Brexit - was it worth it? (Vol. 4)
Discussion
Vasco said:
Ridgemont said:
London424 said:
https://twitter.com/guyverhofstadt/status/16174759...
Interesting French - German declaration on the way forward for the EU.
Some interesting stuff in there..Interesting French - German declaration on the way forward for the EU.
“For the short term, we need to widen the fields where qualified majority voting applies in the Council to overcome the deadlocks that have been observed, such as on certain areas of Common Foreign and Security Policy and taxation”
Yep. No thanks!
blueg33 said:
Vasco said:
blueg33 said:
Vasco said:
turbobloke said:
Consequences of the democratic outcome of a lawful referendum. Fundamental.
You don't like it? At this point, lump it. Years of whining have achieved nothing, more years of whining will achieve the same, and can be seen as talking the UK down. Great.
As to so-called splits, pro this and anti EU that, if the EU had got its sorry act together, and enough people saw it as a good thing overall, we'd still be in. We're out.
Thank EU for brexit.
Best post on here for a while.You don't like it? At this point, lump it. Years of whining have achieved nothing, more years of whining will achieve the same, and can be seen as talking the UK down. Great.
As to so-called splits, pro this and anti EU that, if the EU had got its sorry act together, and enough people saw it as a good thing overall, we'd still be in. We're out.
Thank EU for brexit.
As for the last sentence, so many of the “issues” with the EU are total b
ks made up by the media and swallowed by the gullible. It must be nice to know that your version of EU 'issues' is right, correct, true.........
Who is it that's gullible...??....
Vasco said:
Ah, so the 'issues' are made up by the media.
Over the many, many years, a significant proportion have turned out to be complete fabrication and falsehoods, yes. That seems to be an observation of empirical reality. Repeating "well we've left and that's good and we're independent and sovereign now so there" every five minutes isn't really contributing anything, in fact it's basically spam at this point. I may vehemently disagree with posters like Vanden Saab on many of the issues and perspectives being discussed here but at least he's not screeching "we've won, get over it" into the void at random intervals like some sort of derange Brexiteer Furby.
Edited by HM-2 on Monday 23 January 21:33
HM-2 said:
Vasco said:
Ah, so the 'issues' are made up by the media.
Over the many, many years, a significant proportion have turned out to be complete fabrication and falsehoods, yes. That seems to be an observation of empirical reality. Repeating "well we've left and that's good and we're independent and sovereign now so there" every five minutes isn't really contributing anything, in fact it's basically spam at this point. I may vehemently disagree with posters like Vanden Saab on many of the issues and perspectives being discussed here but at least he's not screeching "we've won, get over it" into the void at random intervals like some sort of derange Brexiteer Furby.
Edited by HM-2 on Monday 23 January 21:33
It’s still a total disaster
Zero benefits
You were played by Johnson & his chums, where are they now? History.
We told you so…
Come on now you Berxiteers, deliver something, You can’t.
More than half of the population have no interest in making it work.
Hopefully Starmers illogical noises are just a ruse to ensure total tory wipeout. When he inevitably wins a large majority he will change tack & focus upon closer ties with the eu.
Zero benefits
You were played by Johnson & his chums, where are they now? History.
We told you so…
Come on now you Berxiteers, deliver something, You can’t.
More than half of the population have no interest in making it work.
Hopefully Starmers illogical noises are just a ruse to ensure total tory wipeout. When he inevitably wins a large majority he will change tack & focus upon closer ties with the eu.
James6112 said:
It’s still a total disaster
Zero benefits
You were played by Johnson & his chums, where are they now? History.
We told you so…
Come on now you Berxiteers, deliver something, You can’t.
More than half of the population have no interest in making it work.
Hopefully Starmers illogical noises are just a ruse to ensure total tory wipeout. When he inevitably wins a large majority he will change tack & focus upon closer ties with the eu.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/remainers-ex...Zero benefits
You were played by Johnson & his chums, where are they now? History.
We told you so…
Come on now you Berxiteers, deliver something, You can’t.
More than half of the population have no interest in making it work.
Hopefully Starmers illogical noises are just a ruse to ensure total tory wipeout. When he inevitably wins a large majority he will change tack & focus upon closer ties with the eu.
CBI boss said:
CBI boss Tony Danker has slammed Remainers for "false advocacy", rejecting calls to rejoin the European Union. The Director General of the Confederation of British Industry said he does not "advocate" for rejoining the EU, saying the UK's leave vote was a "choice made by the British people to say we want to be sovereign". He dismissed the suggestion that the UK economy won't be able to "thrive again" after Brexit, describing it as being "false bits of advocacy"
He must have been reading this thread.
James6112 said:
It’s still a total disaster
Zero benefits
You were played by Johnson & his chums, where are they now? History.
We told you so…
Come on now you Berxiteers, deliver something, You can’t.
More than half of the population have no interest in making it work.
Hopefully Starmers illogical noises are just a ruse to ensure total tory wipeout. When he inevitably wins a large majority he will change tack & focus upon closer ties with the eu.
Bonkers.Zero benefits
You were played by Johnson & his chums, where are they now? History.
We told you so…
Come on now you Berxiteers, deliver something, You can’t.
More than half of the population have no interest in making it work.
Hopefully Starmers illogical noises are just a ruse to ensure total tory wipeout. When he inevitably wins a large majority he will change tack & focus upon closer ties with the eu.
As you say, half the population have no interest in making it work - still sulking, they should win a medal. So, they just make matters worse - and then have the cheek to blame others.
By the way, nobody will be taking the UK back into the EU. Sorry if you ever thought otherwise.
Vanden Saab said:
James6112 said:
It’s still a total disaster
Zero benefits
You were played by Johnson & his chums, where are they now? History.
We told you so…
Come on now you Berxiteers, deliver something, You can’t.
More than half of the population have no interest in making it work.
Hopefully Starmers illogical noises are just a ruse to ensure total tory wipeout. When he inevitably wins a large majority he will change tack & focus upon closer ties with the eu.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/remainers-ex...Zero benefits
You were played by Johnson & his chums, where are they now? History.
We told you so…
Come on now you Berxiteers, deliver something, You can’t.
More than half of the population have no interest in making it work.
Hopefully Starmers illogical noises are just a ruse to ensure total tory wipeout. When he inevitably wins a large majority he will change tack & focus upon closer ties with the eu.
CBI boss said:
CBI boss Tony Danker has slammed Remainers for "false advocacy", rejecting calls to rejoin the European Union. The Director General of the Confederation of British Industry said he does not "advocate" for rejoining the EU, saying the UK's leave vote was a "choice made by the British people to say we want to be sovereign". He dismissed the suggestion that the UK economy won't be able to "thrive again" after Brexit, describing it as being "false bits of advocacy"
He must have been reading this thread.
Besides, I don't think James6112 ever mentioned rejoining, did he?
Vasco said:
So, they just make matters worse - and then have the cheek to blame others.
"Brexit is a failure and it's all remainers fault" again 
GetCarter said:
Britain has dropped from the 5th largest exporter in the world to the 14th since the Brexit vote.
In Europe, we went from 2nd to 5th since Brexit (2016 to 2021) and the trend shows we were continuing to drop down the list in 2022.Even with all this evidence I'm still amazed to see people saying "Yup, I'd still vote for Brexit" on the thread, a complete absence of critical thinking.
Most of the remainers I know a reasonably senior in their businesses, are running businesses and managing the impacts of Brexit across that business.
Most of the leavers I know, are retired and don't appear to give a fk about the impacts of Brexit.
Ergo - it seems to be the remainers who are having to sort out the st storm created by those that don't have to deal with it and are largely insulated from it too.
Most of the leavers I know, are retired and don't appear to give a f
k about the impacts of Brexit.Ergo - it seems to be the remainers who are having to sort out the s
t storm created by those that don't have to deal with it and are largely insulated from it too.Vasco said:
Bonkers.
As you say, half the population have no interest in making it work - still sulking, they should win a medal. So, they just make matters worse - and then have the cheek to blame others.
By the way, nobody will be taking the UK back into the EU. Sorry if you ever thought otherwise.
Do you really see half the population sulking and having no interest in making things better? I think there’s an awful lot of people who feel let down, many who voted leave and who can blame them?As you say, half the population have no interest in making it work - still sulking, they should win a medal. So, they just make matters worse - and then have the cheek to blame others.
By the way, nobody will be taking the UK back into the EU. Sorry if you ever thought otherwise.
We were told we’d have a US trade deal, though we are bling even negotiating one, we were also told the Irish border would not be a problem. Apparently it was going to solve immigration, though it’s got worse and of course we would have more to spend on the NHS, it’s on its knees.
We need to accept that Brexit is a mess and from there start doing something about it, the Tories have reached the point of no return so my hope is that the opposition parties start to take control of the narrative, despite the hard liners on here, most people know it’s not going well and want to see something done about it.
redback911 said:
In Europe, we went from 2nd to 5th since Brexit (2016 to 2021) and the trend shows we were continuing to drop down the list in 2022.
Even with all this evidence I'm still amazed to see people saying "Yup, I'd still vote for Brexit" on the thread, a complete absence of critical thinking.
Beautiful. You get what you vote for. Even with all this evidence I'm still amazed to see people saying "Yup, I'd still vote for Brexit" on the thread, a complete absence of critical thinking.
sugerbear said:
Your regular reminder (for the true believer)
The EU wont be around in 12 months.
It's all the fault of Remoaners.
It's not the Brexit we voted for
It's all the fault of the EU
Sovereignty!!!
You missedThe EU wont be around in 12 months.
It's all the fault of Remoaners.
It's not the Brexit we voted for
It's all the fault of the EU
Sovereignty!!!
Business leaders don't know what they are doing
War in Ukraine
Pandemic
turbobloke said:
Vasco said:
Ridgemont said:
London424 said:
https://twitter.com/guyverhofstadt/status/16174759...
Interesting French - German declaration on the way forward for the EU.
Some interesting stuff in there..Interesting French - German declaration on the way forward for the EU.
“For the short term, we need to widen the fields where qualified majority voting applies in the Council to overcome the deadlocks that have been observed, such as on certain areas of Common Foreign and Security Policy and taxation”
Yep. No thanks!
There are plenty of other areas that the EU needs to adapt if it is to even remotely make a success of "ever closer union" and the path it has set itself on since 1992.
Personally, I think it's a good thing that a couple of the big players are being more open about this. The devil, as ever, will be in the detail and whether they can get any sort of agreement from all member states.
Our own position when members, and the way a number of countries take the piss with the "rules" shone a bit of a light on how much of a "union" it really is. But if they can get all member states along for the ride, then hats off to them and bon chance.
Killboy said:
redback911 said:
In Europe, we went from 2nd to 5th since Brexit (2016 to 2021) and the trend shows we were continuing to drop down the list in 2022.
Even with all this evidence I'm still amazed to see people saying "Yup, I'd still vote for Brexit" on the thread, a complete absence of critical thinking.
Beautiful. You get what you vote for. Even with all this evidence I'm still amazed to see people saying "Yup, I'd still vote for Brexit" on the thread, a complete absence of critical thinking.
https://unctad.org/topic/trade-analysis/chart-10-m...
I am currently in France, frankly I think the UK is doing pretty well.
Food is crazy expensive, £10 for a pack of mince, £12+ for a chicken. A couple of nice steaks you can easily spend £30. Fruit and veg is eye watering, half a dozen apples £4. Similar for pears. Oranges £5-6 for a small bag. The only thing thats "cheap" is bread and wine and even then the wine is not much cheaper than the UK. Our weekly shop here is £150 ish I would say. In the UK its less than £100 probably close on £80.
Fuel is £1.80/L, over £2 on the motorways. Electric is cheaper though, by about 25% I would say.
Most restaurants open for 2 to 3 hours in the evening maybe 4 or 5 nights a week. Fast food like Mcdonalds (not all but some) close at 7pm. £1.19 cheese burger in the UK is £4 in France.
Power cuts are not unusual we have had 2 in the last 3 weeks. Internet also went down for 3 days. Post is twice weekly. Bins emptied every 3-4 weeks, if they turn up. You have to take a lot of recyclable stuff yourself to a local town drop off point.
Getting anything done needs planning, most shops and retail places shut for 2 hours in the middle of the day but at variable times. Not open particularly late either, most stuff is shut between 6 and 7pm. Speed cameras and police absolutely everywhere, I am in the middle of no where and obviously crime is pretty low so the local police set up speed traps most days. Speed limit signs are sometimes very lacking. National limit has been reduced to 50mph in rural areas. Very little allowance for speeding and its a 70 euro on the spot fine.
The UK is a not doing bad. Not particularly expensive, access to most businesses 7 days a week, good services and you want a pizza at 1am then no problem. Order something online and it arrives next day. Etc etc.
If the UK could sort out its crime problem and make the roads smooth like here in France I think we would have it pretty good!!
Food is crazy expensive, £10 for a pack of mince, £12+ for a chicken. A couple of nice steaks you can easily spend £30. Fruit and veg is eye watering, half a dozen apples £4. Similar for pears. Oranges £5-6 for a small bag. The only thing thats "cheap" is bread and wine and even then the wine is not much cheaper than the UK. Our weekly shop here is £150 ish I would say. In the UK its less than £100 probably close on £80.
Fuel is £1.80/L, over £2 on the motorways. Electric is cheaper though, by about 25% I would say.
Most restaurants open for 2 to 3 hours in the evening maybe 4 or 5 nights a week. Fast food like Mcdonalds (not all but some) close at 7pm. £1.19 cheese burger in the UK is £4 in France.
Power cuts are not unusual we have had 2 in the last 3 weeks. Internet also went down for 3 days. Post is twice weekly. Bins emptied every 3-4 weeks, if they turn up. You have to take a lot of recyclable stuff yourself to a local town drop off point.
Getting anything done needs planning, most shops and retail places shut for 2 hours in the middle of the day but at variable times. Not open particularly late either, most stuff is shut between 6 and 7pm. Speed cameras and police absolutely everywhere, I am in the middle of no where and obviously crime is pretty low so the local police set up speed traps most days. Speed limit signs are sometimes very lacking. National limit has been reduced to 50mph in rural areas. Very little allowance for speeding and its a 70 euro on the spot fine.
The UK is a not doing bad. Not particularly expensive, access to most businesses 7 days a week, good services and you want a pizza at 1am then no problem. Order something online and it arrives next day. Etc etc.
If the UK could sort out its crime problem and make the roads smooth like here in France I think we would have it pretty good!!
blueg33 said:
crankedup5 said:
If your assertion is in any way true that the media fabricated issues and printed/voiced falsehoods regarding the EU, the question it’s raises is why?
Well that’s not hard!To sell newspapers to those who dislike foreigners
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