Policing of pro Palestinian marches

[DSLiverpool]

Countdown said:

DSLiverpool said:

At 59 this is most (the only) time I’ve been concerned being Jewish in the U.K.

So much so I’m thinking of changing my company name which is my surname.

Sad worrying times as we continued to amass an anti Jewish army here arriving both legally and illegally.

I don't think the vast majority of people attending the marches are anti-semitic (my daughter was at the London march, along with some of her Uni mates).

FWIW she mentioned that there were a lot of jewish people there as well.

Different marches different days, Jewish businesses are already being targeted and I sincerely hope it’s stamped out quickly.

[Derek Smith]

Solocle said:

Various PSC social medias glorifying terrorism. A speaker at Brighton PSC calling the massacre "beautiful", now arrested on terrorism charges. https://metro.co.uk/2023/10/13/woman-arrested-susp...

"No one" is rather a stretch, when there were anti-Israeli rallies before the bodies were even cold.

But the "it was a scam" crowd will continue to deny that the far left has an antisemitic bone in its body, while simultaneously cozying up with their "friends" in Hamas and Hezbollah.

Antisemitism, and racism, is independent of left/right politics. It is a feature of political extremes, to the extent that ultra left and ultra right are indistinguishable. While Knocker Powell was the favourite of the right-wing press, and I was working in a factory, after his rivers of blood speech the union leader organised a coach to take workers to a nearish speech of his.

[Countdown]

DSLiverpool said:

Different marches different days,

There were jewish people on the pro-Palestine march on Saturday.

DSLiverpool said:

Jewish businesses are already being targeted and I sincerely hope it’s stamped out quickly.

Agreed. It's despicable.

[98elise]

shed driver said:

I wonder whether Corbyn actually had a point that he wasn't anti-Semitic after all?

SD.

The man that called Hamas and Hezbollah friends, and refused to condemn Hamas over the recent attacks?

[Timothy Bucktu]

After this weekends marches...there should be no doubt Antisemitism is alive and well among the lefty movement.

[Derek Smith]

It's not helped by dishonesty of our very own PM.

Today, a labour MP asked about Israel 'laying siege [by] cutting food, water, power and medical supplies' to the Palestinians.

Sunak replied: 'The entity responsibility for the suffering we are seeing is Hamas and Hamas only.'

It's not only wrong, it is dishonest. It is the why Israel has threatened to do so, and has nothing to do with responsibility. It is a conscious decision to do so by Israel. It would also be a war crime, according to the UN's definition.

Sunak's far from stupid. He's picked the answer that gives him less aggro. The fact that it is a lie doesn't appear to worry him. Do the demonstrators feel the point of view of the Palestinians is being ignored for expediency by the UK's PM?

[Derek Smith]

Timothy Bucktu said:

After this weekends marches...there should be no doubt Antisemitism is alive and well among the lefty movement.

Using the situation to promote a particular political point of view is despicable. Racism is everywhere, left and right.

[Earthdweller]

Derek Smith said:

It's not helped by dishonesty of our very own PM.

Today, a labour MP asked about Israel 'laying siege [by] cutting food, water, power and medical supplies' to the Palestinians.

Sunak replied: 'The entity responsibility for the suffering we are seeing is Hamas and Hamas only.'

It's not only wrong, it is dishonest. It is the why Israel has threatened to do so, and has nothing to do with responsibility. It is a conscious decision to do so by Israel. It would also be a war crime, according to the UN's definition.

Sunak's far from stupid. He's picked the answer that gives him less aggro. The fact that it is a lie doesn't appear to worry him. Do the demonstrators feel the point of view of the Palestinians is being ignored for expediency by the UK's PM?

I know you are very politically biased but how on earth is that statement wrong?

[Vanden Saab]

Earthdweller said:

Derek Smith said:

It's not helped by dishonesty of our very own PM.

Today, a labour MP asked about Israel 'laying siege [by] cutting food, water, power and medical supplies' to the Palestinians.

Sunak replied: 'The entity responsibility for the suffering we are seeing is Hamas and Hamas only.'

It's not only wrong, it is dishonest. It is the why Israel has threatened to do so, and has nothing to do with responsibility. It is a conscious decision to do so by Israel. It would also be a war crime, according to the UN's definition.

Sunak's far from stupid. He's picked the answer that gives him less aggro. The fact that it is a lie doesn't appear to worry him. Do the demonstrators feel the point of view of the Palestinians is being ignored for expediency by the UK's PM?

I know you are very politically biased but how on earth is that statement wrong?

[Countdown]

Earthdweller said:

I know you are very politically biased but how on earth is that statement wrong?

Perhaps Derek thinks the policies of the Israeli Govt re: their treatment of Palestinians are also to blame?

[Earthdweller]

Countdown said:

Earthdweller said:

I know you are very politically biased but how on earth is that statement wrong?

Perhaps Derek thinks the policies of the Israeli Govt re: their treatment of Palestinians are also to blame?

A week ago the “Middle East had never been quieter”
according to the US Sec of State

The Israelis we’re celebrating a national holiday, teenagers from around the world were holding peace festivals in the desert

WTF changed all that and caused all this carnage .. it’s sure to hell wasn’t the slaughtered teens or the beheaded and mutilated children was it ?

Maybe Derek would like to blame it on the foundation of Judaism 4000 years ago

Sorry, Sunak was right the blood is on Hamas

[Derek Smith]

Countdown said:

Earthdweller said:

I know you are very politically biased but how on earth is that statement wrong?

Perhaps Derek thinks the policies of the Israeli Govt re: their treatment of Palestinians are also to blame?

Perhaps Derek thinks that Israel has the ability to make the choice. Hamas is not cutting the essentials. Israel is. It's doing it for political reasons, but that's not an excuse; it's the reason.

The Palestinians are being punished for something they did not do. It can't be that difficult to understand.

Not only that, it is stoking the fires. It's a way of manufacturing recruits for Hamas. It presents reasons for people to demonstrate.

[julian987R]

shed driver said:

I wonder whether Corbyn actually had a point that he wasn't anti-Semitic after all?

SD.

Corbyn is the the most anti-British and anti-Semitic MP ever. Complete buffoon.

[SWoll]

z4RRSchris said:

no one wants to see more Israelis dead, or Palestinians dead.

You can't honestly believe that statement?

[Solocle]

SWoll said:

You can't honestly believe that statement?

Technically I want to see more dead Palestinians - Hamas. It's not like it's practical to bring them in by and large.

And undoubtedly there will be some nutters who want to see more dead Palestinian civilians. And vice versa. But with the PSC, when the official pages for Uni groups post Hamas glorification and propoganda, the lunatics are running the asylum. And they need locking up under the terrorism acts.

Derek Smith said:

Antisemitism, and racism, is independent of left/right politics. It is a feature of political extremes, to the extent that ultra left and ultra right are indistinguishable. While Knocker Powell was the favourite of the right-wing press, and I was working in a factory, after his rivers of blood speech the union leader organised a coach to take workers to a nearish speech of his.

I'm hardly arguing that the far right isn't antisemitic. But I see no signs of that lot actually having any mainstream influence, despite the Tories lurching rightward. They're still not antisemites. Not that their immigration politics can't be a bit dog-whistle at times, which is bizzare coming from one of the most diverse cabinets in modern times...

Whereas with Corbyn in charge of Labour, the tankie lunatics were running the asylum. Currently I find the far left the main threat to my continued existence in the UK, not the far right. It was glorious seeing them get kicked into the long grass in 2019.

[Solocle]

julian987R said:

Corbyn is the the most anti-British and anti-Semitic MP ever. Complete buffoon.

Come now, we've got some contenders in that category. Oswald Mosley. Not to mention the Labour MPs under his watch, Chris Williamson, Dianne Abbott... There's a whole line up to "trot" out.

[Baldchap]

Earthdweller said:

Countdown said:

Earthdweller said:

I know you are very politically biased but how on earth is that statement wrong?

Perhaps Derek thinks the policies of the Israeli Govt re: their treatment of Palestinians are also to blame?

A week ago the “Middle East had never been quieter”
according to the US Sec of State

The Israelis we’re celebrating a national holiday, teenagers from around the world were holding peace festivals in the desert

WTF changed all that and caused all this carnage .. it’s sure to hell wasn’t the slaughtered teens or the beheaded and mutilated children was it ?

Maybe Derek would like to blame it on the foundation of Judaism 4000 years ago

Sorry, Sunak was right the blood is on Hamas

Nothing whatsoever changed, that's the reason this happened. Israel has always treated the Palestinians in Israel as a problem to be wiped out. You only need to look at historical numbers:



Daniel Day-Lewis wrote a very fraught account when he was in Gaza in 2005. Nothing has changed since.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/comments/1792v57/...

Eventually the Israelis were always going to drive the Palestinians (be it Hamas or civilian action) to do something big, which they did, giving the Israelis an excuse to commit genocide, which is what will happen now if left to their own devices.

Everyone sucks here. Both sides are guilty. Religion of all forms is a plague on the world and murder is murder no matter who you are. However, anyone surprised that this happened is either hugely misinformed or lying to themselves.

[hidetheelephants]

Skeptisk said:

z4RRSchris said:

Hamas are a terrorist organisation. They are also the legitimate government elected of Gaza with 30% odd vote of people who can vote. They will do anything to lead to the establishment of their own state, outside the rule of Israel government.

What they did to the people of Israel last week is deeply wrong, I don't know anyone who supports that. I do know many people who say that the terror they felt is one that the Palestinians feel daily and everyone on both sides should be pushing to a 2 state solution with no more bloodshed.

no one wants to see more Israelis dead, or Palestinians dead.

Is Hamas the legitimate government? I’ve read on other posts that they won an election but have not allowed another vote since. I have no idea how much real support they still have amongst the population in Gaza.

They won an election in 2006 then promptly trashed the constitution they were elected to follow by killing or ejecting a load of civil servants from Gaza(many were Fatah members, but still) and started a civil war with Fatah. Fatah aren't much better, corrupt, equally allergic to elections and also partial to employing religious bigots as police, but their hatred for and desire to put Israel out of existence is usually limited to fiery rhetoric delivered to media in Ramallah rather than launching improvised rockets at israeli kibbutzim, digging tunnels, kidnap and murder.

[rallycross]

Baldchap said:

Nothing whatsoever changed, that's the reason this happened. Israel has always treated the Palestinians in Israel as a problem to be wiped out.

Daniel Day-Lewis wrote a very fraught account when he was in Gaza in 2005. Nothing has changed since.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/comments/1792v57/...

Eventually the Israelis were always going to drive the Palestinians (be it Hamas or civilian action) to do something big, which they did, giving the Israelis an excuse to commit genocide, which is what will happen now if left to their own devices.

Everyone sucks here. Both sides are guilty. Religion of all forms is a plague on the world and murder is murder no matter who you are. However, anyone surprised that this happened is either hugely misinformed or lying to themselves.

I agree with your views especially the last paragraph, sadly don’t see any solution to this problem. If this escalates with Iran and Lebanon getting involved then this local problem of two opposed nations/religions (with no viable resolution) could cause chaos around the world. Lets hope it all stays contained or our police will face much more than some mainly peaceful protest marches.

[Biker 1]

rallycross said:

I agree with your views especially the last paragraph, sadly don’t see any solution to this problem. If this escalates with Iran and Lebanon getting involved then this local problem of two opposed nations/religions (with no viable resolution) could cause chaos around the world. Lets hope it all stays contained or our police will face much more than some mainly peaceful protest marches.

Sadly I think it will escalate to all out fighting with Hezbollah & a major ramping up of protest. Wouldn't be surprised if terrorism rears it's ugly head in this country again as a result.