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andymadmak said:
Well, as I said, not all the hostages were to be released, at least not until the “second stage” which, when properly examined, was after the Israelis had withdrawn fully…. So essentially requiring the Israelis to give up their positions whilst trusting Hamas that it would keep its word. So, yes, unrealistic.
Unless of course you think Hamas would have behaved honourably? The same Hamas that rapes and tortures its hostages every day?
I’m not suggesting they are well behaved at all, but is this a fact? Apologies if I have missed it.Unless of course you think Hamas would have behaved honourably? The same Hamas that rapes and tortures its hostages every day?
andymadmak said:
JJJ. said:
''Hamas presents ceasefire proposal detailing exchange of hostages, prisoners''
This was back in March according to Reuters.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-is...
So, just pointing the finger at Hamas is nonsense. Israel says proposal is based on 'unrealistic demands'. One has to ask what value the Zionists really put on the hostages.
Well, as I said, not all the hostages were to be released, at least not until the “second stage” which, when properly examined, was after the Israelis had withdrawn fully…. So essentially requiring the Israelis to give up their positions whilst trusting Hamas that it would keep its word. So, yes, unrealistic. This was back in March according to Reuters.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-is...
So, just pointing the finger at Hamas is nonsense. Israel says proposal is based on 'unrealistic demands'. One has to ask what value the Zionists really put on the hostages.
Unless of course you think Hamas would have behaved honourably? The same Hamas that rapes and tortures its hostages every day?
As for accusation of Hama raping and torturing, it's just an accusation unlike the genocide carried out by the Israeli army in Gaza. You're accusation of Hamas is not even in the same league as Israeli accusations, so sensible people take it a pinch of salt until proven differently. Of course we all might be better enlightened if the Israeli's allowed the international press into Gaza!
M1AGM said:
andymadmak said:
Well, as I said, not all the hostages were to be released, at least not until the “second stage” which, when properly examined, was after the Israelis had withdrawn fully…. So essentially requiring the Israelis to give up their positions whilst trusting Hamas that it would keep its word. So, yes, unrealistic.
Unless of course you think Hamas would have behaved honourably? The same Hamas that rapes and tortures its hostages every day?
I’m not suggesting they are well behaved at all, but is this a fact? Apologies if I have missed it.Unless of course you think Hamas would have behaved honourably? The same Hamas that rapes and tortures its hostages every day?
JJJ. said:
I've no idea if Hamas would behave honorably, no more than anybody else on here, while the same can be said of Israel too. Who with a level head would trust Israel...it's clear even the Yanks have concerns about them.
As for accusation of Hama raping and torturing, it's just an accusation unlike the genocide carried out by the Israeli army in Gaza. You're accusation of Hamas is not even in the same league as Israeli accusations, so sensible people take it a pinch of salt until proven differently. Of course we all might be better enlightened if the Israeli's allowed the international press into Gaza!
Just an accusation you say? Hmmm. Who to believe? It’s not as if Hamas has a recent history of rape and torture… oh, hang on…. As for accusation of Hama raping and torturing, it's just an accusation unlike the genocide carried out by the Israeli army in Gaza. You're accusation of Hamas is not even in the same league as Israeli accusations, so sensible people take it a pinch of salt until proven differently. Of course we all might be better enlightened if the Israeli's allowed the international press into Gaza!
I do hope you’re not suggesting that you’re one of the “sensible people “
andymadmak said:
JJJ. said:
I've no idea if Hamas would behave honorably, no more than anybody else on here, while the same can be said of Israel too. Who with a level head would trust Israel...it's clear even the Yanks have concerns about them.
As for accusation of Hama raping and torturing, it's just an accusation unlike the genocide carried out by the Israeli army in Gaza. You're accusation of Hamas is not even in the same league as Israeli accusations, so sensible people take it a pinch of salt until proven differently. Of course we all might be better enlightened if the Israeli's allowed the international press into Gaza!
Just an accusation you say? Hmmm. Who to believe? It’s not as if Hamas has a recent history of rape and torture… oh, hang on…. As for accusation of Hama raping and torturing, it's just an accusation unlike the genocide carried out by the Israeli army in Gaza. You're accusation of Hamas is not even in the same league as Israeli accusations, so sensible people take it a pinch of salt until proven differently. Of course we all might be better enlightened if the Israeli's allowed the international press into Gaza!
I do hope you’re not suggesting that you’re one of the “sensible people “
Is 34,000 dead Palestinians and the attempted starvation of 2 Million not just a little bit worrying?
JJJ. said:
andymadmak said:
You join the ranks of other posters on here who make ludicrous statements in their support for/justification of Hamas.
911hope said:
andymadmak said:
JJJ. said:
I've no idea if Hamas would behave honorably, no more than anybody else on here, while the same can be said of Israel too. Who with a level head would trust Israel...it's clear even the Yanks have concerns about them.
As for accusation of Hama raping and torturing, it's just an accusation unlike the genocide carried out by the Israeli army in Gaza. You're accusation of Hamas is not even in the same league as Israeli accusations, so sensible people take it a pinch of salt until proven differently. Of course we all might be better enlightened if the Israeli's allowed the international press into Gaza!
Just an accusation you say? Hmmm. Who to believe? It’s not as if Hamas has a recent history of rape and torture… oh, hang on…. As for accusation of Hama raping and torturing, it's just an accusation unlike the genocide carried out by the Israeli army in Gaza. You're accusation of Hamas is not even in the same league as Israeli accusations, so sensible people take it a pinch of salt until proven differently. Of course we all might be better enlightened if the Israeli's allowed the international press into Gaza!
I do hope you’re not suggesting that you’re one of the “sensible people “
Is 34,000 dead Palestinians and the attempted starvation of 2 Million not just a little bit worrying?
I have no idea what the actual number of dead is ( the rate of increase claimed by the Hamas Health Authority has slowed very significantly since it started being subjected to a bit more media scrutiny, nor do I know how many of the claimed 34000 were Hamas fighters rather than innocent Palestinians, but I will say that many will be innocents, and one innocent is one too many in my opinion, on either side.
As for the starvation claim, I don’t doubt that people are hungry and in distress, it’s a war zone with one side in particular using it’s population as human shields, but thankfully aid is getting through, and I would hope that much more will be done.
fizz47 said:
A very quick google will show very quickly how many times nethanyahu obstructed the return of the hostages ..
Let’s not forget this is the same leader who was responsible for killing three hostages…
Genocidal apologists still touting Israeli claims which have clearly been disproved and debunked but as this thread has shown people think .. ‘repeat a lie a enough times.. it just come true’
Waiting for the daily anti-semitism charge to be thrown around too …
Instead let’s just listen to the words of an actual IDF soldier …
I bet many more will come along in the months and years to will show exactly how ‘moral’ and great the IDF are …
Interview with an actual IDF soldier…..
This Israeli soldier was horrified by what he witnessed of the war in Gaza. He tells @SecKermani about one particularly troubling incident.
https://x.com/channel4news/status/1783179233721806...
I see no Zionist apologist has challenged you post, even with some bullsLet’s not forget this is the same leader who was responsible for killing three hostages…
Genocidal apologists still touting Israeli claims which have clearly been disproved and debunked but as this thread has shown people think .. ‘repeat a lie a enough times.. it just come true’
Waiting for the daily anti-semitism charge to be thrown around too …
Instead let’s just listen to the words of an actual IDF soldier …
I bet many more will come along in the months and years to will show exactly how ‘moral’ and great the IDF are …
Interview with an actual IDF soldier…..
This Israeli soldier was horrified by what he witnessed of the war in Gaza. He tells @SecKermani about one particularly troubling incident.
https://x.com/channel4news/status/1783179233721806...
Edited by fizz47 on Saturday 27th April 22:23
t rhetoric! JJJ. said:
I see no Zionist apologist has challenged you post, even with some bullst rhetoric!
Most “sensible people” ignore Fizz’s posts, hence any points he might make that have any merit are lost in the ether. Had he not spent months posting unsubstantiated claims about anything anti Israeli, whilst at the same time never criticising anything that Hamas has done he might have been taken more seriously. t rhetoric! andymadmak said:
You join the ranks of other posters on here who make ludicrous statements in their support for/justification of Hamas.
If you keeping saying that for long enough, somebody might believe you. And as for joining the ranks, well you must be imbedded up to your eyeballs in Zionism, well done. No doubt the U.S. tax dollars have trickled down to you...As I said- sick in the head people defending the indefensible ..literally 1000s of videos and testimonies of the atrocities happening which didn’t just start in October and people making excuses
Standard response appears to be to attack people with false charges of ‘fake news’ or anti-semitism. Donald trump would be proud..
Standard response appears to be to attack people with false charges of ‘fake news’ or anti-semitism. Donald trump would be proud..
Oh look even Times of Israel are lying …
Haim Rubinstein claims Israel rejected early Hamas offer to free all civilians if IDF didn't enter Gaza, lays out PM's alleged political meddling that led him to quit last month
https://www.timesofisrael.com/no-doubt-netanyahu-p...
Haim Rubinstein claims Israel rejected early Hamas offer to free all civilians if IDF didn't enter Gaza, lays out PM's alleged political meddling that led him to quit last month
https://www.timesofisrael.com/no-doubt-netanyahu-p...
Electro1980 said:
Slowboathome said:
isaldiri said:
You expect a massively inferior military force to come out and fight the israelis on their terms? Seriously?
No. We expect them to carry on fighting no matter how many of their fellow Palestinians die. Because they'd rather kill Jews than surrender and let their women and children live.
PRTVR said:
NRS said:
mko9 said:
It couldn't possibly be that HAMAS fighters deliberately went there to hide amongst the civilians, right? It could only be that the Israelis are the worst human beings on the face of the planet.
Israel doesn't have to tell civilians where to go for safety, they could just conduct their operations. They are doing it to reduce civilian casualties.
It’s worse saying a zone will be safe than airstriking it! How would you feel if that was your kid? Israel doesn't have to tell civilians where to go for safety, they could just conduct their operations. They are doing it to reduce civilian casualties.
Use hospitals schools and hide behind and amongst civilians, are they allowed to be totally safe because of their actions ?
skyrover said:
Israel needs to eliminate Hamas and secure the gaza strip.
This is what was stated in the beginning and this is what needs to happen.
How do you do that when each death of an innocent Palestinian is likely to make a new Hamas fighter? This is what was stated in the beginning and this is what needs to happen.
NRS said:
PRTVR said:
NRS said:
mko9 said:
It couldn't possibly be that HAMAS fighters deliberately went there to hide amongst the civilians, right? It could only be that the Israelis are the worst human beings on the face of the planet.
Israel doesn't have to tell civilians where to go for safety, they could just conduct their operations. They are doing it to reduce civilian casualties.
It’s worse saying a zone will be safe than airstriking it! How would you feel if that was your kid? Israel doesn't have to tell civilians where to go for safety, they could just conduct their operations. They are doing it to reduce civilian casualties.
Use hospitals schools and hide behind and amongst civilians, are they allowed to be totally safe because of their actions ?
skyrover said:
Israel needs to eliminate Hamas and secure the gaza strip.
This is what was stated in the beginning and this is what needs to happen.
How do you do that when each death of an innocent Palestinian is likely to make a new Hamas fighter? This is what was stated in the beginning and this is what needs to happen.
Did the death of every womam and child create a new ISIS terrorist?
If yes, where are they all now?
Unreal said:
NRS said:
PRTVR said:
NRS said:
mko9 said:
It couldn't possibly be that HAMAS fighters deliberately went there to hide amongst the civilians, right? It could only be that the Israelis are the worst human beings on the face of the planet.
Israel doesn't have to tell civilians where to go for safety, they could just conduct their operations. They are doing it to reduce civilian casualties.
It’s worse saying a zone will be safe than airstriking it! How would you feel if that was your kid? Israel doesn't have to tell civilians where to go for safety, they could just conduct their operations. They are doing it to reduce civilian casualties.
Use hospitals schools and hide behind and amongst civilians, are they allowed to be totally safe because of their actions ?
skyrover said:
Israel needs to eliminate Hamas and secure the gaza strip.
This is what was stated in the beginning and this is what needs to happen.
How do you do that when each death of an innocent Palestinian is likely to make a new Hamas fighter? This is what was stated in the beginning and this is what needs to happen.
Did the death of every womam and child create a new ISIS terrorist?
If yes, where are they all now?
Nazism was an ideology, whereas Palestinians are engaged in a fight for the right to exist.
Unreal said:
NRS said:
PRTVR said:
NRS said:
mko9 said:
It couldn't possibly be that HAMAS fighters deliberately went there to hide amongst the civilians, right? It could only be that the Israelis are the worst human beings on the face of the planet.
Israel doesn't have to tell civilians where to go for safety, they could just conduct their operations. They are doing it to reduce civilian casualties.
It’s worse saying a zone will be safe than airstriking it! How would you feel if that was your kid? Israel doesn't have to tell civilians where to go for safety, they could just conduct their operations. They are doing it to reduce civilian casualties.
Use hospitals schools and hide behind and amongst civilians, are they allowed to be totally safe because of their actions ?
skyrover said:
Israel needs to eliminate Hamas and secure the gaza strip.
This is what was stated in the beginning and this is what needs to happen.
How do you do that when each death of an innocent Palestinian is likely to make a new Hamas fighter? This is what was stated in the beginning and this is what needs to happen.
Did the death of every womam and child create a new ISIS terrorist?
If yes, where are they all now?
Also the Allies weren't rounding up and killing people with certain religious or social backgrounds, that was the Nazis so slightly muddled comparison there!
dukeboy749r said:
Unreal said:
NRS said:
PRTVR said:
NRS said:
mko9 said:
It couldn't possibly be that HAMAS fighters deliberately went there to hide amongst the civilians, right? It could only be that the Israelis are the worst human beings on the face of the planet.
Israel doesn't have to tell civilians where to go for safety, they could just conduct their operations. They are doing it to reduce civilian casualties.
It’s worse saying a zone will be safe than airstriking it! How would you feel if that was your kid? Israel doesn't have to tell civilians where to go for safety, they could just conduct their operations. They are doing it to reduce civilian casualties.
Use hospitals schools and hide behind and amongst civilians, are they allowed to be totally safe because of their actions ?
skyrover said:
Israel needs to eliminate Hamas and secure the gaza strip.
This is what was stated in the beginning and this is what needs to happen.
How do you do that when each death of an innocent Palestinian is likely to make a new Hamas fighter? This is what was stated in the beginning and this is what needs to happen.
Did the death of every womam and child create a new ISIS terrorist?
If yes, where are they all now?
Nazism was an ideology, whereas Palestinians are engaged in a fight for the right to exist.
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