Policing of pro Palestinian marches

Policing of pro Palestinian marches

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Oliver Hardy

Original Poster:

2,563 posts

75 months

Monday 16th October 2023
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this isn't about the rights or wrongs of the conflict in Israel, people are entitled to their views and to be sympathetic to one or the other side.

However what is the feeling about the way the police, especially the Met have policed the gatherings. Some of the speeches seem to be a bit OTT and according to Talk TV, or was it GB News, the police have refused to log crimes as hate crimes such as the vandalise of the Jewish owned restaurant.

I know the police are in a difficult position and need to tread carefully but they also need to apply the law# equally.

Earthdweller

13,591 posts

127 months

Monday 16th October 2023
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We have a small ( relatively ) unarmed Police service with no paramilitary capability and an ethos of policing by consent

Our peer nations, other than Ireland, police by authority and command

The Met mustered 1k police to control umpteen 1000’s of angry protesters.. to say that it only involves 7 arrests and no significant disorder is a WIN on the day

The U.K. are very good at Evidence gathering and arresting offernders post event

In New York, comparable size, the NYPD put 48k officers on the street on Saturday in uniform

In France there has been serious disorder, likewise Germany and they have Police forces three times the size of the U.K. with large paramilitary elements

Really I don’t think the U.K. and in particular the Met deserve criticism in this case as the number 1 priority is keeping the peace and it seems they succeeded very well on Saturday

As for GB News reports let’s just take them with a pinch of salt

S600BSB

4,663 posts

107 months

Monday 16th October 2023
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Oliver Hardy said:
this isn't about the rights or wrongs of the conflict in Israel, people are entitled to their views and to be sympathetic to one or the other side.

However what is the feeling about the way the police, especially the Met have policed the gatherings. Some of the speeches seem to be a bit OTT and according to Talk TV, or was it GB News, the police have refused to log crimes as hate crimes such as the vandalise of the Jewish owned restaurant.

I know the police are in a difficult position and need to tread carefully but they also need to apply the law# equally.
Best ignore GB News.

greygoose

8,269 posts

196 months

Monday 16th October 2023
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S600BSB said:
Oliver Hardy said:
this isn't about the rights or wrongs of the conflict in Israel, people are entitled to their views and to be sympathetic to one or the other side.

However what is the feeling about the way the police, especially the Met have policed the gatherings. Some of the speeches seem to be a bit OTT and according to Talk TV, or was it GB News, the police have refused to log crimes as hate crimes such as the vandalise of the Jewish owned restaurant.

I know the police are in a difficult position and need to tread carefully but they also need to apply the law# equally.
Best ignore GB News.
But how would they know what to be angry about today?

bigandclever

13,795 posts

239 months

Monday 16th October 2023
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Oliver Hardy said:
the police have refused to log crimes as hate crimes such as the vandalise of the Jewish owned restaurant.
Is that the one where the door was smashed and the till taken?

The Met have recorded a huge increase in hate crimes recently, not just anti-Semitic but islamaphobic as well. To suggest it's being reported and not recorded is a bit daft.

rscott

14,762 posts

192 months

Monday 16th October 2023
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bigandclever said:
Oliver Hardy said:
the police have refused to log crimes as hate crimes such as the vandalise of the Jewish owned restaurant.
Is that the one where the door was smashed and the till taken?

The Met have recorded a huge increase in hate crimes recently, not just anti-Semitic but islamaphobic as well. To suggest it's being reported and not recorded is a bit daft.
Yep, the restaurant attack which was linked to a string of similar robberies where the only common link was that the tills were taken.

JuanCarlosFandango

7,802 posts

72 months

Monday 16th October 2023
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Earthdweller said:
We have a small ( relatively ) unarmed Police service with no paramilitary capability and an ethos of policing by consent

Our peer nations, other than Ireland, police by authority and command

The Met mustered 1k police to control umpteen 1000’s of angry protesters.. to say that it only involves 7 arrests and no significant disorder is a WIN on the day

The U.K. are very good at Evidence gathering and arresting offernders post event

In New York, comparable size, the NYPD put 48k officers on the street on Saturday in uniform

In France there has been serious disorder, likewise Germany and they have Police forces three times the size of the U.K. with large paramilitary elements

Really I don’t think the U.K. and in particular the Met deserve criticism in this case as the number 1 priority is keeping the peace and it seems they succeeded very well on Saturday

As for GB News reports let’s just take them with a pinch of salt
Sounds good, until you see the same police force harassing people for a Facebook post, "by consent" of course.

President Merkin

3,039 posts

20 months

Monday 16th October 2023
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greygoose said:
S600BSB said:
Oliver Hardy said:
this isn't about the rights or wrongs of the conflict in Israel, people are entitled to their views and to be sympathetic to one or the other side.

However what is the feeling about the way the police, especially the Met have policed the gatherings. Some of the speeches seem to be a bit OTT and according to Talk TV, or was it GB News, the police have refused to log crimes as hate crimes such as the vandalise of the Jewish owned restaurant.

I know the police are in a difficult position and need to tread carefully but they also need to apply the law# equally.
Best ignore GB News.
But how would they know what to be angry about today?
There's always a grifter on hand to help out.





Actually arrested for punching someone in the face. But never let the facts get in the way of an opportunity to milk the credulous.

Timothy Bucktu

15,246 posts

201 months

Monday 16th October 2023
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oyster

12,608 posts

249 months

Monday 16th October 2023
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President Merkin said:
greygoose said:
S600BSB said:
Oliver Hardy said:
this isn't about the rights or wrongs of the conflict in Israel, people are entitled to their views and to be sympathetic to one or the other side.

However what is the feeling about the way the police, especially the Met have policed the gatherings. Some of the speeches seem to be a bit OTT and according to Talk TV, or was it GB News, the police have refused to log crimes as hate crimes such as the vandalise of the Jewish owned restaurant.

I know the police are in a difficult position and need to tread carefully but they also need to apply the law# equally.
Best ignore GB News.
But how would they know what to be angry about today?
There's always a grifter on hand to help out.





Actually arrested for punching someone in the face. But never let the facts get in the way of an opportunity to milk the credulous.
So Farage lied?
Or was incorrect?

Has he posted an apology yet for being wrong?

shed driver

2,166 posts

161 months

Monday 16th October 2023
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oyster said:
So Farage lied?
Or was incorrect?

Has he posted an apology yet for being wrong?
After 90 pages or so, it will turn out that the bloke with the flag has had his bank account closed.

SD.

Earthdweller

13,591 posts

127 months

Monday 16th October 2023
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Timothy Bucktu said:
Or perhaps even …



Killboy

7,371 posts

203 months

Monday 16th October 2023
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oyster said:
So Farage lied?
Or was incorrect?

Has he posted an apology yet for being wrong?
He is an "entertainer".

MBVitoria

2,398 posts

224 months

Monday 16th October 2023
quotequote all
Earthdweller said:
We have a small ( relatively ) unarmed Police service with no paramilitary capability and an ethos of policing by consent

Our peer nations, other than Ireland, police by authority and command

The Met mustered 1k police to control umpteen 1000’s of angry protesters.. to say that it only involves 7 arrests and no significant disorder is a WIN on the day

The U.K. are very good at Evidence gathering and arresting offernders post event

In New York, comparable size, the NYPD put 48k officers on the street on Saturday in uniform

In France there has been serious disorder, likewise Germany and they have Police forces three times the size of the U.K. with large paramilitary elements

Really I don’t think the U.K. and in particular the Met deserve criticism in this case as the number 1 priority is keeping the peace and it seems they succeeded very well on Saturday

As for GB News reports let’s just take them with a pinch of salt
Totally agree, although the Met will probably be out today apologising for the conduct of its officers regardless.

Countdown

39,959 posts

197 months

Monday 16th October 2023
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Killboy said:
oyster said:
So Farage lied?
Or was incorrect?

Has he posted an apology yet for being wrong?
He is an "entertainer".
Poundshop Bernard Manning

Countdown

39,959 posts

197 months

Monday 16th October 2023
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Earthdweller said:
Or perhaps even …


Stewart Lee's cabbie wasn't wrong biggrin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkCBhKs4faI

DSLiverpool

14,762 posts

203 months

Monday 16th October 2023
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At 59 this is most (the only) time I’ve been concerned being Jewish in the U.K.

So much so I’m thinking of changing my company name which is my surname.

Sad worrying times as we continued to amass an anti Jewish army here arriving both legally and illegally.

Countdown

39,959 posts

197 months

Monday 16th October 2023
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DSLiverpool said:
At 59 this is most (the only) time I’ve been concerned being Jewish in the U.K.

So much so I’m thinking of changing my company name which is my surname.

Sad worrying times as we continued to amass an anti Jewish army here arriving both legally and illegally.
I don't think the vast majority of people attending the marches are anti-semitic (my daughter was at the London march, along with some of her Uni mates).

FWIW she mentioned that there were a lot of jewish people there as well.

Vipers

32,894 posts

229 months

Monday 16th October 2023
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President Merkin said:
greygoose said:
S600BSB said:
Oliver Hardy said:
this isn't about the rights or wrongs of the conflict in Israel, people are entitled to their views and to be sympathetic to one or the other side.

However what is the feeling about the way the police, especially the Met have policed the gatherings. Some of the speeches seem to be a bit OTT and according to Talk TV, or was it GB News, the police have refused to log crimes as hate crimes such as the vandalise of the Jewish owned restaurant.

I know the police are in a difficult position and need to tread carefully but they also need to apply the law# equally.
Best ignore GB News.
But how would they know what to be angry about today?
There's always a grifter on hand to help out.





Actually arrested for punching someone in the face. But never let the facts get in the way of an opportunity to milk the credulous.
Farage fekked up again.

Derek Smith

45,685 posts

249 months

Monday 16th October 2023
quotequote all
Earthdweller said:
We have a small ( relatively ) unarmed Police service with no paramilitary capability and an ethos of policing by consent

Our peer nations, other than Ireland, police by authority and command

The Met mustered 1k police to control umpteen 1000’s of angry protesters.. to say that it only involves 7 arrests and no significant disorder is a WIN on the day

The U.K. are very good at Evidence gathering and arresting offernders post event

In New York, comparable size, the NYPD put 48k officers on the street on Saturday in uniform

In France there has been serious disorder, likewise Germany and they have Police forces three times the size of the U.K. with large paramilitary elements

Really I don’t think the U.K. and in particular the Met deserve criticism in this case as the number 1 priority is keeping the peace and it seems they succeeded very well on Saturday

As for GB News reports let’s just take them with a pinch of salt
Well said. There are many things the Met do which can be criticised but from what I've read in the reports and seen on TV, their international reputation for effective demo policing was supported by the way they dealt with a demo yesterday.

To be fair, part of the reason they can police with just 1K or so is that British demonstrators are, as a whole, quite cooperative. The number that have resulted in violence is very small compared to most other countries, and even then it's normally just a minority.


They did well it seems. I don't know how much credence to give to the report by Farage - oh, wait, yes I do. No need to comment on that.