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isaldiri said:
M1AGM said:
Andymadmac is one of the few posters on this thread who has taken a moderate view and I hope he can see that the vast majority of posters here are the same, even if they dont always present themselves as clearly.
If someone calling posters on this thread anti semitic supporters of the final solution is moderate to you, I'd quite like to know what you'd consider an extreme view........isaldiri said:
M1AGM said:
Andymadmac is one of the few posters on this thread who has taken a moderate view and I hope he can see that the vast majority of posters here are the same, even if they dont always present themselves as clearly.
If someone calling posters on this thread anti semitic supporters of the final solution is moderate to you, I'd quite like to know what you'd consider an extreme view........JJJ. said:
Is this support for Hamas? I await the onslaught but I'm unconcerned.
The Hamas attack and the Israeli response has at last really and truly highlighted the Palestinian people's general dire situation. The whole world has sat up and taken notice, even distant countries like South Africa and Ireland made their voices heard. Israel has been roundly condemned again for it's treatment of the Palestinian people both in Gaza and the West Bank. The U.S. has also been roundly condemned along with other Israeli allies and a lot of condemnation has actually come from western citizens never mind the UN, ICJ, aid NGO's etc, etc.
The adventual hope now is, thanks to Hamas attack, that some sort of permanent and peaceful plan will be put into action so the Palestinians can live a normal life in their own country, while governing themselves without Israeli interference, evictions, violence, imprisonment or death.
Maybe, just maybe the Hamas attack is blessing in disguise for the Palestinians long term. One can only hope.
Whatever, nobody will ever forget the ongoing Israeli retaliation to the Palestinians.
You ask 'Is this support for Hamas?'The Hamas attack and the Israeli response has at last really and truly highlighted the Palestinian people's general dire situation. The whole world has sat up and taken notice, even distant countries like South Africa and Ireland made their voices heard. Israel has been roundly condemned again for it's treatment of the Palestinian people both in Gaza and the West Bank. The U.S. has also been roundly condemned along with other Israeli allies and a lot of condemnation has actually come from western citizens never mind the UN, ICJ, aid NGO's etc, etc.
The adventual hope now is, thanks to Hamas attack, that some sort of permanent and peaceful plan will be put into action so the Palestinians can live a normal life in their own country, while governing themselves without Israeli interference, evictions, violence, imprisonment or death.
Maybe, just maybe the Hamas attack is blessing in disguise for the Palestinians long term. One can only hope.
Whatever, nobody will ever forget the ongoing Israeli retaliation to the Palestinians.
Edited by JJJ. on Friday 29th March 17:14
you say 'thanks to Hamas attack'
So yes, that is support for Hamas.
I love how all the Hamas fanboys and media say Isreal need to do more - ummmm, hello, don't Hamas have a role in all this?!
julian987R said:
JJJ. said:
Is this support for Hamas? I await the onslaught but I'm unconcerned.
The Hamas attack and the Israeli response has at last really and truly highlighted the Palestinian people's general dire situation. The whole world has sat up and taken notice, even distant countries like South Africa and Ireland made their voices heard. Israel has been roundly condemned again for it's treatment of the Palestinian people both in Gaza and the West Bank. The U.S. has also been roundly condemned along with other Israeli allies and a lot of condemnation has actually come from western citizens never mind the UN, ICJ, aid NGO's etc, etc.
The eventual hope now is, thanks to Hamas attack, that some sort of permanent and peaceful plan will be put into action so the Palestinians can live a normal life in their own country, while governing themselves without Israeli interference, evictions, violence, imprisonment or death.
Maybe, just maybe the Hamas attack is blessing in disguise for the Palestinians long term. One can only hope.
Whatever, nobody will ever forget the ongoing Israeli retaliation to the Palestinians.
You ask 'Is this support for Hamas?'The Hamas attack and the Israeli response has at last really and truly highlighted the Palestinian people's general dire situation. The whole world has sat up and taken notice, even distant countries like South Africa and Ireland made their voices heard. Israel has been roundly condemned again for it's treatment of the Palestinian people both in Gaza and the West Bank. The U.S. has also been roundly condemned along with other Israeli allies and a lot of condemnation has actually come from western citizens never mind the UN, ICJ, aid NGO's etc, etc.
The eventual hope now is, thanks to Hamas attack, that some sort of permanent and peaceful plan will be put into action so the Palestinians can live a normal life in their own country, while governing themselves without Israeli interference, evictions, violence, imprisonment or death.
Maybe, just maybe the Hamas attack is blessing in disguise for the Palestinians long term. One can only hope.
Whatever, nobody will ever forget the ongoing Israeli retaliation to the Palestinians.
Edited by JJJ. on Friday 29th March 17:14
you say 'thanks to Hamas attack'
So yes, that is support for Hamas.
I love how all the Hamas fanboys and media say Isreal need to do more - ummmm, hello, don't Hamas have a role in all this?!
andymadmak said:
I interpret your comment as you justifying the attack of the 7th in some way, but refraining from openly supporting Hamas. Had the 7th just been another one of those rocket attacks that killed a few Israelis I doubt anything much would have happened . After all, both sides had blood on their hands prior to the 7th. But what happened on the 7th, the horror of those atrocities, crossed a line. That is the point I am making, and on that day, some posters couldn't even say "Aww thats an awful thing thats happened. Hamas shouldn't have done those things" Instead from some poster all we got was criticism of Israel. No condemnation of the rapes, no condemnation of the mutilations, no condemnation of the murders, no condemnation of the kidnappings....... Why might that be?
In the news today you have stories of Israeli soldiers playing with underwear they found in Palestinian homes, and the usual suspects rush to post the story and express their criticism of IDF/Israel. Now go and see if you can find any comments from them regarding the 7th..... Its a pattern. Only one side is worthy of criticism from some, no matter what inhuman acts Hamas perpetrates
Now, let me be clear, it's wrong for IDF soldiers to behave in this way. I sincerely hope they are sanctioned appropriately.
I challenge you to go back and read the first few days of this thread and then tell me honestly that you don't see the things I set out above?
Your interpretation is wrong, as there is no reasonable case to support the Hamas attack on Oct 7. It was an atrocity plain and simple. That is a clear statement. I hope you can see there is no ambiguity, in that statement.In the news today you have stories of Israeli soldiers playing with underwear they found in Palestinian homes, and the usual suspects rush to post the story and express their criticism of IDF/Israel. Now go and see if you can find any comments from them regarding the 7th..... Its a pattern. Only one side is worthy of criticism from some, no matter what inhuman acts Hamas perpetrates
Now, let me be clear, it's wrong for IDF soldiers to behave in this way. I sincerely hope they are sanctioned appropriately.
I challenge you to go back and read the first few days of this thread and then tell me honestly that you don't see the things I set out above?
Nice to read your condemnation of the IDF embarrassingly bad behaviour (in minor reported incidents). How do you feel about the big stuff, they have done and are doing?
Edited by 911hope on Friday 29th March 23:17
julian987R said:
It's very telling that you read the S*nF1GTRUeno said:
julian987R said:
It's very telling that you read the S*nSo why is it telling that I read all news outlets? oh thats right because you didn't know - therefore the lesson for you today is - don't rush to judgement... capeesh.
julian987R said:
Given the number of IDF members “plotting civilian attacks” (and carrying them out), will it also be justified to carry out drone strikes on Israeli leadership?History and news are written by winners…
skwdenyer said:
julian987R said:
Given the number of IDF members “plotting [b] to kill Hamas, whom hide behind civilians[b]” (and carrying them out), will it also be justified to carry out drone strikes on Israeli leadership?History and news are written by winners…
Given the number of IDF members plotting to kill Hamas (whom hide behind civilians) and carrying them out, it is justified to carry out drone strikes on Hamas leadership period... until Hamas surrender for the sake of Palestinians and to return the hostages.
Edited by julian987R on Monday 1st April 01:33
skwdenyer said:
julian987R said:
Given the number of IDF members “plotting civilian attacks” (and carrying them out), will it also be justified to carry out drone strikes on Israeli leadership?History and news are written by winners…
Ridgemont said:
skwdenyer said:
julian987R said:
Given the number of IDF members “plotting civilian attacks” (and carrying them out), will it also be justified to carry out drone strikes on Israeli leadership?History and news are written by winners…
Extraordinary.
This is something we didn’t see in Gaza in relation to Hamas leadership
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68705...
Thousands protesting. Gives me hope that ordinary Israelis still want peace, and not the eradication of Palestinians as some hysterical posters on here claim. Such a shame that Gazan citizens either didn’t feel able to or weren’t inclined to protest against Hamas.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68705...
Thousands protesting. Gives me hope that ordinary Israelis still want peace, and not the eradication of Palestinians as some hysterical posters on here claim. Such a shame that Gazan citizens either didn’t feel able to or weren’t inclined to protest against Hamas.
andymadmak said:
This is something we didn’t see in Gaza in relation to Hamas leadership
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68705...
Thousands protesting. Gives me hope that ordinary Israelis still want peace, and not the eradication of Palestinians as some hysterical posters on here claim. Such a shame that Gazan citizens either didn’t feel able to or weren’t inclined to protest against Hamas.
No one claimed all Israelis want that. They said Israel, as in the government, and some Israelis, want that. Yet again you make stuff up. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68705...
Thousands protesting. Gives me hope that ordinary Israelis still want peace, and not the eradication of Palestinians as some hysterical posters on here claim. Such a shame that Gazan citizens either didn’t feel able to or weren’t inclined to protest against Hamas.
Palestinians have protested against Hamas:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-6017348...
Now, let’s talk about the Israeli governments reaction to those protests, and the background of the protests, that have been going on for over a year.
It’s clear you don’t understand what is going on, and are only here carrying on some sort of personal crusade against anyone you perceive as “left wing” and tilting at windmills. So much so you repeatedly make up things no one has said and then have a tantrum when called out on it.
biggbn said:
It is sadly predictable and unsurprising that even though the international community, including military experts etc are now openly criticising Israel's response that we still have faceless Internet Walts defending their actions for whatever reasons. Two wrongs make a right, right?
Is that aimed at me? I hope not!Electro1980 said:
andymadmak said:
This is something we didn’t see in Gaza in relation to Hamas leadership
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68705...
Thousands protesting. Gives me hope that ordinary Israelis still want peace, and not the eradication of Palestinians as some hysterical posters on here claim. Such a shame that Gazan citizens either didn’t feel able to or weren’t inclined to protest against Hamas.
No one claimed all Israelis want that. They said Israel, as in the government, and some Israelis, want that. Yet again you make stuff up. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68705...
Thousands protesting. Gives me hope that ordinary Israelis still want peace, and not the eradication of Palestinians as some hysterical posters on here claim. Such a shame that Gazan citizens either didn’t feel able to or weren’t inclined to protest against Hamas.
Palestinians have protested against Hamas:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-6017348...
Now, let’s talk about the Israeli governments reaction to those protests, and the background of the protests, that have been going on for over a year.
It’s clear you don’t understand what is going on, and are only here carrying on some sort of personal crusade against anyone you perceive as “left wing” and tilting at windmills. So much so you repeatedly make up things no one has said and then have a tantrum when called out on it.
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