Russia Invades Ukraine. Volume 4

[Tango13]

Biggy Stardust said:

Tango13 said:

The precision for a near miss is easily achievable but the problem is the lack of laser guided Tallboys .

Would a Little Boy be considered excessive?

Joking aside Little Boy was an airburst weapon so the radar fuzes were set to detonate the initiator explosives a couple of thousand feet above Hiroshima for maximum effect.

Tallboy and GrandSlam were deep penetration 'earthquake' bombs designed to either shake the target to destruction with a massive shock wave or create a bloody big hole for the target to collapse into.

I doubt the casing of Little Boy would withstand the impact of hitting the ground and being a gun type weapon probably wouldn't fire correctly for the same reasons, if you could get one deep enough next to or ideally under a bridge support then it would certainly be powerful enough to drop it.

During the first Gulf war the US air force made some deep penetration 'bunker buster' bombs from old 8" naval guns but they needed to be dropped from a much higher altitude that Barnes Wallis's bomb due to being lighter.

[DrDeAtH]

Ukraine should also coincide a bridge attack with aiming to cut all rail links from Russia at the same time.

[_Al_]

DrDeAtH said:

NATO should also coincide a bridge attack with aiming to cut all rail links from Russia at the same time.

FTFY

[Biggy Stardust]

Tango13 said:

Joking aside Little Boy was an airburst weapon so the radar fuzes were set to detonate the initiator explosives a couple of thousand feet above Hiroshima for maximum effect.

I was in Hiroshima last week- this was 600m below the blast point:


If this can survive then a bridge would presumably fare much better.

[768]

Air burst maximises blast radius, but at the expense of peak energy at ground zero.

[dudleybloke]

"Two British men charged with helping Russian intelligence."

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-68899130.amp

[Tango13]

Biggy Stardust said:

Tango13 said:

Joking aside Little Boy was an airburst weapon so the radar fuzes were set to detonate the initiator explosives a couple of thousand feet above Hiroshima for maximum effect.

I was in Hiroshima last week- this was 600m below the blast point:


If this can survive then a bridge would presumably fare much better.

You'd set light to the tarmac on the bridge and possibly bend and buckle it enough to be unusable with an airburst but to destroy it properly you'd need to detonate a nuclear weapon in the water as close as physically possible and let the movement of thousands of tons of water do the damage.

Totally O/T...

After the Trinity test shot for FatMan it was initially thought that the tower had been vaporised, it had actually been broken into umpteen pieces and scattered across the New Mexican desert.

Scientists are like engineers, we love to measure stuff and the Los Alamos scientists were no different so they measured the remains of the tower and discovered that virtually none of the steel had been burnt away by the intense heat of the blast as the heat pulse had been too short.

So being the sane and sober scientists that they were they came up with Project Orion which would launch a multi-thousand ton single stage space ship into orbit powered by nuclear bombs...

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Project-Orion-Story-Atomi...

[pingu393]

If UKR were to irradiate the bridge, I'd bet that Putin would round up all the Ukrainian children in ruzzia and march them across to Crimea just to show how safe it was.

[stemll]

Tango13 said:

Best way to drop the Kerch bridge would be with a very near miss instead of a direct hit in the same way the RAF dropped the Bielefeld viaduct in WW2, a 22,000lb bomb from altitude next to one of the islands that support the central arch would create a huge camouflet or underground void into which one end of the arch would collapse.

The precision for a near miss is easily achievable but the problem is the lack of laser guided Tallboys or Grandslams.

https://www.militaryhistories.co.uk/viaduct

The problem was more a lack of anything called a laser

[Digby]

Abbott said:

I wake up each morning hoping that Russia has had its arse well and truly kicked and that the people have collectively opened their eyes and seen what lies they have been subjected to and have revolted against those in control.

I feel the same. That said, I haven't been following the "special operation" much, I must admit, but have just been watching some of the footage of Russians being attacked by drones. I never realised they were flying them in to open hatches of tanks with perfect accuracy before exploding them, dropping grenades into covered foxholes from them and actually chasing soldiers and vehicles with them etc.

Running for their lives and tucking themselves into a nice hiding spot now means nothing. The drones just follow them, hover about looking into the whites of their eyes a few feet away, move in and BOOM.

Despite wanting the same as you, it just makes me so very sad, as I'm sure many of them don't want to be there.

[Pupp]

Digby said:

Abbott said:

I wake up each morning hoping that Russia has had its arse well and truly kicked and that the people have collectively opened their eyes and seen what lies they have been subjected to and have revolted against those in control.

I feel the same. That said, I haven't been following the "special operation" much, I must admit, but have just been watching some of the footage of Russians being attacked by drones. I never realised they were flying them in to open hatches of tanks with perfect accuracy before exploding them, dropping grenades into covered foxholes from them and actually chasing soldiers and vehicles with them etc.

Running for their lives and tucking themselves into a nice hiding spot now means nothing. The drones just follow them, hover about looking into the whites of their eyes a few feet away, move in and BOOM.

Despite wanting the same as you, it just makes me so very sad, as I'm sure many of them don't want to be there.

I’m sure the vast majority don’t want to be there too. Unfortunately, however, the vast majority of Russians have done very little indeed to challenge the mindset of the mad tyrant that heads up their nation and his supporting cabal, being content to acquiesce to their ever continuing reign. In Gorbachev’s time, there was a glimmer of them modernising and opening up, but they allowed that to be snuffed out to return to dictatorship. Longing to see some internal self-help and good old east European defenestration of troublesome tyrants; then I might find more sympathy than can simply drive a shrug currently.

[borcy]

https://twitter.com/EJPointer/status/1784235602717...


Russian oil industry starts to defend against drone attacks.

[Richard-G]

Digby said:

Abbott said:

I wake up each morning hoping that Russia has had its arse well and truly kicked and that the people have collectively opened their eyes and seen what lies they have been subjected to and have revolted against those in control.

I feel the same. That said, I haven't been following the "special operation" much, I must admit, but have just been watching some of the footage of Russians being attacked by drones. I never realised they were flying them in to open hatches of tanks with perfect accuracy before exploding them, dropping grenades into covered foxholes from them and actually chasing soldiers and vehicles with them etc.

Running for their lives and tucking themselves into a nice hiding spot now means nothing. The drones just follow them, hover about looking into the whites of their eyes a few feet away, move in and BOOM.

Despite wanting the same as you, it just makes me so very sad, as I'm sure many of them don't want to be there.

I remember an interview early in the war with a old Ukrainian guy, he said something like 'kill all they send, soon they will stop coming'

Maybe the poor idiot russian boys will grow a backbone and turn on thier superiors and follow the path that Yevgeny Prigozhin showed them last year...

[Biggy Stardust]

Digby said:

Despite wanting the same as you, it just makes me so very sad, as I'm sure many of them don't want to be there.

They took Putin's shilling willingly enough. They deserve the consequences of their actions.

[mikey_b]

borcy said:

https://twitter.com/EJPointer/status/1784235602717...


Russian oil industry starts to defend against drone attacks.

Those tanks are big, and can’t move. I wonder if a drone could carry thermite against those defences? Park it on top and ignite, so it burns its way downwards onto the surface of the tank.

[pingu393]

Biggy Stardust said:

Digby said:

Despite wanting the same as you, it just makes me so very sad, as I'm sure many of them don't want to be there.

They took Putin's shilling willingly enough. They deserve the consequences of their actions.

They took the shilling thinking it was a jolly good wheeze - just like the volunteers in Britain in 1914. By the time they found out the truth, it was too late. It's the same with the ruzzians.

They aren't lions lead by donkeys, though. They are scum lead by utter scum.

[pingu393]

mikey_b said:

borcy said:

https://twitter.com/EJPointer/status/1784235602717...


Russian oil industry starts to defend against drone attacks.

Those tanks are big, and can’t move. I wonder if a drone could carry thermite against those defences? Park it on top and ignite, so it burns its way downwards onto the surface of the tank.

Each tank holds a few day's fuel. A refinery can take months to repair .

It's the reverse of give a man a fish and feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and feed him for a lifetime.

[sisu]

borcy said:

https://twitter.com/EJPointer/status/1784235602717...


Russian oil industry starts to defend against drone attacks.

Good, so now they are aiming at electricity production and sub stations, water supplies, production facilities, radar and launch sites. Given they can strike St Petersburg or Moscow they may knock the door on the 1st of May while they are watching a parade on how good Grandad was. You also have sea drones on the hunt as well?
All the while they soak in resources to protect Moscow and not hit Ukraine.

Objectively Ukraine is at their weakest on the battle field, this was 6 months of "giving peace a chance" In theory Russia should have made gains if they knew they were counting bullets in April.

[Skeptisk]

Reading in the Danish newspaper at Russia is sending convicts to the frontline. Prisoners offered a real Dirty Dozen deal of being freed from prison if they sign up.

Downside? Their expected lifespan is reduced to two months on average!

[Steve_W]

Just seen a short clip of UKR using a Yak 52 to knock down a Russian drone. Now that's a proper old school answer to the problem.
On phone so no idea if this link will work:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6Rqpl8sexN/?igsh=M...