Sunday Times & C4 due to drop a big story [Russell Brand]
Discussion
youngsyr said:
So, what's the prognosis on this: quietly disappears into nothing?
Mine is that people have swapped most of their opinions based on how much of a twit they might think he is, how much they agree with him about Covid or somesuch, things about free speech, why we didnt hear about all this earlier and MSM. Now they have to wait for legal stuff and find out the facts. A good thing I'd say.b
hstewie said:
I have a lot of difficulty accepting that this accuser can remain annonymous 13 years after the event, for "fears it may impact her career".hstewie said:What about his career? Does he not deserve any protection until proven guilty?
Far better to keep it all anonymous until after the trial, IMO.
Yes, that may stop other victims coming forward earlier, but surely they would be just as reassured after his conviction than they would before it?
youngsyr said:
I have a lot of difficulty accepting that this accuser can remain annonymous 13 years after the event, for "fears it may impact her career".
What about his career? Does he not deserve any protection until proven guilty?
Far better to keep it all anonymous until after the trial, IMO.
Yes, that may stop other victims coming forward earlier, but surely they would be just as reassured after his conviction than they would before it?
13 years? What about 50 years...What about his career? Does he not deserve any protection until proven guilty?
Far better to keep it all anonymous until after the trial, IMO.
Yes, that may stop other victims coming forward earlier, but surely they would be just as reassured after his conviction than they would before it?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-6730...
It's ludicrous.
Eric Mc said:
When is the right time to report rape or sexual assault?
At what point in time is is it OK to dismiss an allegation?
Whenever the alleged victim decides.At what point in time is is it OK to dismiss an allegation?
Whenever the evidence fails to meet the legal threshold or the evidence fails to convince a jury.
Civil actions remain an option where the burden of proof is lower.
Unreal said:
Eric Mc said:
When is the right time to report rape or sexual assault?
At what point in time is is it OK to dismiss an allegation?
Whenever the alleged victim decides.At what point in time is is it OK to dismiss an allegation?
Whenever the evidence fails to meet the legal threshold or the evidence fails to convince a jury.
Civil actions remain an option where the burden of proof is lower.
There is nothing unusual for victims to hide abuse. They should not be criticised and victim blamed when they finally feel they can come forward.
jameswills said:
13 years? What about 50 years...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-6730...
It's ludicrous.
I can remember similar comments as the first allegations against Jimmy Savile came outhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-6730...
It's ludicrous.
smn159 said:
jameswills said:
13 years? What about 50 years...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-6730...
It's ludicrous.
I can remember similar comments as the first allegations against Jimmy Savile came outhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-6730...
It's ludicrous.
His interview highlights a different side and shows us that we should take time to digest the facts before judging someone.
Although cleared, the inequitable stigma will always be with him.
BBC Link
Evercross said:
There needs to be more balance for sure, whatever happened to the ABC of objective investigation: Assume nothing, Believe nobody, Challenge everything. 'We must believe X or Y' is prevalent and wrong-minded at any time.ETA regarding the mention of Savile (and nor forgetting Hall) anyone unaware of the Dame Janet Smith report might like to dig it out online. BBC management failed victims of both. For example on one occasion BBC North West TV Manager Ray Colley warned Hall about his future conduct but didn't follow this up by checking for reports on subsequent behaviour. It was by no means about nobody knowing what happened. Girls were referred to as Hall's nieces who were getting elocution lessons.
Edited by turbobloke on Saturday 4th November 19:57
Driver101 said:
What a day for this thread. Criticising victims for taking years to come forward and then going back down the false accusations route.
Why does rape and sexual assault accusations always lead to victim shaming?
It also highlights why so many victims are fearful of coming forward.
It doesn't always lead to victim shaming.Why does rape and sexual assault accusations always lead to victim shaming?
It also highlights why so many victims are fearful of coming forward.
Unfortunately in many cases it's a case where it's two adults, there may be no physical evidence, any physical evidence that exists is not evidence of violence and there are no witnesses. As is being discussed, the alleged offence may also have taken place long ago and it may be difficult to establish if the accused and accuser were where they said they were at that time.
In those circumstances, and if you were innocent, yet accused of one of the most horrible crimes that can be committed and where the very core of your character is being questioned, I think it's entirely understandable that someone would want to delve very deeply into the character of their accuser. There is no way of stopping the guilty doing the same thing of course but it is indisputable that however rare they are, false accusations occur, along with the existence of dishonest investigators and incompetent defence counsel. At the end of that, people are wrongly convicted, from where it can prove staggeringly difficult to undo a miscarriage of justice.
I wish I knew what alternative exists. Perhaps you have some ideas that don't compromise the presumption of innocence that surely must be protected.
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