Russia Invades Ukraine. Volume 4
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A possible avenue to getting more air defence to Ukraine.
A possible avenue to getting more air defence to Ukraine.
borcy said:
Has been for several years. What they've announced is they're now capable of building 10 a month. It's not an autoloader, it's much like CAESAR 6x6.Edited by Evanivitch on Thursday 18th April 19:55
Evanivitch said:
borcy said:
Has been for several years. What they've announced is they're not capable of building 10 a month. It's not an autoloader, it's much like CAESAR 6x6.borcy said:
Evanivitch said:
borcy said:
Has been for several years. What they've announced is they're not capable of building 10 a month. It's not an autoloader, it's much like CAESAR 6x6.Iamnotkloot said:
"...we have now demonstrated that the RAF and other NATO fighter jets can shoot down drones and missiles fired at civilians without being engaged by Iran. Surely we can offer similar assistance in Ukraine?"
We (certainly the US) probably could if we wanted and long ago at that. Quite clearly, we have also chosen not to do so for a variety of reasons. Why should that calculation that the Israelis are more worth defending than the ukrainians together with iran being a less capable antagonist than russia have changed now?
isaldiri said:
Iamnotkloot said:
"...we have now demonstrated that the RAF and other NATO fighter jets can shoot down drones and missiles fired at civilians without being engaged by Iran. Surely we can offer similar assistance in Ukraine?"
We (certainly the US) probably could if we wanted and long ago at that. Quite clearly, we have also chosen not to do so for a variety of reasons. Why should that calculation that the Israelis are more worth defending than the ukrainians together with iran being a less capable antagonist than russia have changed now?
Defending Ukraine will probably result in ruzzians being killed, and will come at significant risk to our airmen.
pingu393 said:
Defending Israel was not going to kill any Iranians, nor was there any significant risk to our airmen.
Defending Ukraine will probably result in ruzzians being killed, and will come at significant risk to our airmen.
How does destroying russian drones and missiles have more risk to us than iranian drones and missiles? We didn't seem to have killed any iranians in doing so either after all.Defending Ukraine will probably result in ruzzians being killed, and will come at significant risk to our airmen.
isaldiri said:
pingu393 said:
Defending Israel was not going to kill any Iranians, nor was there any significant risk to our airmen.
Defending Ukraine will probably result in ruzzians being killed, and will come at significant risk to our airmen.
How does destroying russian drones and missiles have more risk to us than iranian drones and missiles? We didn't seem to have killed any iranians in doing so either after all.Defending Ukraine will probably result in ruzzians being killed, and will come at significant risk to our airmen.
Shooting down Russian planes launching missiles - or attacking Russian ground based launch sites - might be a different matter but personally I'd be more than happy for the West to supply Ukraine with the equipment to enable them to do exactly that....
ecsrobin said:
Iamnotkloot said:
He was a colonel in the British Army and commanding officer of the UK's Joint Chemical, Biological, Radiological and Nuclear Regiment and NATO's Rapid Reaction CBRN Battalion; posts not generally known for 'simplistic thinking'.
I, however, am a simple man - my thinking is that if we don't start defending Ukraine properly, then Russia will take it. I think the idea mentioned has merit.
Which means he probably spent his whole career sat in the UK, and certainly won’t understand air power like a member of the RAF or AAC would. I, however, am a simple man - my thinking is that if we don't start defending Ukraine properly, then Russia will take it. I think the idea mentioned has merit.
He also did tours in Iran, Afghanistan, Bosnia and Kosovo.
Makes him better placed than most to comment.
Cheib said:
He’s served in Syria investigating the chemical weapons attacks…think he actually was in the wrong place at the wrong time once and was on the receiving end.
He also did tours in Iran, Afghanistan, Bosnia and Kosovo.
Makes him better placed than most to comment.
About CBRN matters. He’s no different to a Doctor discussing maritime law, might have an understanding because their mate has a boat. He also did tours in Iran, Afghanistan, Bosnia and Kosovo.
Makes him better placed than most to comment.
isaldiri said:
pingu393 said:
Defending Israel was not going to kill any Iranians, nor was there any significant risk to our airmen.
Defending Ukraine will probably result in ruzzians being killed, and will come at significant risk to our airmen.
How does destroying russian drones and missiles have more risk to us than iranian drones and missiles? We didn't seem to have killed any iranians in doing so either after all.Defending Ukraine will probably result in ruzzians being killed, and will come at significant risk to our airmen.
Either way, they win.
SU-35 shoots down Eurofighter, ruzzia proves its might. Eurofighter shoots down SU-35, ruzzia is being attacked by NATO.
pingu393 said:
isaldiri said:
pingu393 said:
Defending Israel was not going to kill any Iranians, nor was there any significant risk to our airmen.
Defending Ukraine will probably result in ruzzians being killed, and will come at significant risk to our airmen.
How does destroying russian drones and missiles have more risk to us than iranian drones and missiles? We didn't seem to have killed any iranians in doing so either after all.Defending Ukraine will probably result in ruzzians being killed, and will come at significant risk to our airmen.
Either way, they win.
SU-35 shoots down Eurofighter, ruzzia proves its might. Eurofighter shoots down SU-35, ruzzia is being attacked by NATO.
pingu393 said:
Do you really think ruzzia would miss the opportunity to put an SU-35 in the same sky as a Eurofighter over Ukraine and have a pop?
Either way, they win.
SU-35 shoots down Eurofighter, ruzzia proves its might. Eurofighter shoots down SU-35, ruzzia is being attacked by NATO.
Russia being attacked by Nato *isn't* a win for Russia!Either way, they win.
SU-35 shoots down Eurofighter, ruzzia proves its might. Eurofighter shoots down SU-35, ruzzia is being attacked by NATO.
Microsoft reporting on Russian pushing Ukraine disinformation around as a way of interfering in the US elections and as an attempt to stop Ukraine support
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off_again said:
Mannginger said:
Marjorie Taylor green. US House representative
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/marjorie-taylor-greene-w...
She also wanted an amendment that anyone voting for the bill has to join the Ukrainian army, one that said that Ukraine had to close all it's bio-weapon facilities before getting the money, and one that asks Ukraine to prove that all it's churches are free from government influence before getting the money. Basically she's a horrible human being who's trolling the process
This is NOT fake:https://uk.news.yahoo.com/marjorie-taylor-greene-w...
She also wanted an amendment that anyone voting for the bill has to join the Ukrainian army, one that said that Ukraine had to close all it's bio-weapon facilities before getting the money, and one that asks Ukraine to prove that all it's churches are free from government influence before getting the money. Basically she's a horrible human being who's trolling the process
She's even too ridiculous for Fox News now! And yes, she is way worse than a useful idiot, she's clearly got an agenda and is prepared to take everyone down with it. An utter disgrace of a public servant - she is so far removed from that. Its pretty obvious that she is a self-serving, money & attention grabbing nightmare.
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