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andymadmak said:
I think it’s important to remember the timelines here.
Some of the people so harshly criticising Israel now were doing exactly so in the days immediately after the attack of the 7th, and before the Israeli invasion of Gaza. People were openly expressing doubts that the atrocities that are now well documented even happened. Some suggested that the IDF actively shot Israeli civilians just to make Hamas look bad.
Now, many people would say now,6 months later and with many civilians killed, that Israel should ow restraint and compassion for the plight of the Palestinians, which is correct imho. BUT that does not put those people in agreement with those who clearly supported Hamas in the immediate aftermath of the attack , even if they were not posting “yay Hamas, way to go! “
That’s just lies and slander. All the posts are here to see. Show where people who are criticising Israel today were saying such things. Show me the people who claim they didn’t happen. Which “people” was this? What posters that are posting now were making these claims? Let’s see your evidence. Some of the people so harshly criticising Israel now were doing exactly so in the days immediately after the attack of the 7th, and before the Israeli invasion of Gaza. People were openly expressing doubts that the atrocities that are now well documented even happened. Some suggested that the IDF actively shot Israeli civilians just to make Hamas look bad.
Now, many people would say now,6 months later and with many civilians killed, that Israel should ow restraint and compassion for the plight of the Palestinians, which is correct imho. BUT that does not put those people in agreement with those who clearly supported Hamas in the immediate aftermath of the attack , even if they were not posting “yay Hamas, way to go! “
Plenty of people, for example Julian, are happy to deny Israel should do anything different, and are happy to blame the actions of the IDF on Hamas. Now, where are the people doing what you claim?
And before you go sharing links to conspiracy theorists on Twitter or the like, we are talking about people here, in this forum, not dredging the internet, where you can find a view, from the many billions, to support just about any vague claim.
Edited by Electro1980 on Friday 29th March 09:15
Electro1980 said:
andymadmak said:
I think it’s important to remember the timelines here.
Some of the people so harshly criticising Israel now were doing exactly so in the days immediately after the attack of the 7th, and before the Israeli invasion of Gaza. People were openly expressing doubts that the atrocities that are now well documented even happened. Some suggested that the IDF actively shot Israeli civilians just to make Hamas look bad.
Now, many people would say now,6 months later and with many civilians killed, that Israel should ow restraint and compassion for the plight of the Palestinians, which is correct imho. BUT that does not put those people in agreement with those who clearly supported Hamas in the immediate aftermath of the attack , even if they were not posting “yay Hamas, way to go! “
That’s just lies and slander. All the posts are here to see. Show where people who are criticising Israel today were saying such things. Which “people” was this? What posters that are posting now were making these claims? Let’s see your evidence.Some of the people so harshly criticising Israel now were doing exactly so in the days immediately after the attack of the 7th, and before the Israeli invasion of Gaza. People were openly expressing doubts that the atrocities that are now well documented even happened. Some suggested that the IDF actively shot Israeli civilians just to make Hamas look bad.
Now, many people would say now,6 months later and with many civilians killed, that Israel should ow restraint and compassion for the plight of the Palestinians, which is correct imho. BUT that does not put those people in agreement with those who clearly supported Hamas in the immediate aftermath of the attack , even if they were not posting “yay Hamas, way to go! “
Electro1980 said:
Done. I didn’t find anything. You are wrong…
Now prove your argument.
How blind are you? And you read dozens and dozens of pages in 2 minutes? Liar. Really. Now prove your argument.
So:
Zedleg argued that the attack was all the Palestinians could do - ie, it was justified. That was on the 7th!
Zedleg claimed that the Israelis want to eradicate the Palestinians - further seeking to justify the attack of the 7th. A clear lie.
Skeptisk labelled the 7th as "the actions of a very desperate people" 7th October
Fizz47 started his long running criticism of Israel on the 7th. No criticism of the attack though
AndyA700 talked about despotic israelis on the 7th... no criticism of Hamas or comment on the attack
P.Oneill also posted on the 7th, and we all know where he went to with his "IF" comments
Countdown, on the 7th ignored the attack and started talking about the West Bank - using it as his excuse to criticise Israel
Thats just in the first half dozen pages. I think we got to 12 pages in before the end of day on the 7th.
julian987R said:
JJJ. said:
Some individuals defend the indefensible due to cognitive dissonance, where they struggle to accept information that contradicts their existing beliefs.
Exactly. They just can't stop their adoration of Hamas. The amount of support for Hamas shown daily on this thread blows my mind.
JJJ. said:
julian987R said:
JJJ. said:
Some individuals defend the indefensible due to cognitive dissonance, where they struggle to accept information that contradicts their existing beliefs.
Exactly. They just can't stop their adoration of Hamas. The amount of support for Hamas shown daily on this thread blows my mind.
Electro1980 said:
That’s just lies and slander. All the posts are here to see. Show where people who are criticising Israel today were saying such things. Show me the people who claim they didn’t happen. Which “people” was this? What posters that are posting now were making these claims? Let’s see your evidence.
Plenty of people, for example Julian, are happy to deny Israel should do anything different, and are happy to blame the actions of the IDF on Hamas. Now, where are the people doing what you claim?
And before you go sharing links to conspiracy theorists on Twitter or the like, we are talking about people here, in this forum, not dredging the internet, where you can find a view, from the many billions, to support just about any vague claim.
The requirement seems to be that one needs to first suitably virtue signal enough by stating the rather obvious ie that the Oct7 was a terrible atrocity perpetuated by Hamas (which must then be followed up with lots of ranty condemnation about how 'bad' the palestinians are for refusing to just allowing the israelis to steamroller them and grab all the land from the sea to the jordan) before one can then state the also obvious - ie that Israeli is engaging in actions that if done by any other country would long ago be condemned as war crimes against civilians (which must then be blandly minimised as much as possible that most getting killed are combatants, it's all lies by the gaza health ministry, it's anti semetic to call it collective punishment to deny food and supplies etcetc....)Plenty of people, for example Julian, are happy to deny Israel should do anything different, and are happy to blame the actions of the IDF on Hamas. Now, where are the people doing what you claim?
And before you go sharing links to conspiracy theorists on Twitter or the like, we are talking about people here, in this forum, not dredging the internet, where you can find a view, from the many billions, to support just about any vague claim.
Edited by Electro1980 on Friday 29th March 09:15
isaldiri said:
The requirement seems to be that one needs to first suitably virtue signal enough by stating the rather obvious ie that the Oct7 was a terrible atrocity perpetuated by Hamas (which must then be followed up with lots of ranty condemnation about how 'bad' the palestinians are for refusing to just allowing the israelis to steamroller them and grab all the land from the sea to the jordan) before one can then state the also obvious - ie that Israeli is engaging in actions that if done by any other country would long ago be condemned as war crimes against civilians (which must then be blandly minimised as much as possible that most getting killed are combatants, it's all lies by the gaza health ministry, it's anti semetic to call it collective punishment to deny food and supplies etcetc....)
Exactly, Imagine if the same had happened in say the Balkans, oh hang on!isaldiri said:
The requirement seems to be that one needs to first suitably virtue signal enough by stating the rather obvious ie that the Oct7 was a terrible atrocity perpetuated by Hamas (which must then be followed up with lots of ranty condemnation about how 'bad' the palestinians are for refusing to just allowing the israelis to steamroller them and grab all the land from the sea to the jordan) before one can then state the also obvious - ie that Israeli is engaging in actions that if done by any other country would long ago be condemned as war crimes against civilians (which must then be blandly minimised as much as possible that most getting killed are combatants, it's all lies by the gaza health ministry, it's anti semetic to call it collective punishment to deny food and supplies etcetc....)
Hmmm. The posters I mentioned are all on this thread. The posts I refer to are all on the 7th October, the day of the attack, long before Israel responded and went into Gaza. All of them failed to even make the slightest criticism of the attack before launching into their criticisms of Israel and/or justifications for the attack. The rest of your post is just word salad because, once again, and precisely to the point I was making, you're ignoring the timeline. I repeat, the posts are from the 7th.
julian987R said:
Exactly. They just can't stop their adoration of Hamas.
The amount of support for Hamas shown daily on this thread blows my mind.
There isn't any support for Hamas on here.The amount of support for Hamas shown daily on this thread blows my mind.
You can keep repeating your claim that there is, but it won't change the fact.
Criticism of the horrendous response by Israel does not equate to support of the terrible triggering event.
Think it through and see if you can grasp the concept.
911hope said:
There isn't any support for Hamas on here.
You can keep repeating your claim that there is, but it won't change the fact.
Criticism of the horrendous response by Israel does not equate to support of the terrible triggering event.
Think it through and see if you can grasp the concept.
And criticism of Israel on the actual day of the "terrible triggering event",whilst making "justification" type posts on that same day, and completely failing to say anything negative about that "terrible triggering event" on the same day, before Israel had even responded.... how should that be interpreted?You can keep repeating your claim that there is, but it won't change the fact.
Criticism of the horrendous response by Israel does not equate to support of the terrible triggering event.
Think it through and see if you can grasp the concept.
Looks like IDF soldiers can't help document their absurd behaviour on social media. I do hope their superiors remind them of how their army should be behaving.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-...
to be fair, the IDF have responded
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-...
to be fair, the IDF have responded
article said:
In response, a spokesperson sent a statement saying the IDF investigates incidents that deviate from the orders and expected values of IDF soldiers, as well as reports of videos uploaded to social networks.
"In cases where suspicion of a criminal offense arises that justifies opening an investigation, an investigation is opened by the Military Police," it said.
"It should be clarified that in some of the examined cases, it is concluded that the expression or behaviour of the soldiers in the video is inappropriate, and it is handled accordingly," the statement said.
"In cases where suspicion of a criminal offense arises that justifies opening an investigation, an investigation is opened by the Military Police," it said.
"It should be clarified that in some of the examined cases, it is concluded that the expression or behaviour of the soldiers in the video is inappropriate, and it is handled accordingly," the statement said.
Electro1980 said:
Mopey said:
People saying Israel is responsible for the lack of s two state solution. Didn’t Arafat walk away? So Palestine is responsible when a deal or progress was on the table.
Call me naive but releasing the hostages would go some way to a cease fire happening.
You’re naive. Israel have repeatedly stated their aim is to destroy Hamas. The hostages should absolutely be released, but at the same time there should be an immediate ceasefire. The two need to be simultaneous. As long as they are not this will continue.Call me naive but releasing the hostages would go some way to a cease fire happening.
However, the main issue is Israel’s killing of civilians and disruption of aid.
andymadmak said:
And criticism of Israel on the actual day of the "terrible triggering event",whilst making "justification" type posts on that same day, and completely failing to say anything negative about that "terrible triggering event" on the same day, before Israel had even responded.... how should that be interpreted?
Perhaps you can show an example of such a post.julian987R said:
biggbn said:
Uh oh. Julian inadvertently proves point. Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn occasionally. Just wait.
I get that, touché, but the level of Hamas support on this thread is just off the scale. Sadly, I have read pages of keyboard warriors supporting the barbaric reprisals because apparently two wrongs now make a right, and 'its all they understand' etc..., reprisals now roundly criticised by the international community who are sending aid to Gaza regularly. But then, in your head, me writing that probably makes me supportive of Hamas or anti-semitic?
Uh oh. Here it comes. Just wait.
andymadmak said:
911hope. Please don't sealion like this. Just read the first 20 pages of this thread. I posted examples from the first half dozen pages earlier today, all taken from the 7th October. And when you have done that, maybe answer my question rather than deflect?
Having checked a few and see that you have "quoted" nothing. What you have done is paraphrased and applied an interpretation.I haven't found one, which says the 7 Oct attack was justified.
It is a big leap from someone describing prior events and the Palestinians' plight to get to the "support of Hamas position"
biggbn said:
Can you point to actual support for Hamas on this thread. Anyone actually saying they support Hamas? I confess I've not read every page, and I have read many roundly criticising the IDF, Hamas, the Israeli government, the Palestinian people and I have heard many supporting the above as well. But supporting Hamas? Supporting the actions taken? Nope, sorry. If you could show me someone actually supporting Hamas please?
Sadly, I have read pages of keyboard warriors supporting the barbaric reprisals because apparently two wrongs now make a right, and 'its all they understand' etc..., reprisals now roundly criticised by the international community who are sending aid to Gaza regularly. But then, in your head, me writing that probably makes me supportive of Hamas or anti-semitic?
Uh oh. Here it comes. Just wait.
Well for starters, lo and behold, the reply to the OP below.Sadly, I have read pages of keyboard warriors supporting the barbaric reprisals because apparently two wrongs now make a right, and 'its all they understand' etc..., reprisals now roundly criticised by the international community who are sending aid to Gaza regularly. But then, in your head, me writing that probably makes me supportive of Hamas or anti-semitic?
Uh oh. Here it comes. Just wait.
There is tons of support here for Hamas. It’s like a Hamas love fest this thread.
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