Russia Invades Ukraine. Volume 4

[Digga]

sisu said:

The idea that the US holds the moral high ground on this with either Europe or Ukraine is a bit rich. North America has its own supply of oil and gas.
If anything they will profit from it. This has illustrated the idea that if you stop the supply of arms the Russians will seek a peaceful status quo.
There are no F-16s from the US, the Patriot missile systems come from Germany, other than the 30 Bradleys and 6 Abrams, 60% of the funding for Ukraine has gone to US military contracts, not actual equipment in Ukraine. You get alot of Americans online or at least bots leaning into the idea that the Americans are personally paying for all the war going on.
It is worth noting that the 5 major Military manufacturers are private companies, Lockheed Martin bankrolled the Patriot missile system production because they saw demand.
Even if Trump or others politically don't want to contribute from their stocks, there is always the aspect that others will simply buy it and the deeper problem for US defence is Korea, Europe and even Australia have the depth to manufacture it because they don't have the capability or capacity themselves.
This idea that the money in America will go to build hospitals and state infrastructure is also an obscure one ideologically as that is socialism in the eyes of a certain libertarian ilk.

Yes, the USA can't have their cake and eat it. If they don't want Ukraine hitting assets in Russia, including oil refineries, then they could always contribute kit that would help them gain advantage in other ways.

[BikeBikeBIke]

fly by wire said:

Prolex-UK said:

If Trump gets elected it may happen.

Lets move oil prices away from the US dollar as well.

Saddam did that, selling his oil for euros.

Look what happened tohim.

That's a complete myth. There is and always was zero chance of the Euro becoming the global currency.

[BikeBikeBIke]

Oliver Hardy said:

Jorden shoots down missiles aimed at Israel

As did Saudi Arabia. Also petty much the only country in the world that didn't have pro Palestinan Protests was Iran! I don't think Oct 23 has panned out quite how they hoped!

[NoddyonNitrous]

Oliver Hardy said:

Russia has sends a navy frigate into the region of conflict between Israel and Iran, where is the US ship in the conflict between Ukraine and Russia.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1888214/russi...

Jorden shoots down missiles aimed at Israel while Poland sits back and watches when Russia fires missiles over its territory

Plenty of US naval assets in the Eastern Mediterranean; but they can't go through the Bosporus to the Black Sea for the same reason as the RF BSF can't exit the Black Sea (apart from downwards).

[paulrockliffe]

Oliver Hardy said:

while Poland sits back and watches when Russia fires missiles over its territory

Nothing has over-flown Poland long enough to be shot down.

[hidetheelephants]

Digga said:

Yes, the USA can't have their cake and eat it. If they don't want Ukraine hitting assets in Russia, including oil refineries, then they could always contribute kit that would help them gain advantage in other ways.

Bluntly yes; supply all the stuff that's been blockaded since October and supply long range strike weapons and Ukraine might pick other targets. Until then why would they do anything else? Don't they know there's a war on?

[Oliver Hardy]

paulrockliffe said:

Oliver Hardy said:

while Poland sits back and watches when Russia fires missiles over its territory

Nothing has over-flown Poland long enough to be shot down.

They were in the air long enough for Poland to put jets in the air and they said they could have shot it down.

https://unn.ua/en/news/poland-explains-why-it-did-...

[Al Gorithum]

James Heapey on LBC this morning saying they expect the war to go on to at least 2026.

[RichFN2]

Looks like successful strike at a Russian airbase in Crimea
https://t.me/pilotblog/11347?single

[BrettMRC]

RichFN2 said:

Looks like successful strike at a Russian airbase in Crimea
https://t.me/pilotblog/11347?single

Any sources showing what was hit?

[Shar2]

BrettMRC said:

RichFN2 said:

Looks like successful strike at a Russian airbase in Crimea
https://t.me/pilotblog/11347?single

Any sources showing what was hit?

It appears that dzhankoy air base was hit by as many as 6 missiles of indeterminate type. Ukrainians are saying that up to 12 helicopters and an S-400 battery have been hit.

[pingu393]

Shar2 said:

BrettMRC said:

RichFN2 said:

Looks like successful strike at a Russian airbase in Crimea
https://t.me/pilotblog/11347?single

Any sources showing what was hit?

It appears that dzhankoy air base was hit by as many as 6 missiles of indeterminate type. Ukrainians are saying that up to 12 helicopters and an S-400 battery have been hit.

Have the ruzzians hit a single UKR aircraft on the ground?

No, but plenty of hospitals and kindergartens.

[sherbertdip]

pingu393 said:

Shar2 said:

BrettMRC said:

RichFN2 said:

Looks like successful strike at a Russian airbase in Crimea
https://t.me/pilotblog/11347?single

Any sources showing what was hit?

It appears that dzhankoy air base was hit by as many as 6 missiles of indeterminate type. Ukrainians are saying that up to 12 helicopters and an S-400 battery have been hit.

Have the ruzzians hit a single UKR aircraft on the ground?

No, but plenty of hospitals and kindergartens.

And in apparent retaliation an apartment building killing 16 and injuring 60 odd, they really are a sick bunch of s.

[RichFN2]

sherbertdip said:

pingu393 said:

Shar2 said:

BrettMRC said:

RichFN2 said:

Looks like successful strike at a Russian airbase in Crimea
https://t.me/pilotblog/11347?single

Any sources showing what was hit?

It appears that dzhankoy air base was hit by as many as 6 missiles of indeterminate type. Ukrainians are saying that up to 12 helicopters and an S-400 battery have been hit.

Have the ruzzians hit a single UKR aircraft on the ground?

No, but plenty of hospitals and kindergartens.

And in apparent retaliation an apartment building killing 16 and injuring 60 odd, they really are a sick bunch of s.

Awaiting 100% confirmation but this is the 1st leaked photo

[off_again]

sherbertdip said:

And in apparent retaliation an apartment building killing 16 and injuring 60 odd, they really are a sick bunch of s.

They really have a different view on the world. To assume that Russia thinks about things the same way as Europe, USA and others is wrong. They view human life as cheap (as long as its not theirs) and corruption is expected. And yes, they really are a bunch of tits

[BikeBikeBIke]

Peter Zeihan has a (rare these days) positive spin on all this:

https://youtu.be/lZ4ZXeQ4-V0?si=iQKLce27rTqcz4oo


He reckons Europe's stepping up.

[RichFN2]

Russian peacekeepers are leaving the Karabakh conflict zone, probably to go and fight in Ukraine.

https://t.me/combatfootageua/15135?single
https://t.me/combatfootageua/15156

[Cheib]

BikeBikeBIke said:

Peter Zeihan has a (rare these days) positive spin on all this:

https://youtu.be/lZ4ZXeQ4-V0?si=iQKLce27rTqcz4oo


He reckons Europe's stepping up.

Europe has to take the long term lead on this. Even if the US voted through the $60bil aid package Ukraine is not going to win this war….that’s enough to maybe get Ukraine armed again to the extent it can defend itself and take it to the Russians in a limited manner. It is not going to put Ukraine in a position to defeat Russia and defend themselves in the long term.

In other news the US politicians are apparently voting on Ukraine/Israel aid in the next few days…

[borcy]

https://twitter.com/front_ukrainian/status/1780150...

A new Ukrainian submarine

[TGCOTF-dewey]

borcy said:

https://twitter.com/front_ukrainian/status/1780150...

A new Ukrainian submarine

I don't believe that's actually a proper sub. To me that's a low observable craft with some stealth characteristics.

At best, it might be semi-submersible.