Russia Invades Ukraine. Volume 4

[CharlesdeGaulle]

There have been some extraordinary posts over the life of this thread but youngsyr has overtaken Cardigan Kid at the top of the leader board.

And, our belligerent friend, this place isn't really an echo chamber. There have been plenty of dissenting views at the strategic levels and the tactical, but one thing that has united virtually everyone, at least until you turned up, has been a concern for civilians, 'humanity' if you will. Your careless disregard for Ukraine's people does you no favours at all.

[youngsyr]

ben5575 said:

youngsyr said:

ben5575 said:

There's an assumption in your statement.

No, there isn't.

You've created one. I never said anything about capturing Ukraine. I specifically said "pulled out after 3 days".

There is no implication of capturing there. You created it.

Sorry, I appreciate that this is getting tedious for other posters.

'If Russia had pulled out after 3 days they would have been lifted'

^^^ there's your assumption.

Oh, I thought you were trying to argue that you had read my post properly and you were just mistaken about the capturing part.

Turns out you just didn't read my post properly.

So as I said, I can't really respond.

[BikeBikeBIke]

isaldiri said:

Distateful or not to acknowledge, people being massacred, raped, tortured and stolen have not particularly ever figured into geopolitical calculations either apart from their use in highlighting how evil the bad guys are if public support is required but otherwise ignored when it suits 'us' so arguably that's just the reality of the human nature.......

Rape, torture and murder is generally considered a bad thing.

HTH.

[MOTORVATOR]

youngsyr said:

MOTORVATOR said:

youngsyr said:

"We" don't need to do anything.

See how it works?

Forgive me for pointing out the bleedin’ obvious to you here but UK / FRA / USA / CH have a totally different (higher) responsibility in all of this than EU or NATO.

I'm afraid you're going to have to point out the "bleeding obvious", because I don't think there is.

I don’t care what you ‘think’. The nuclear security of the world relies upon five parties one of which has gone rogue and operating outside of agreed international borders.

Your answer to that appears to be that it’s all someone else’s problem to ensure there is no risk of expansion of a rather obvious threat.

[youngsyr]

CharlesdeGaulle said:

There have been some extraordinary posts over the life of this thread but youngsyr has overtaken Cardigan Kid at the top of the leader board.

And, our belligerent friend, this place isn't really an echo chamber. There have been plenty of dissenting views at the strategic levels and the tactical, but one thing that has united virtually everyone, at least until you turned up, has been a concern for civilians, 'humanity' if you will. Your careless disregard for Ukraine's people does you no favours at all.

How very noble of you all.

I suspect your concern for civilians isn't as strong for those in conflicts in other parts of the world though, which puts a bit of a dent in your shiny armour.

[Chimune]

youngsyr said:

And thats precisely my point, it isn't on our doorstep; it's 3.5 countries away, two of those are France and Germany.

Russia is zero threat to the UK.

Russian state actors attempted to ddos the entire higher education internet backbone a few weeks back via global botnet. They threw a lot of time and expertise at it too.

If you think russia is zero threat to the Uk, youre either not as clever as you think, or you are compromised.

Fwiw i dont think you are compromised.

[youngsyr]

MOTORVATOR said:

youngsyr said:

MOTORVATOR said:

youngsyr said:

"We" don't need to do anything.

See how it works?

Forgive me for pointing out the bleedin’ obvious to you here but UK / FRA / USA / CH have a totally different (higher) responsibility in all of this than EU or NATO.

I'm afraid you're going to have to point out the "bleeding obvious", because I don't think there is.

I don’t care what you ‘think’. The nuclear security of the world relies upon five parties one of which has gone rogue and operating outside of agreed international borders.

Your answer to that appears to be that it’s all someone else’s problem to ensure there is no risk of expansion of a rather obvious threat.

I'm not particularly bothered by what you think either, but here we are discussing the point.

I still don't think we have any higher responsibility than France, Germany, Poland and the EU and I've given my reasons why.

Russia won't use a strategic nuclear missile and even if they were intent on using one, there's very little that the UK could do to stop them.

Now you may disagree, but you don't have any more support for your opinion than I do.

[youngsyr]

Chimune said:

youngsyr said:

And thats precisely my point, it isn't on our doorstep; it's 3.5 countries away, two of those are France and Germany.

Russia is zero threat to the UK.

Russian state actors attempted to ddos the entire higher education internet backbone a few weeks back via global botnet. They threw a lot of time and expertise at it too.

If you think russia is zero threat to the Uk, youre either not as clever as you think, or you are compromised.

Fwiw i dont think you are compromised.

Interesting how the thinly veiled insults come out when someone points out the faults in the group think of the echo chamber, don't you think?

Reminds me of school mums and their gossipy little cliques in the playground at pick up time, but I digress.

You're missing the point that the UK is currently hostile to Russia. Dont you think they'd be less likely to attack us in any form if we were less supportive of Ukraine?

[ben5575]

youngsyr said:

Oh, I thought you were trying to argue that you had read my post properly and you were just mistaken about the capturing part.

Turns out you just didn't read my post properly.

So as I said, I can't really respond.

Oh I thought you had spent the best part of a day feeling all clever about yourself because you were calling out people's assumptions in an attempt to win the internet.

I was merely pointing out the irony of you basing your entire argument on one.

So as you say, you can't really respond.

I'm off out now to go see The Hives. Feel free to have the last word and enjoy your evening

[Prolex-UK]

youngsyr said:

CharlesdeGaulle said:

There have been some extraordinary posts over the life of this thread but youngsyr has overtaken Cardigan Kid at the top of the leader board.

And, our belligerent friend, this place isn't really an echo chamber. There have been plenty of dissenting views at the strategic levels and the tactical, but one thing that has united virtually everyone, at least until you turned up, has been a concern for civilians, 'humanity' if you will. Your careless disregard for Ukraine's people does you no favours at all.

How very noble of you all.

I suspect your concern for civilians isn't as strong for those in conflicts in other parts of the world though, which puts a bit of a dent in your shiny armour.

Did it come naturally to be so unpleasant or did you go to university?

[Chimune]

youngsyr said:

Chimune said:

youngsyr said:

And thats precisely my point, it isn't on our doorstep; it's 3.5 countries away, two of those are France and Germany.

Russia is zero threat to the UK.

Russian state actors attempted to ddos the entire higher education internet backbone a few weeks back via global botnet. They threw a lot of time and expertise at it too.

If you think russia is zero threat to the Uk, youre either not as clever as you think, or you are compromised.

Fwiw i dont think you are compromised.

You're missing the point that the UK is currently hostile to Russia. Dont you think they'd be less likely to attack us in any form if we were less supportive of Ukraine?

So they are a threat ??

[pinchmeimdreamin]

Guys please ignore him it’s getting boring now.

[hidetheelephants]

Chimune said:

So they are a threat ??

Careful, he'll accuse you of something he's doing again.

[youngsyr]

Chimune said:

youngsyr said:

Chimune said:

youngsyr said:

And thats precisely my point, it isn't on our doorstep; it's 3.5 countries away, two of those are France and Germany.

Russia is zero threat to the UK.

Russian state actors attempted to ddos the entire higher education internet backbone a few weeks back via global botnet. They threw a lot of time and expertise at it too.

If you think russia is zero threat to the Uk, youre either not as clever as you think, or you are compromised.

Fwiw i dont think you are compromised.

You're missing the point that the UK is currently hostile to Russia. Dont you think they'd be less likely to attack us in any form if we were less supportive of Ukraine?

So they are a threat ??

Nope. I didn't even know about that attack until you told me, so no, not threatening at all.

[Chimune]

youngsyr said:

Interesting how the thinly veiled insults come out when someone points out the faults in the group think of the echo chamber, don't you think?

Reminds me of school mums and their gossipy little cliques in the playground at pick up time, but I digress.

You're missing the point that the UK is currently hostile to Russia. Dont you think they'd be less likely to attack us in any form if we were less supportive of Ukraine?

Actually - while you are here, could you list the countries that - according to your understanding of the world, are actually a threat to the UK please ?

Tia.

[CharlesdeGaulle]

youngsyr said:

Nope. I didn't even know about that attack until you told me, so no, not threatening at all.

Definitely trolling, best ignored.

[W12GT]

MODS PLEASE - can someone step in and give youngsyr a ban because he’s obviously just here to cause trouble on what is a very serious thread.

[BikeBikeBIke]

bazza white said:

Video here of why the French need to get one over on Russia. I can see why African nations want France out but turning to Russia will have its own consequences.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiD24uEvY1U

Thanks what a superb video, I didn't know any of that.

The Franc CFA seems to be the answer to the SNP's prayers.

Peter Zeihan picks more motivation factors here:
https://youtu.be/bsU6gONt8Z8?si=tdFG19vnWuctjP4p

Looks like France have multiple reasons to get stuck into Russia.

[Chimune]

youngsyr said:

Chimune said:

youngsyr said:

Chimune said:

youngsyr said:

And thats precisely my point, it isn't on our doorstep; it's 3.5 countries away, two of those are France and Germany.

Russia is zero threat to the UK.

Russian state actors attempted to ddos the entire higher education internet backbone a few weeks back via global botnet. They threw a lot of time and expertise at it too.

If you think russia is zero threat to the Uk, youre either not as clever as you think, or you are compromised.

Fwiw i dont think you are compromised.

You're missing the point that the UK is currently hostile to Russia. Dont you think they'd be less likely to attack us in any form if we were less supportive of Ukraine?

So they are a threat ??

Nope. I didn't even know about that attack until you told me, so no, not threatening at all.

[BikeBikeBIke]

Chimune said:

So they are a threat ??

Mike drop.