Policing of pro Palestinian marches
Discussion
donkmeister said:
Super Sonic said:
donkmeister said:
So you agree that being against Islam and banning headscarves is fine because religion and clothing are both choices? Well I'd vote for you but I don't think the Hamas/Palestine supporters who totally definitely don't hate people for being Jewish would agree.
ETA just to be clear, I want all religion to p
s off out of my country. But I'll settle for "it's a private matter you do in your own home".
Maybe read what I put, and don't put words in my mouth.ETA just to be clear, I want all religion to p
s off out of my country. But I'll settle for "it's a private matter you do in your own home".Edited by donkmeister on Tuesday 23 April 09:46
Super Sonic said:
Gideon wasn't born wearing a hat. He chose to wear his kippah.
I think that's equivalent to my view of "there should be no overt displays of religion" (unless of course you are taking the "look how she was dressed, she was asking for it" school of thought.). However, many people out there who are protesting against Israel (and totally not antisemites finding the latest excuse) would disagree.
A bit more coming out about his colleagues on his walk back from synagogue. The gentleman in shades is ex Romanian military, who currently works as private security - https://www.linkedin.com/in/vicentiu-chiculita-687... .
Odd that.
And more footage has appeared, including this - https://twitter.com/EZUKFP/status/1782580694298046... - police officer claiming Falter had been going in and out of the protestors. Something he denied, then it was explained a plain clothes officer had seen him.
Odd that.
And more footage has appeared, including this - https://twitter.com/EZUKFP/status/1782580694298046... - police officer claiming Falter had been going in and out of the protestors. Something he denied, then it was explained a plain clothes officer had seen him.
Isn't the problem more the fact that met put put a statement saying the guy was stopped because he was openly Jewish and not with the policeman who stopped him?
Countdown said:
Who_Goes_Blue said:
Countdown said:
Bugger me sideways with a small aubergine 
There is nothing to stop you crossing the street.
There should be something to stop you crossing the street if your intention is to cause a breach of the peace by acting like a dhead.
Gideon is absolutely desperate to create a reaction so he can say "Antisemitism!!! It's because I'm JEWISH!!!!!!!!!"
But he wouldn't get a reaction because they are protesting against israel, not jews? Unless it is (also) about jews?There is nothing to stop you crossing the street.
There should be something to stop you crossing the street if your intention is to cause a breach of the peace by acting like a d
head.Gideon is absolutely desperate to create a reaction so he can say "Antisemitism!!! It's because I'm JEWISH!!!!!!!!!"
Or are you suggesting the protester are likely to get violent with anyone walking against their flow?
Gideon wants to stop protests against Israel's actions by weaponising Antisemitism card.
Oliver Hardy said:
These are hate marches, We don't have protests against China when they carry out mass persecutions against the Uighurs, or Saudi Arabi who carries out target practice on the Yamens, or the Russians when they fired chemical weapons on Syrians...
Yep, Israel should definitely have the right (and our support) to do what the Chinese/Saudis and Russians have done as well..... Oliver Hardy said:
Isn't the problem more the fact that met put put a statement saying the guy was stopped because he was openly Jewish and not with the policeman who stopped him?
Or are you suggesting the protester are likely to get violent with anyone walking against their flow?If it was about Jews then those marching in the protests would also be at risk.
Gideon wants to stop protests against Israel's actions by weaponising Antisemitism card.These are hate marches, We don't have protests against China when they carry out mass persecutions against the Uighurs, or Saudi Arabi who carries out target practice on the Yamens, or the Russians when they fired chemical weapons on Syrians...
No, the officer who stopped him repeatedly trying to go into the protest said he was "openly Jewish" which the Met have agreed was a poor choice of words. Perhaps "obviously Jewish" would have been better.Countdown said:
Who_Goes_Blue said:
Countdown said:
Bugger me sideways with a small aubergine
There is nothing to stop you crossing the street.
There should be something to stop you crossing the street if your intention is to cause a breach of the peace by acting like a dhead.
Gideon is absolutely desperate to create a reaction so he can say "Antisemitism!!! It's because I'm JEWISH!!!!!!!!!"
But he wouldn't get a reaction because they are protesting against israel, not jews? Unless it is (also) about jews?There is nothing to stop you crossing the street.
There should be something to stop you crossing the street if your intention is to cause a breach of the peace by acting like a d
head.Gideon is absolutely desperate to create a reaction so he can say "Antisemitism!!! It's because I'm JEWISH!!!!!!!!!"
Or are you suggesting the protester are likely to get violent with anyone walking against their flow?
Gideon wants to stop protests against Israel's actions by weaponising Antisemitism card.
People have the right to protest peacefully in this country, so those who disagree with Israel's actions are free to march, provided they act within the law. Just as other groups are allowed to march in support of their views.
There have been protests against the Chinese - https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/w...
isaldiri said:
Oliver Hardy said:
These are hate marches, We don't have protests against China when they carry out mass persecutions against the Uighurs, or Saudi Arabi who carries out target practice on the Yamens, or the Russians when they fired chemical weapons on Syrians...
Yep, Israel should definitely have the right (and our support) to do what the Chinese/Saudis and Russians have done as well..... Oliver Hardy said:
These are hate marches, We don't have protests against China when they carry out mass persecutions against the Uighurs, or Saudi Arabi who carries out target practice on the Yamens, or the Russians when they fired chemical weapons on Syrians...
Isn't the difference that we have lots of Muslim people in the UK and the war is a religious one? rscott said:
People have the right to protest peacefully in this country, so those who disagree with Israel's actions are free to march, provided they act within the law. Just as other groups are allowed to march in support of their views.
Protesters were sternly instructed to "stay away" from Whitehall on Remembrance Sunday. So there are limits, principally around the matter of common sense.I think that a few things to to take from this are that Gideon whatever is an agitator and out to cause an issue. The Met Police are very poor in their communications to the media and havent covered themselves in glory.
That the policeman involved took a sensible decision to avoid what could have been a real flashpoint with Gideon. His poor choice of words was bad but his intent was good and he handled things sensibly. If only his choice of words had been better he would have been the standout chap in this mess. As it is his sensible approach was the best thing to come out of this
That the policeman involved took a sensible decision to avoid what could have been a real flashpoint with Gideon. His poor choice of words was bad but his intent was good and he handled things sensibly. If only his choice of words had been better he would have been the standout chap in this mess. As it is his sensible approach was the best thing to come out of this
anonymoususer said:
I think that a few things to to take from this are that Gideon whatever is an agitator and out to cause an issue. The Met Police are very poor in their communications to the media and havent covered themselves in glory.
That the policeman involved took a sensible decision to avoid what could have been a real flashpoint with Gideon. His poor choice of words was bad but his intent was good and he handled things sensibly. If only his choice of words had been better he would have been the standout chap in this mess. As it is his sensible approach was the best thing to come out of this
Who is he agitating? There are already jews in the marches. One more wont matter?That the policeman involved took a sensible decision to avoid what could have been a real flashpoint with Gideon. His poor choice of words was bad but his intent was good and he handled things sensibly. If only his choice of words had been better he would have been the standout chap in this mess. As it is his sensible approach was the best thing to come out of this
Oliver Hardy said:
Isn't the problem more the fact that met put put a statement saying the guy was stopped because he was openly Jewish and not with the policeman who stopped him?
He wasn't stopped because he was "openly jewish". if that were the case then thousands of jewish people in the UK would be getting stopped daily. He was stopped because Police guessed (rightly it appears) that he was intent on trying to create a breach of the peaceOliver Hardy said:
These are hate marches, We don't have protests against China when they carry out mass persecutions against the Uighurs, or Saudi Arabi who carries out target practice on the Yamens, or the Russians when they fired chemical weapons on Syrians...
Because nobody in the UK tries to defend what the Chinese, the Saudis, or the Russians are doing. Randy Winkman said:
Oliver Hardy said:
These are hate marches, We don't have protests against China when they carry out mass persecutions against the Uighurs, or Saudi Arabi who carries out target practice on the Yamens, or the Russians when they fired chemical weapons on Syrians...
Isn't the difference that we have lots of Muslim people in the UK and the war is a religious one? Also there are many other far left organisations latching on.
Edited by Oliver Hardy on Tuesday 23 April 15:41
Countdown said:
Oliver Hardy said:
Isn't the problem more the fact that met put put a statement saying the guy was stopped because he was openly Jewish and not with the policeman who stopped him?
He wasn't stopped because he was "openly jewish". if that were the case then thousands of jewish people in the UK would be getting stopped daily. He was stopped because Police guessed (rightly it appears) that he was intent on trying to create a breach of the peaceCountdown said:
Oliver Hardy said:
These are hate marches, We don't have protests against China when they carry out mass persecutions against the Uighurs, or Saudi Arabi who carries out target practice on the Yamens, or the Russians when they fired chemical weapons on Syrians...
Because nobody in the UK tries to defend what the Chinese, the Saudis, or the Russians are doing. When was the last protest march against the Chinese?
When was there a protest on the scale of the anti Israel protest against the russians if there ever was one?
Oliver Hardy said:
So what was he going to do?
I'm pretty sure he was hoping somebody would punch him in the mouth so he could shout "ANTI-SEMITE!!!"Oliver Hardy said:
So this weeks protest against the Chinese will take place and next weeks protest and the week later?
When was the last protest march against the Chinese?
They'll take place as soon as our elected Government starts going on about China's inalienable right to exist and selling them copious amounts of missiles and bombs.When was the last protest march against the Chinese?
Countdown said:
Oliver Hardy said:
So this weeks protest against the Chinese will take place and next weeks protest and the week later?
When was the last protest march against the Chinese?
They'll take place as soon as our elected Government starts going on about China's inalienable right to exist and selling them copious amounts of missiles and bombs.When was the last protest march against the Chinese?
Your saying the marches are anti UK government protest?
Countdown said:
Oliver Hardy said:
So what was he going to do?
I'm pretty sure he was hoping somebody would punch him in the mouth so he could shout "ANTI-SEMITE!!!"Edited by Oliver Hardy on Tuesday 23 April 16:13
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