Russia Invades Ukraine. Volume 4

[Oliver Hardy]

Hill92 said:

Oliver Hardy said:

CharlesdeGaulle said:

Oliver Hardy said:

When he was last in government he was cosying up to Russia, criticizing the last government for trying to strengthen Polands' military

I find that rather surprising. Got any links?

I will try and find some a bit later, if I recall rightly he was also against building the gas import facilities

There was the Baltic Pipe project which fell apart due to international partners pulling out in the wake of the global financial crisis. Tusk's government therefore switched to building a LNG import terminal without them. Denmark then later returned to the Baltic Pipe project and that was completed as well.

https://energia.rp.pl/komentarze-i-opinie/art38215...

He was also critical of Germany's reliance on Russia gas 10 years ago.

https://www.euractiv.com/section/energy/news/tusk-...

I can't find any links, it was a while ago 2015 I think, but maybe my mind is bubbled and i got it wrong.

[Oliver Hardy]

Posted this before

https://www.ft.com/content/98f15b60-bc4d-4d3c-9e57...

Note that there hasn't been any attacks within Russia this week I don't think

[Cheib]

BikeBikeBIke said:

300 ground to air missiles arriving sooner from France. Hopefully this equates to a couple of hundred Russian missiles that don't hit Ukrainian assets or people:

https://x.com/aidefranceukr/status/177426496253531...

Good to see Macron is delivering on some of his rhetoric….hopefully more to come….whilst France have delivered quality in terms of support why have given they’re a long way behind the UK and Germany in terms of quantity.

Does feel like Europe is finally getting its st together the Czech initiative to deliver artillery ammunition seems to be gaining momentum. They seem to have sourced a million shells now with money coming from multiple countires. Shame it has taken EU countries two years to get their heads round the fact they spending money outside the EU is okay….fking mind blowing that they have been so bloody minded to this point.

Article in The Times this morning about the impact Russian glide bombs are having…they’re being released 40 km out and air defences can’t do much about them. Those F 16’s are needed pronto. In the article they reported that Ukraine has lost two Patriot launchers…think we’ve seen footage of one. That would explain why more misssiles are hitting Ukrainian infrastructure/cities as there’s a need to protect the front line as well now.

Edited by Cheib on Sunday 31st March 17:33

[EddieSteadyGo]

Oliver Hardy said:

Posted this before

https://www.ft.com/content/98f15b60-bc4d-4d3c-9e57...

Note that there hasn't been any attacks within Russia this week I don't think

That's an interesting article which I hadn't seen. Hope you don't mind, but I added a non-paywalled link version below.

Must be very frustrating for Ukraine to be told it can't attack the most vulnerable parts of Russian infrastructure likely to generate the highest leverage.

https://archive.ph/JFdaS

[borcy]

Must be difficult for Ukr, they are left thinking what are we allowed to do? Although to be fair I can see it from the US gov's viewpoint, high prices at the pump make it more likely that Trump will win, then that'll hurt the Ukrainians as well even more than now.

[Bright Halo]

The combined western nations need to step up right now and give Ukraine the weapons and resources they need to end this war quickly.
The loss of life is horrendous.
Russia is not going to weaken any time soon and have mass internal industrial capacity all geared to supply weapons. This is backed up by supply from North Korea and Iran.
We need to get on with it before they start to overwhelm Ukraine.

[hidetheelephants]

EddieSteadyGo said:

Oliver Hardy said:

Posted this before

https://www.ft.com/content/98f15b60-bc4d-4d3c-9e57...

Note that there hasn't been any attacks within Russia this week I don't think

That's an interesting article which I hadn't seen. Hope you don't mind, but I added a non-paywalled link version below.

Must be very frustrating for Ukraine to be told it can't attack the most vulnerable parts of Russian infrastructure likely to generate the highest leverage.

https://archive.ph/JFdaS

Refinery attacks can't affect crude prices, they should continue attacking russian refinery capacity and fk their st up.

[BikeBikeBIke]

Oliver Hardy said:

Posted this before

https://www.ft.com/content/98f15b60-bc4d-4d3c-9e57...

Note that there hasn't been any attacks within Russia this week I don't think

The only direct quote from that article is:

“We do not encourage or enable attacks inside of Russia,”

That's nothing new, doesn't prohibit attack within Russia and doesn't specifically mention oil.

Seems to me nothing's changed and the refinery attacks continued for days after that article.

[BikeBikeBIke]

Bright Halo said:

The combined western nations need to step up right now and give Ukraine the weapons and resources they need to end this war quickly.
The loss of life is horrendous.
Russia is not going to weaken any time soon and have mass internal industrial capacity all geared to supply weapons. This is backed up by supply from North Korea and Iran.
We need to get on with it before they start to overwhelm Ukraine.

+1.

And it needs to be soon - even if it's agreed today there will be a lag in delivery. We're sleepwalking into a massive problem for Europe.

[isaldiri]

hidetheelephants said:

EddieSteadyGo said:

Oliver Hardy said:

Posted this before

https://www.ft.com/content/98f15b60-bc4d-4d3c-9e57...

Note that there hasn't been any attacks within Russia this week I don't think

That's an interesting article which I hadn't seen. Hope you don't mind, but I added a non-paywalled link version below.

Must be very frustrating for Ukraine to be told it can't attack the most vulnerable parts of Russian infrastructure likely to generate the highest leverage.

https://archive.ph/JFdaS

Refinery attacks can't affect crude prices, they should continue attacking russian refinery capacity and fk their st up.

Given US voters buy refined petroleum products that Russia tend to provide quite a large chunk of global supply, there just might be a reason why the US government has warned off Ukraine from continuing on that track...... Whether or not crude oil prices or refined supply being affected is causing prices to go up doesn't particularly matter to the politicians as long as it's perceived that ukrainian actions are the reason.

[B'stard Child]

isaldiri said:

Given US voters buy refined petroleum products that Russia tend to provide quite a large chunk of global supply, there just might be a reason why the US government has warned off Ukraine from continuing on that track...... Whether or not crude oil prices or refined supply being affected is causing prices to go up doesn't particularly matter to the politicians as long as it's perceived that ukrainian actions are the reason.

Isn’t the usa self sufficient for petroleum products - they can cut themselves off from external influences

[BikeBikeBIke]

B'stard Child said:

Isn’t the usa self sufficient for petroleum products - they can cut themselves off from external influences

It's a global market, so unless Biden wants to mess with free trade high energy prices affect America even for things they are self sufficient in.

I still don't think America have tried to stop these attacks. The only direct quote in the article says something very different that's not remotely news.

Edited by BikeBikeBIke on Sunday 31st March 22:09

[isaldiri]

B'stard Child said:

isaldiri said:

Given US voters buy refined petroleum products that Russia tend to provide quite a large chunk of global supply, there just might be a reason why the US government has warned off Ukraine from continuing on that track...... Whether or not crude oil prices or refined supply being affected is causing prices to go up doesn't particularly matter to the politicians as long as it's perceived that ukrainian actions are the reason.

Isn’t the usa self sufficient for petroleum products - they can cut themselves off from external influences

They are net petroleum (ie crude and refined product) exporters but the split tends to be a bit messy and there are still obvious gaps that have been met by imports and ultimately prices are going to be affected by global prices. More to the point I suppose, no US politician is going to be calling for them to cut themselves off completely from the rest of the world's oil markets anytime soon such that russian supply has no domestic impact.....

[CharlesdeGaulle]

BikeBikeBIke said:

B'stard Child said:

Isn’t the usa self sufficient for petroleum products - they can cut themselves off from external influences

It's a global market, so unless Biden wants to mess with free trade high energy prices affect America even for things they are self sufficient in.

I still don't think America have tried to stop these attacks. The only direct quote in the article says something very different that's not remotely news.

Edited by BikeBikeBIke on Sunday 31st March 22:09

Exactly. Anyone that deduces that Biden has told them to stop refinery attacks is a fking idiot.

[king arthur]

William Spaniel on the two main theories as to why Russia is having to cut oil production.

[Oliver Hardy]

EddieSteadyGo said:

Oliver Hardy said:

Posted this before

https://www.ft.com/content/98f15b60-bc4d-4d3c-9e57...

Note that there hasn't been any attacks within Russia this week I don't think

That's an interesting article which I hadn't seen. Hope you don't mind, but I added a non-paywalled link version below.

Must be very frustrating for Ukraine to be told it can't attack the most vulnerable parts of Russian infrastructure likely to generate the highest leverage.

https://archive.ph/JFdaS

Thanks for reposting a link that is accessible although for whatever reason I did not get a pat wall.

There are a number of commentators on Youtube here is one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sI2aC4Bb_-I that have reported this,

Even if true there are other targets Ukraine can hit I would have thought, power stations, ports, trains as they have in the past but on a limited scale

[EddieSteadyGo]

hidetheelephants said:

Refinery attacks can't affect crude prices, they should continue attacking russian refinery capacity and fk their st up.

You should email Biden's team and tell them why they are wrong.

[Jambo85]

hidetheelephants said:

Refinery attacks can't affect crude prices, they should continue attacking russian refinery capacity and fk their st up.

Refinery attacks will drive crude prices downwards if anything.

[Puggit]

Iran also warned Russia about the upcoming Crocus attack... https://www.reuters.com/world/iran-alerted-russia-...

[Chimune]

Not that it really matters but '3 unnamed sources familiar with the situation' and no real facts ?