Israel invaded

[wc98]

fizz47 said:

Sick in the head people still going to defend the IDF while the ethnically cleanse the Palestinians


https://x.com/mehdirhasan/status/17719152776529064...

https://x.com/drloupis/status/1771520773565411744?...

https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-793420
IDF Brig.-Gen. (res.) Amir Avivi met with the holder of the Israeli-Palestinian portfolio at the US State Department, who accused Israel of "systematically" sexually abusing Palestinian woman, the general explained in an interview on 103FM.

Recounting his meeting, he explained, "It was a meeting that shook me. We sat there, talked about the situation, and suddenly she accused Israel of systematically sexually abusing Palestinian women."

Avivi described his reaction.

"This is absolutely disconnected from reality. But without hesitation, she said, 'The UN presented evidence to the Israeli government.' I told her, 'Does it make sense that this phenomenon would exist and the media would never have reported on it?' I wanted there to be greater awareness... about what is really happening in the US State Department. In the end, I left there with the feeling that they simply don't talk to us and don't pass on any information."

Is it the official US position that IDF soldiers rape Palestinian women?
"When we meet with a State Department official holding the Israeli-Palestinian portfolio, every word she utters, as far as I'm concerned, is an official US position. Ultimately, she is a government official. When she says, for example, 'You did not provide evidence that Hamas is stealing humanitarian aid and you are starving the population,' what is she talking about? The IDF spokesperson shows [proof] every other day that Hamas is stealing food.


Either you don't check your sources or you are Dr Loupis aicmfp. Only an absolute fruitcake would link to anything said by that lunatic, unless of course you believe in the Jewish conspiracy around the covid vaccine, do you ?

Edited by wc98 on Monday 25th March 14:46

[Dagnir]

Douglas Quaid said:

Israel just want to kill all the Palestinians. Hostages are irrelevant at this point, on both sides. They just want to starve and shoot them all to death to have the entire territory.

I’m just glad I live in England and not over there. Being born in a place where you can be starved to death just for existing while the rest of the world cheers is pretty crappy really.

Astonishingly ignorant/blinkered post.

[S600BSB]

Excellent news from the UN Security Council.

[M1AGM]

S600BSB said:

Excellent news from the UN Security Council.

and the dummy has been spat out already:

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has officially cancelled the Israeli delegation to the White House this week.

In a statement posted online by public broadcaster Kann, the prime minister's office said that the decision was made "in light of the change in the US position".

Netanyahu had previously threatened to cancel the visit, which comes ahead of an anticipated Israeli ground offensive in Gaza - which the Biden administration has opposed.

[youngsyr]

s1962a said:

andymadmak said:

s1962a said:

Yes, thats fair thats she's a nutter, but there is form for settlements being built on the West Bank, and recently too

Israel plans to build 3,300 new settlement homes. It says it’s a response to a Palestinian attack

And there has already been a new highway built, splitting Gaza "for security reasons"

Israel completes construction of road which cuts across Gaza Strip

It's not a huge leap from there for there to be settlements built within Gaza. Why do you think there wouldn't be? Is there anything stopping this government from allowing settlements to be built?

As I said, if this was really a popular option in Israel then Netanyahu would already have seized upon it. The BBC article makes it clear that a majority of Israelis don't want to settle Gaza.
I'm also on record several times in this thread as saying that the illegal settlements in the West Bank should be removed.

I think we are mostly in agreement here. Most of Israels population doesn't support the West Bank settlements either, but they are expanding as the coalition government is quite right wing, and the land grab that is already happening for "security reasons" and the cutting up of Gaza is just a precursor to it's borders being changed and potential settlements. There is no reason to suspect that the minority that want the Gaza settlements to return (including members of the cabinet) won't get their wish.

Not sure what there is to gain by posting the most radical views of each side?

BBC Article said:

(quoted person) heads a radical settler organisation called Nachala, or homeland. For decades, she has been kickstarting Jewish settlements in the Israeli-occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem

She's an extremist who is nowhere near a position of power, not representative of the general population at all.

[isaldiri]

s1962a said:

...Most of Israels population doesn't support the West Bank settlements either, but they are expanding as the coalition government is quite right wing, and the land grab that is already happening for "security reasons" and the cutting up of Gaza is just a precursor to it's borders being changed and potential settlements. There is no reason to suspect that the minority that want the Gaza settlements to return (including members of the cabinet) won't get their wish.

Settlement expansion has taken place in the west bank under governments of all stripes for decades and it's absolutely not just something that Netanyahu has been responsible for. While most of the israeli population might not support west bank settlements either, they certainly have not been too bothered about demanding that their politicians stop that process....

[youngsyr]

isaldiri said:

s1962a said:

...Most of Israels population doesn't support the West Bank settlements either, but they are expanding as the coalition government is quite right wing, and the land grab that is already happening for "security reasons" and the cutting up of Gaza is just a precursor to it's borders being changed and potential settlements. There is no reason to suspect that the minority that want the Gaza settlements to return (including members of the cabinet) won't get their wish.

Settlement expansion has taken place in the west bank under governments of all stripes for decades and it's absolutely not just something that Netanyahu has been responsible for. While most of the israeli population might not support west bank settlements either, they certainly have not been too bothered about demanding that their politicians stop that process....

Well, they pulled the settlers out of Gaza in 2006 and look what happened there...

[isaldiri]

youngsyr said:

Well, they pulled the settlers out of Gaza in 2006 and look what happened there...

quite... more settlers should have been sent in and the IDF used to clear out all the palestinians from gaza first I suppose....

[youngsyr]

isaldiri said:

youngsyr said:

Well, they pulled the settlers out of Gaza in 2006 and look what happened there...

quite... more settlers should have been sent in and the IDF used to clear out all the palestinians from gaza first I suppose....

The point is that the Israeli settlements are irrevelant - Hamas want to eliminate all Jews in Israel, settlements or no settlements.

[Biker 1]

youngsyr said:

The point is that the Israeli settlements are irrevelant - Hamas want to eliminate all Jews in Israel, settlements or no settlements.

Correct.

[isaldiri]

Biker 1 said:

youngsyr said:

The point is that the Israeli settlements are irrevelant - Hamas want to eliminate all Jews in Israel, settlements or no settlements.

Correct.

Correct or otherwise, it's also an entirely separate issue to the post I had replied to which had raised the point about increasing settlements and the level of support of that from the israeli population.....

[Electro1980]

McGee_22 said:

Electro1980 said:

So you are suggesting the aid is being withheld as a bargaining tool? The hostages are irrelevant to the transport of civilian aid.

I’m not suggesting anything of the sort - I have no exact details of why the aid is being withheld- do you? But your suggestion that the hostages are irrelevant to the transport of civilian aid seems naive in the extreme - was aid being allowed through before the hostages were taken on October 7th?

So you are suggesting that it’s being held as a bargaining tool, by linking the two. The hostages are irrelevant to aid, and stopping it is a war crime. It doesn’t matter what the two opposing sides are doing, what the background is. The hostage situation plays absolutely no part in that situation.

[soupdragon1]

fizz47 said:

Sick in the head people still going to defend the IDF while the ethnically cleanse the Palestinians


https://x.com/mehdirhasan/status/17719152776529064...

https://x.com/drloupis/status/1771520773565411744?...

Right at the beginning of the war I tried to highlight that picking a side in this war would make us look foolish, and here we are.

Hamas will be remembered for their brutality and Netanyahu as the head of an obvious genocide operation.

There is nowhere to go now for Netanyahu. He can't win this war without killing an entire populace. Even a temporary 'success' of killing most of Hamas doesn't get him anywhere. The hate will be as deep as it's ever been before, and that's saying a lot.

Revenge will be the goal for any Palestinians that remain, which should come as a surprise to absolutely no one.

So what's the endgame? Netanyahu has taken the Israeli people down a path of failure, both locally and globally. There is no victory to be had but to be honest, there never was. There was only ever a diplomatic compromise and that's been pushed so far away it seems impossible now.

So we're left with failure. History won't be kind to him.

[julian987R]

Douglas Quaid said:

Israel just want to kill all the Palestinians. Hostages are irrelevant at this point, on both sides. They just want to starve and shoot them all to death to have the entire territory.

I’m just glad I live in England and not over there. Being born in a place where you can be starved to death just for existing while the rest of the world cheers is pretty crappy really.

[julian987R]

soupdragon1 said:

Right at the beginning of the war I tried to highlight that picking a side in this war would make us look foolish, and here we are.

Hamas will be remembered for their brutality and Netanyahu as the head of an obvious genocide operation.

There is nowhere to go now for Netanyahu. He can't win this war without killing an entire populace. Even a temporary 'success' of killing most of Hamas doesn't get him anywhere. The hate will be as deep as it's ever been before, and that's saying a lot.

Revenge will be the goal for any Palestinians that remain, which should come as a surprise to absolutely no one.

So what's the endgame? Netanyahu has taken the Israeli people down a path of failure, both locally and globally. There is no victory to be had but to be honest, there never was. There was only ever a diplomatic compromise and that's been pushed so far away it seems impossible now.

So we're left with failure. History won't be kind to him.

https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aNwywQ0_460s...

[isaldiri]

soupdragon1 said:

.....There is nowhere to go now for Netanyahu. He can't win this war without killing an entire populace. Even a temporary 'success' of killing most of Hamas doesn't get him anywhere. The hate will be as deep as it's ever been before, and that's saying a lot. .

Well...... There is always that option. Preferably displacement but if needs must..... Remove them all but whatever means and there will be no one left to hate and swear revenge after all. Some, perhaps many seem to be entirely content to have that happen after all.

[Electro1980]

So… genocide.

I’d like to say, I can’t believe people are actually supporting this, but unfortunately I can.

[S600BSB]

soupdragon1 said:

Right at the beginning of the war I tried to highlight that picking a side in this war would make us look foolish, and here we are.

Hamas will be remembered for their brutality and Netanyahu as the head of an obvious genocide operation.

There is nowhere to go now for Netanyahu. He can't win this war without killing an entire populace. Even a temporary 'success' of killing most of Hamas doesn't get him anywhere. The hate will be as deep as it's ever been before, and that's saying a lot.

Revenge will be the goal for any Palestinians that remain, which should come as a surprise to absolutely no one.

So what's the endgame? Netanyahu has taken the Israeli people down a path of failure, both locally and globally. There is no victory to be had but to be honest, there never was. There was only ever a diplomatic compromise and that's been pushed so far away it seems impossible now.

So we're left with failure. History won't be kind to him.

Isn’t Netanyahu going straight to a court and then to jail after the war?

[youngsyr]

Electro1980 said:

So… genocide.

I’d like to say, I can’t believe people are actually supporting this, but unfortunately I can.

Except:

Dictionary said:

Genocide; the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group

30,000 out of 2 million is 1.5% of the population.

As horrific as it is, in no reasonable defintion is 1.5% a large number of the Palestinians. Nearly as many Ukrainians have been killed in the war against Russia.

It also seems pretty naive to me to expect an existential war to have no civilian casualties.

It also demonstrates a cultural ignorance - death to the Hamas fighters in a war against the Jews doesn't mean the same thing as death to you and me. They welcome it.

[julian987R]

youngsyr said:

30,000 out of 2 million is 1.5% of the population.

As horrific as it is, in no reasonable defintion is 1.5% a large number of the Palestinians. Nearly as many Ukrainians have been killed in the war against Russia.

It also seems pretty naive to me to expect an existential war to have no civilian casualties.

It also demonstrates a cultural ignorance - death to the Hamas fighters in a war against the Jews doesn't mean the same thing as death to you and me. They welcome it.

They (Hamas) love it. The more death the better for their warped medieval fictional cause.