Brexit - was it worth it? (Vol. 4)
Discussion
Mortarboard said:
Dude, you claimed the reach out over youth mobility was started by the EU, posting a picture referring to the EU decision to start negotiations.
That notice included an faq noting that this was in response to the UK reaching out initially.
Merely proving my point about certain posters using pictures rather than links, to further their efforts at deception!
So live up to your username...
M.
It did, the UK only suggested a deal with a select few eu states where the exchange would be to both parties mutual advantage. The eu got scared it was being bypassed and many eu countries would be left out and made an offer to include all eu countries.That notice included an faq noting that this was in response to the UK reaching out initially.
Merely proving my point about certain posters using pictures rather than links, to further their efforts at deception!
So live up to your username...
M.
Let's see where the negotiations go as this is just the opening round.
Vanden Saab said:
It did, the UK only suggested a deal with a select few eu states where the exchange would be to both parties mutual advantage. The eu got scared it was being bypassed and many eu countries would be left out and made an offer to include all eu countries.
Let's see where the negotiations go as this is just the opening round.
Let’s hope it gets agreed. Would be a start at least to moving things in the right direction. Let's see where the negotiations go as this is just the opening round.
If free movement is good for young people, why wouldn't it be good for everyone? Sure, it's an improvement on today's situation regarding movement between the UK and EU, but if you're admitting that, then you're also admitting that the pre-2020 situation was better still.
What was the point of Brexit and all this again? We've taken 10 steps back, and now we've made one forward.
What was the point of Brexit and all this again? We've taken 10 steps back, and now we've made one forward.
CivicDuties said:
If free movement is good for young people, why wouldn't it be good for everyone? Sure, it's an improvement on today's situation regarding movement between the UK and EU, but if you're admitting that, then you're also admitting that the pre-2020 situation was better still.
What was the point of Brexit and all this again? We've taken 10 steps back, and now we've made one forward.
It’s not good for young working people, minimum wage has increased substantially for them since 2016..What was the point of Brexit and all this again? We've taken 10 steps back, and now we've made one forward.
We don’t have a youth unemployment issue like the EU.
Less than 1% of the UK population have taken advantage of freedom of movement yet our population inwards is up some 12m since 2016.
Any EU youths taken in need to be balanced off by UK youths out and or retirements . Visas work for everyone else.
Edit, population since 2008, completely wrong time line.. (apologies).
Edited by Deesee on Friday 19th April 09:19
I'd support a one in-one out policy as part of a freedom of movement deal with the EU. It's called control and this proves we have taken this back!
In fact, if the EU hadn't been so arrogant in the Feb 2016 negotiations something like the above could easily have swung the outcome to remain.
However, if I were the Government I would continue these conversations with individual like minded countries as this is their gift and not the EU's. The EU has a youth unemployment problem, the UK doesn't. We can take our time with this and be picky...
In fact, if the EU hadn't been so arrogant in the Feb 2016 negotiations something like the above could easily have swung the outcome to remain.
However, if I were the Government I would continue these conversations with individual like minded countries as this is their gift and not the EU's. The EU has a youth unemployment problem, the UK doesn't. We can take our time with this and be picky...
PlywoodPascal said:
Never mind the young people, I want my right to free movement and freedom to work in eu back too.
Let’s face it, if they can introduce it, as soon as young people face timing out on it, pressure to extend to all ages will begin to build anyway. May as well just sort it all out now.
How would this stand legally restricting movement based on age, I am pretty sure age is a protected characteristic which you cant discriminate against. In fact its top of the relevant .gov website when you do a search for protected characteristics.Let’s face it, if they can introduce it, as soon as young people face timing out on it, pressure to extend to all ages will begin to build anyway. May as well just sort it all out now.
https://www.gov.uk/discrimination-your-rights#:~:t...
Im a member of the armed forces and they have just had there arses handed to them on a plate with regards to our pension when they tried to discriminate against people based on age, same as the judges as well. Why should the freedom of movement be restricted by age.
Deesee said:
It’s not good for young working people, minimum wage has increased substantially for them since 2016..
We don’t have a youth unemployment issue like the EU.
Less than 1% of the UK population have taken advantage of freedom of movement yet our population inwards is up some 12m since 2016.
Any EU youths taken in need to be balanced off by UK youths out and or retirements . Visas work for everyone else.
Edit, population since 2008, completely wrong time line.. (apologies).
Yes. EU youths need this far more than UK.We don’t have a youth unemployment issue like the EU.
Less than 1% of the UK population have taken advantage of freedom of movement yet our population inwards is up some 12m since 2016.
Any EU youths taken in need to be balanced off by UK youths out and or retirements . Visas work for everyone else.
Edit, population since 2008, completely wrong time line.. (apologies).
Edited by Deesee on Friday 19th April 09:19
Brussels badly needs this deal to happen.
CivicDuties said:
If free movement is good for young people, why wouldn't it be good for everyone? Sure, it's an improvement on today's situation regarding movement between the UK and EU, but if you're admitting that, then you're also admitting that the pre-2020 situation was better still.
What was the point of Brexit and all this again? We've taken 10 steps back, and now we've made one forward.
This is not free movement it is a time limited concession to allow young people to study and work in other countries.What was the point of Brexit and all this again? We've taken 10 steps back, and now we've made one forward.
Vanden Saab said:
CivicDuties said:
If free movement is good for young people, why wouldn't it be good for everyone? Sure, it's an improvement on today's situation regarding movement between the UK and EU, but if you're admitting that, then you're also admitting that the pre-2020 situation was better still.
What was the point of Brexit and all this again? We've taken 10 steps back, and now we've made one forward.
This is not free movement it is a time limited concession to allow young people to study and work in other countries.What was the point of Brexit and all this again? We've taken 10 steps back, and now we've made one forward.
MB140 said:
PlywoodPascal said:
Never mind the young people, I want my right to free movement and freedom to work in eu back too.
Let’s face it, if they can introduce it, as soon as young people face timing out on it, pressure to extend to all ages will begin to build anyway. May as well just sort it all out now.
How would this stand legally restricting movement based on age, I am pretty sure age is a protected characteristic which you cant discriminate against. In fact its top of the relevant .gov website when you do a search for protected characteristics.Let’s face it, if they can introduce it, as soon as young people face timing out on it, pressure to extend to all ages will begin to build anyway. May as well just sort it all out now.
https://www.gov.uk/discrimination-your-rights#:~:t...
Im a member of the armed forces and they have just had there arses handed to them on a plate with regards to our pension when they tried to discriminate against people based on age, same as the judges as well. Why should the freedom of movement be restricted by age.
Why would the EU start offering a fig leaf to the U.K. ?
Vanden Saab said:
CivicDuties said:
If free movement is good for young people, why wouldn't it be good for everyone? Sure, it's an improvement on today's situation regarding movement between the UK and EU, but if you're admitting that, then you're also admitting that the pre-2020 situation was better still.
What was the point of Brexit and all this again? We've taken 10 steps back, and now we've made one forward.
This is not free movement it is a time limited concession to allow young people to study and work in other countries.What was the point of Brexit and all this again? We've taken 10 steps back, and now we've made one forward.
"The mobility to the Union is only exercised in the Member State that admitted the United Kingdom national, i.e. the admission by one Member State does not allow for “intra-Union” mobility to another Member State."
Deesee said:
The EU only have 1 university in the top 10 in ‘Europe’, and 2 of the top 50 in the world.
Any guesses where 8 of the top 10 are in ‘Europe’?
Do we think the EU secretly misses the UK ?Any guesses where 8 of the top 10 are in ‘Europe’?
Brussels will be the biggest winner with this under 30 deal, yet it could be contested due to age discrimination.
sparta6 said:
Deesee said:
The EU only have 1 university in the top 10 in ‘Europe’, and 2 of the top 50 in the world.
Any guesses where 8 of the top 10 are in ‘Europe’?
Do we think the EU secretly misses the UK ?Any guesses where 8 of the top 10 are in ‘Europe’?
Brussels will be the biggest winner with this under 30 deal, yet it could be contested due to age discrimination.
& yes they certainly miss the cash from GPD/GNI ongoing and there cut of the Vat and customs charges..
What we've done with Brexit is this. We've burnt down our house without an insurance policy in place, and are now rebuilding it, brick by brick, as and when we think we can afford a brick. Meanwhile, we're living in a tent in the garden.
It's been an absolutely pointless exercise, actually it's been worse than pointless.
It's been an absolutely pointless exercise, actually it's been worse than pointless.
Deesee said:
The EU only have 1 university in the top 10 in ‘Europe’, and 2 of the top 50 in the world.
Any guesses where 8 of the top 10 are in ‘Europe’?
Based on that the UK must be the technical, engineering, and manufacturing giant of Europe. Except it's not. Guess what the ST index is designed to favour the university structure of the UK and US. Any guesses where 8 of the top 10 are in ‘Europe’?
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