly what I do. I'm not sure what strange prism you observe the world through but it sure ain't reality.

Edited to add a little example for you to ponder - which world leaders thought Brexit would be a good idea?

Vladimir Putin
Donald Trump
Tony Abbott (Australia's stupidest ever prime minister)

Any others? Viktor Orban perhaps?

Edited by braddo on Friday 12th April 15:34

look at the state of Europe and then tell me that all OK. The U.K. is doing just fine relative to Germany and France which we have been compared for decades.

Fine in what sense?

The country (uk) is in a complete mess Cranked.

[crankedup5]

chrispmartha said:

crankedup5 said:

braddo said:

crankedup5 said:

Suggest you have a look around the World, especially Europe! it will help you find a balanced view of reality.

That's exactly what I do. I'm not sure what strange prism you observe the world through but it sure ain't reality.

Edited to add a little example for you to ponder - which world leaders thought Brexit would be a good idea?

Vladimir Putin
Donald Trump
Tony Abbott (Australia's stupidest ever prime minister)

Any others? Viktor Orban perhaps?

Edited by braddo on Friday 12th April 15:34

look at the state of Europe and then tell me that all OK. The U.K. is doing just fine relative to Germany and France which we have been compared for decades.

Fine in what sense?

The country (uk) is in a complete mess Cranked.

It’s all relative which is what I said, its why I suggest looking at France Germany as a comparator.
We can pay our bills and the inflation rate.has dropped to less than half of last year, and is still dropping. BOE rate set to reduce this Summer. Some way to go but the U.K. outlook improving.
Our unemployment rate is significantly lower than France/ Germany.

[Mortarboard]

So the uk should not be considered a global leader, just a regional European leader?
Didn't see that on the bus...

If the UK was being held back by the shackles of EU membership, its fortunes should be rising against all compatable countries, Shirley?

M.

[540TORQUES]

Mortarboard said:

So the uk should not be considered a global leader, just a regional European leader?
Didn't see that on the bus...

If the UK was being held back by the shackles of EU membership, its fortunes should be rising against all compatable countries, Shirley?

M.

That doesn't follow, various regions have their time in the sun and Europes is over when compared to other regions that are becoming the next high growth locations or have access to cheap energy.

The next century will not be Europes, this is why it's important to engage with those that will see high growth and maximise what expertise we do have that is valuable to those growing regions and nations.

Matching countries like Germany is not good enough because their economic model is now doomed. UK needs to look outside Europe or it's going to suffer a similar fate.

The next 20 years will be USA market dominant due to their cheap energy and onshoring manufacturing, China will st the bed, the Pacific region and India should be high growth then Africa will finally boom.

[crankedup5]

540TORQUES said:

Mortarboard said:

So the uk should not be considered a global leader, just a regional European leader?
Didn't see that on the bus...

If the UK was being held back by the shackles of EU membership, its fortunes should be rising against all compatable countries, Shirley?

M.

That doesn't follow, various regions have their time in the sun and Europes is over when compared to other regions that are becoming the next high growth locations or have access to cheap energy.

The next century will not be Europes, this is why it's important to engage with those that will see high growth and maximise what expertise we do have that is valuable to those growing regions and nations.

Matching countries like Germany is not good enough because their economic model is now doomed. UK needs to look outside Europe or it's going to suffer a similar fate.

The next 20 years will be USA market dominant due to their cheap energy and onshoring manufacturing, China will st the bed, the Pacific region and India should be high growth then Africa will finally boom.

Yup, the emerging markets, getting in with trad deals early is to our advantage, obviously.

[Mortarboard]

Funny guys.

You do know that the UK could have traded with these emerging powerhouses, without burning trade with the uk, right?

And if you couldn't "out-trade" EU members while in the EU, what has happened with brexit that makes you think the UK can "out-trade" them now?

M.

[540TORQUES]

Mortarboard said:

Funny guys.

You do know that the UK could have traded with these emerging powerhouses, without burning trade with the uk, right?

M.

You what?

[Mortarboard]

540TORQUES said:

You what?

Really? You think you need to leave the EU to trade with a country?

Lord, no wonder brexit is such a balls-up.

M.

[Deesee]

Mortarboard said:

Funny guys.

You do know that the UK could have traded with these emerging powerhouses, without burning trade with the uk, right?

And if you couldn't "out-trade" EU members while in the EU, what has happened with brexit that makes you think the UK can "out-trade" them now?

M.

EU trade is up ‘M’. For UK EU exports post Brexit.

Tell me does this EU single market entity need our services?

Have not Dublin, Frankfurt and Milan got this covered..

[Mortarboard]

Deesee said:

EU trade is up ‘M’. For UK EU exports post Brexit.

Tell me does this EU single market entity need our services?

Have not Dublin, Frankfurt and Milan got this covered..

Now adjust for inflation and currency movements and get back to me....

M.

[Deesee]

Mortarboard said:

Deesee said:

EU trade is up ‘M’. For UK EU exports post Brexit.

Tell me does this EU single market entity need our services?

Have not Dublin, Frankfurt and Milan got this covered..

Now adjust for inflation and currency movements and get back to me....

M.

Yawn..

M why is the single market not moving financial services to the single market (let alone the eurozone)..

How can the UK financial markets be better positioned post Brexit?

[Mortarboard]

These financial services, that aren't covered by brexit, nor affected by brexit?

That's what you think you needed brexit for?

Not sure you've thought that one through, tbh.

M.

[braddo]

crankedup5 said:

look at the state of Europe and then tell me that all OK. The U.K. is doing just fine relative to Germany and France which we have been compared for decades.

Dodging an answer, as expected. Heaven forbid you actually think about an answer and confront your delusions.

[Deesee]

Mortarboard said:

These financial services, that aren't covered by brexit, nor affected by brexit?

That's what you think you needed brexit for?

Not sure you've thought that one through, tbh.

M.

Brexit..

Err..

EU have made deal with UK/UK have made deal with EU..

UK exports to EU up

UK exports to ROW up

UK imports from EU up

UK imports from ROW up

?Trade?

Seems like a huge issue for the UK.. luckily for the EU the powerhouses of Romania/Ireland/etc will deliver the budget deficits.

[540TORQUES]

Mortarboard said:

540TORQUES said:

You what?

Really? You think you need to leave the EU to trade with a country?

Lord, no wonder brexit is such a balls-up.

M.

Slow down and read what you typed. It was gibberish.

[crankedup5]

braddo said:

crankedup5 said:

look at the state of Europe and then tell me that all OK. The U.K. is doing just fine relative to Germany and France which we have been compared for decades.

Dodging an answer, as expected. Heaven forbid you actually think about an answer and confront your delusions.

You had the answer, because you don’t like it doesn’t make the answer incorrect.

[Mortarboard]

Deesee said:

Brexit..

Err..

EU have made deal with UK/UK have made deal with EU..

UK exports to EU up

UK exports to ROW up

UK imports from EU up

UK imports from ROW up

?Trade?

Seems like a huge issue for the UK.. luckily for the EU the powerhouses of Romania/Ireland/etc will deliver the budget deficits.

We've already had this. It's due to services trade.

That hasn't changed since you last posted this to "prove" brexit is good...

M.