Israel invaded
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ZedLeg said:
If you were a shop keeper in Gaza where your home and livelihood could be demolished on a whim and your kids may have been shot for protesting, you might not be so scared of the rocket that may come.
Just caught up on this thread and if thr claims for Israeli women being shot in back of jeeps is true....its nit going to be an odd rocket its going to be your whole city flattened, it's going to be a massacre. If the claims of executing civilinns are true Hamas are literally signing death warrant of their own people.Put it this was if we in the UK had a war with France I would hope as civilians we would nit be directly involved. We're that the case right or wrong I would expect out goverment to respond in the same way....scary isn't how this stuff escalates
Skeptisk said:
Vasco said:
I know this isn't the point but are the Palestinians free to move to another country - if they wish ?
Pretty rough situation to end up in, regardless.
How? The Gaza Strip is not a country so presumably they don’t have passports and I believe they can’t go to Israel (even if they wanted to) and I don’t think they can easily get out through Egypt either. Pretty rough situation to end up in, regardless.
Can they leave? - any way ?
Gecko1978 said:
ZedLeg said:
Puddenchucker said:
Israel will no doubt repspond with a huge military assult and it will be Palestinian civillians that will suffer the most.
(And yes, there will be Israeli civillian casualties also.)
You'd have thought that after all these years, both sides would have learnt that shooting each other isn't going to work but neither side is willing to make compromise so the cycle continues.
What compromise can the Palestinians make? Israel wants the land and doesn’t care how they take it.(And yes, there will be Israeli civillian casualties also.)
You'd have thought that after all these years, both sides would have learnt that shooting each other isn't going to work but neither side is willing to make compromise so the cycle continues.
Israeli illegal settlements is one issues. Being turned to Ash via predator drone seems to me to be much worse.
This action by Hamas is jnsane literally 1000s could die because of this.
I can empathise with both sides - particularly the majority of innocents on both sides - but there seems to be a lot of hypocrisy in the west, where Hamas is rightly castigated for their actions yet the disproportionate response from Israel where hundreds or thousands of Palestinians are killed for every few dozen Israelis is hardly mentioned, nevertheless the trapping of Palestinians in the Gaza Strip and squeezing out of Palestinians in the West Bank by illegal Israeli settlements.
In the 90s there was genuine hope of a two state solution. That pretty much died with Rabin (at the hands of a Jewish settler). Since then the pandering to the ultra religious/right wing in Israel and the much higher birth rate of the ultra religious (and the resultant demographic shift) plus the indifference of the West has seen the two state solution fall off the table. That means that most Palestinians have grown up never having experienced a realistic hope of getting their own state. That must be pretty soul destroying.
Wills2 said:
Countdown said:
You would think that but when you keep getting kicked off land that you've lived on / farmed for decades, and more and more restrictions are put on what you can do, eventually you want to strike back.
You're a shameful individual. Elroy Blue said:
The people pulling the strings of this attack are all in Iran.
They don't care about the Gaza, the West Bank, Palestinians or even Hamas.
They want Israel attacked so they retaliate, derailing peace talks between Saudi and Israel.
This basically. They don't care about the Gaza, the West Bank, Palestinians or even Hamas.
They want Israel attacked so they retaliate, derailing peace talks between Saudi and Israel.
The only surprising thing from this story appears to be how poorly the IDF defended Israeli territory from a Hamas raid.
Maybe bear in mind that Hamas have not faced an election for quite a few years now.
Generally when a ruling party cancels lections it's because they don't think they will win.
They need a state of conflict to justify their grip on the Gaza people.
Basically the DUP of the middle east.
The ME is a complex mess, there is a lot of Arab/Arab and Arab/(various other groups) conflict as well as the Israel conflicts.
The Gaza/Egypt border is not exactly like Surrey and Kent.
Generally when a ruling party cancels lections it's because they don't think they will win.
They need a state of conflict to justify their grip on the Gaza people.
Basically the DUP of the middle east.
The ME is a complex mess, there is a lot of Arab/Arab and Arab/(various other groups) conflict as well as the Israel conflicts.
The Gaza/Egypt border is not exactly like Surrey and Kent.
ZedLeg said:
Wills2 said:
ZedLeg said:
Curious to see how the press reports on an open war where the US backs the occupier rather than the occupied.
You sound like a spokesperson for Hamas, it's not a good look. FourWheelDrift said:
Have Russia had a persuasive hand in this, to try and take some US attention away from Ukraine and over to Israel?
Not sure I follow the logic there, I see a risk of US boots on the ground in the sand pit, again, not sure this is in Russian interests.But the whole area is complex, a lot of low level wars and disputes going on from Turkey through to North Africa.
JagLover said:
Elroy Blue said:
The people pulling the strings of this attack are all in Iran.
They don't care about the Gaza, the West Bank, Palestinians or even Hamas.
They want Israel attacked so they retaliate, derailing peace talks between Saudi and Israel.
This basically. They don't care about the Gaza, the West Bank, Palestinians or even Hamas.
They want Israel attacked so they retaliate, derailing peace talks between Saudi and Israel.
The only surprising thing from this story appears to be how poorly the IDF defended Israeli territory from a Hamas raid.
There's something about big terrorist acts that just guarantees retribution. No way can Israel just shrug it off.
OutInTheShed said:
Not sure I follow the logic there, I see a risk of US boots on the ground in the sand pit, again, not sure this is in Russian interests.
But the whole area is complex, a lot of low level wars and disputes going on from Turkey through to North Africa.
The Russian interest is dividing and destabilising the West. Stirring up a little more Islamaphobia won't hurt either.But the whole area is complex, a lot of low level wars and disputes going on from Turkey through to North Africa.
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