Policing of pro Palestinian marches

[White-Noise]

Douglas Quaid said:

The guy is a dhead and if the police hadn’t been there he probably would’ve been kicked in. That is what he wanted, but once the crowd started then it might have been worse than he wanted. The copper didn’t want that to happen.

Give the copper a bonus for dealing with this kind of bks.

These people are just out to cause a scene and trouble. If you have a point and want to say it fine. Do it in a constructive manner. But trying to provoke, get reactions when it's a tricky enough situation as it is and taking a film crew with you. Have you really nothing better to do. Guess what mate there are places I don't go because it ain't safe! Most of us have limits.

[ukwill]

Mojooo said:

wc98 said:

Mojooo said:

He should get exactly the same treatment a Palestinian would get if they walked across an Israeli March in Israel.

Why ? We aren't in Israel ,we are in the UK. I thought the general consensus was people tend to come here from other countries because it's a generally more accepting place than many others around the world and possibly to get away from that behaviour.

I was being a bit facetious... the guy wanted a punch in the face to further his cause. Shame he didnt get one. As far as the police go they should have just given him a warning and then let him be on his way - he seems to have 3 people with him - 2 of them looked 'openly Jewish' as wel lso he wasn't on his own.

“Shame he didn’t get one…”

Yeah, he was definitely asking to be beaten up. What was he thinking, trying to cross the road as a visibly Jewish bloke during an entirely peaceful pro-Palestinian March.

Another thread to bookmark for posterity.

[NerveAgent]

Douglas Quaid said:

The guy is a dhead and if the police hadn’t been there he probably would’ve been kicked in. That is what he wanted, but once the crowd started then it might have been worse than he wanted. The copper didn’t want that to happen.

Give the copper a bonus for dealing with this kind of bks.

Seems like he got exactly what he wanted if that’s the angle people are taking

I’m guessing people have a pretty low opinion of the “pro-Palestinian” crowd and what they are out for.

[Vanden Saab]

White-Noise said:

Douglas Quaid said:

The guy is a dhead and if the police hadn’t been there he probably would’ve been kicked in. That is what he wanted, but once the crowd started then it might have been worse than he wanted. The copper didn’t want that to happen.

Give the copper a bonus for dealing with this kind of bks.

These people are just out to cause a scene and trouble. If you have a point and want to say it fine. Do it in a constructive manner. But trying to provoke, get reactions when it's a tricky enough situation as it is and taking a film crew with you. Have you really nothing better to do. Guess what mate there are places I don't go because it ain't safe! Most of us have limits.

Because it is not safe for Jews during the fortnightly 'peace' marches they should just stay away. Got it.

[MrJuice]

Vanden Saab said:

Because it is not safe for Jews during the fortnightly 'peace' marches they should just stay away. Got it.

Why do you think two sets of supporters are kept separate at football matches?

Oil and water

That CAA guy was trying to stir up tension like Tommy Robinson. What an idiot. Now has egg on his face like Tommy Robinson

[White-Noise]

Vanden Saab said:

White-Noise said:

Douglas Quaid said:

The guy is a dhead and if the police hadn’t been there he probably would’ve been kicked in. That is what he wanted, but once the crowd started then it might have been worse than he wanted. The copper didn’t want that to happen.

Give the copper a bonus for dealing with this kind of bks.

These people are just out to cause a scene and trouble. If you have a point and want to say it fine. Do it in a constructive manner. But trying to provoke, get reactions when it's a tricky enough situation as it is and taking a film crew with you. Have you really nothing better to do. Guess what mate there are places I don't go because it ain't safe! Most of us have limits.

Because it is not safe for Jews during the fortnightly 'peace' marches they should just stay away. Got it.

If you go walking directly into an oncoming crowd of hundreds or thousands of people... you think that's a sensible idea? We should let everyone do that... runners, kids in buggies too? If you display your colours and go trying to purposely get in someone's way on a highly sensitive topic it risks starting something and an escalation. People want problems.

[Vanden Saab]

MrJuice said:

Vanden Saab said:

Because it is not safe for Jews during the fortnightly 'peace' marches they should just stay away. Got it.

Why do you think two sets of supporters are kept separate at football matches?

Oil and water

That CAA guy was trying to stir up tension like Tommy Robinson. What an idiot. Now has egg on his face like Tommy Robinson

You would be happy staying at home every other Saturday because a group of people who were marching in your town would attack you if you went out.

[White-Noise]

Vanden Saab said:

MrJuice said:

Vanden Saab said:

Because it is not safe for Jews during the fortnightly 'peace' marches they should just stay away. Got it.

Why do you think two sets of supporters are kept separate at football matches?

Oil and water

That CAA guy was trying to stir up tension like Tommy Robinson. What an idiot. Now has egg on his face like Tommy Robinson

You would be happy staying at home every other Saturday because a group of people who were marching in your town who would attack you if you went out.

He wasnt staying at home. This bloke was out and about literally trying to cause problems and still he didn't get attacked.

[Mr Penguin]

So what would happen if it happened to someone else wearing a Kippah who wasn't there to make a point?

[Mojooo]

The situation worked out perfect for him

If he had gotten beaten up then it would have raised questions about the protests and they would possibly be banned or whatnot.

By the Policeman using a poor choice of phrase he he has twisted the whole thing around to policing generally and anti Semitism.

[ukwill]

White-Noise said:

He wasnt staying at home. This bloke was out and about literally trying to cause problems and still he didn't get attacked.

A visibly Jewish bloke was “out & about” whilst entirely peaceful pro-Palestinian marches were going on?

What was he thinking?


This thread has descended into a grimness I really didn’t think existed on this forum.

[MrJuice]

Vanden Saab said:

You would be happy staying at home every other Saturday because a group of people who were marching in your town would attack you if you went out.

Are you asking if I would I be surprised if I deliberately antagonised people and then got attacked?

The answer is no

And I wouldn't be happy staying home every other Saturday either. But that's not what anyone is being asked to do, is it?

[White-Noise]

ukwill said:

White-Noise said:

He wasnt staying at home. This bloke was out and about literally trying to cause problems and still he didn't get attacked.

A visibly Jewish bloke was “out & about” whilst entirely peaceful pro-Palestinian marches were going on?

What was he thinking?


This thread has descended into a grimness I really didn’t think existed on this forum.

He was thinking he would go and try and be provocative. And the proof is just that because he's made the top of the news. He wasn't exactly nipping down the shops. With his film crew wearing a microphone as he knew it would cause a stir.

[rohrl]

Who are Campaign Against Antisemitism?

Interesting maybe that other Jewish organisations such as the much more well known Community Safety Trust and Institute for Jewish Policy Research seem to think that they are pretty extreme and unreliable. They seem to be more about supporting right wing Israeli politics than anything else.

[Biker 1]

I find it a bit odd that during his altercation with the cops he was wearing a kippa. I have seen at least one subsequent TV interview where he was devoid of kippa. All the kippa wearing Jews I know, wear them all the time, with the exception of sleep, so not convinced by the tactics.
Anyway, I also understand that Judaism is considered a religion as well as a race. What might the reaction to somebody threatened with arrest for being 'openly black' be I shudder to think?

[wc98]

rohrl said:

Picking a fight with a children’s hospital sounds like a good thing to you, knowing nothing else about the case?

Just had a quick look, have to say i would have thought hospitals (especially GOSH) would be the last place anti semitism training would be required. Is this a standard thing in hospitals or on a voluntary basis if it was felt it was needed ?

If the link above is true as to the reason the training was cancelled that really wouldn't be a good look and speaks to ever increasing divisions in sectors of society i wouldn't have thought it possible.

[MrJuice]

wc98 said:

Just had a quick look, have to say i would have thought hospitals (especially GOSH) would be the last place anti semitism training would be required. Is this a standard thing in hospitals or on a voluntary basis if it was felt it was needed ?

If the link above is true as to the reason the training was cancelled that really wouldn't be a good look and speaks to ever increasing divisions in sectors of society i wouldn't have thought it possible.

I call utter bullst on the whole thing

I have worked at numerous hospitals. I have spoken to lots of colleagues about this too. I have not come across a single Muslim network at any of them.

There might be a few guys who liaise with management about prayer space but I wouldn't call that a Muslim network. They would be the absolute last people you'd consult on anti semetism training FFS. What mandate do they have? None.

It is BS. No wonder gosh have not responded

[pork911]

Biker 1 said:

I find it a bit odd that during his altercation with the cops he was wearing a kippa. I have seen at least one subsequent TV interview where he was devoid of kippa. All the kippa wearing Jews I know, wear them all the time, with the exception of sleep, so not convinced by the tactics.
Anyway, I also understand that Judaism is considered a religion as well as a race. What might the reaction to somebody threatened with arrest for being 'openly black' be I shudder to think?

Do those Jews you know continue wearing them immediately after being threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish?

Why do you shudder at the thought of the reaction to somebody being threatened with arrest for being openly black rather than shudder at the thought of them being so threatened?

[wc98]

Mojooo said:

I was being a bit facetious... the guy wanted a punch in the face to further his cause. Shame he didnt get one. As far as the police go they should have just given him a warning and then let him be on his way - he seems to have 3 people with him - 2 of them looked 'openly Jewish' as wel lso he wasn't on his own.

If he was out trying to provoke a physical response then i would tend to agree with that though there is no way of knowing. I treat everyone the way i would like to be treated and that includes receiving or giving a punch in the face for certain behaviours, i am quite a literal person though.
We still have a situation where there were four Jews that had their freedom restricted because the Police felt they couldn't protect them from people protesting about other people being harmed in another country. Maybe if those doing the protesting showed some restraint and created an atmosphere where others didn't feel threatened they would get more support from the wider public ?

I hate seeing this all play out and wondering where it is going to lead, i don't think anyone wants long running conflicts from further afield being played out on UK soil and some of these incidents are making a mockery of the law and how people perceive it should be enforced, ie without fear or favour.

[Not-The-Messiah]

Countdown said:

What should the Police’s reaction be if a person wearing Celtic colours wants to walk through a group of Rangers fans, or a black or Asian person wanting to walk through a BNP/EDL march?

I've just read through that last few pages and there are a few posts like this.

So what the consensus seems to be is that these marches and the people on them are on par to the likes of drunk football hooligans and EDL/BNP supporters.

I was told they were peaceful protests but I obviously was being misinformed.