45th President Of The United States, Donald Trump (Vol. 14)

[tvrolet]

LordLoveLength said:

Stormy! She’s smart and funny. Hope she gets the chance to take him apart.

She does appear to be smart and funny, but this appears to be a photoshop. The creases in the dress don't seem to be reflected in the mushrooms.
just sayin'...but it would be amusing if true.

[Crook]

minimoog said:

https://www.justsecurity.org/85581/the-manhattan-d...

Edited by Crook on Tuesday 23 April 15:43

[minimoog]

ScotHill said:

If Trump is found guilty what are the guidelines for sentencing?

Not sure but Cohen got 3 years for the same offences.

[CraigyMc]

ScotHill said:

So are we still in the realm of 'if Trump had paid her in cash out of his personal billions then none of this would be happening'?

If that's what takes him down, for the sake of $130k, it'll be like Al Capone going down for tax evasion.

If Trump is found guilty what are the guidelines for sentencing?

This particular case consists of 34 felony counts of falsifying business records under New York law, which is a specific penal offense of felony fraud --> https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/laws/PEN/175....
Each of the 34 counts relates to a specific, separate document in which the law has (allegedly) been broken, and each of those is entered in evidence in the case.

NY law said:

175.10 Falsifying business records in the first degree.

A person is guilty of falsifying business records in the first degree when he commits the crime of falsifying business records in the second degree, and when his intent to defraud includes an intent to commit another crime or to aid or conceal the commission thereof.

The "first degree" bit is relevant here as it relates to "his intent to defraud includes an intent to commit another crime or to aid or conceal the commission thereof."
In Trump's case, the falsified record allowed the commissioning of another crime; he claims the $130K paid was for "legal fees" in his accounts, which appears to be false according to

• the paper trail (invoices/receipts), and
• witness statements from both his lawyer at the time (Cohen, the chap who carried out this transaction for Trump) and
• Stormy Daniels herself, who received the money.

Cohen is no longer Trump's lawyer, and in fact has become an enemy of Trump.

The "intent to commit another crime" appears to relate to his using of Trump-for-president campaign funds for the hush-money payment, but instead recording it as "legal fees".

As a class E felony, each of the 34 counts can incur probation for 1-5 years and/or incarceration in state prison up to 4 years. For convictions where the defendant has a previous felony, prison is mandatory.
If you're wondering why Trump's on the hook for this instead of Cohen (the lawyer who carried the payment out) -- there's a specific defence of "but I was told to" for this, so the law is written to go after the boss.

TL;DR For Trump, it's likely this would just become a monetary fine, if he's convicted.

[Byker28i]

EddieSteadyGo said:

cookie1600 said:

Surely it doesn't matter if the said circumstances took place or not, what the crime is about is hiding a payment or payments to the actress to stop an embarrassing story emerging and then falsifying or just plain hiding them through alternative payments made via a third party (Cohen).

The salacious part of this trial is just fluff ('scuse the pun), it's the attempt to hide the payment through Cohen and then not declare it as such, that's the basis as I understand it

I'm not saying what is right or wrong. I'm just saying, based on his lawyers opening statements, what it seems his defence is going to be.

His lawyers and trump have claimed many things. In fact in yesterdays opening statement they were trying to blame everything on Cohen, like they tried to blame everything on Weissman in his last fraud trial.

[Byker28i]

Bonefish Blues said:

minimoog said:

silentbrown said:

Prosecutors have been somewhat cagey about exactly what the concealed crime was. He doesn't have to be convicted for the crime he's alleged to be concealing.

The other crime is campaign finance related.

Ah, that's helpful.

So why are we down the rabbit hole of whether it was or wasn't an actual affair?

Because team trump are trying to downplay everything. "It was just an affair" rather than it's another court case about trump fraud.

[Byker28i]

ScotHill said:

So are we still in the realm of 'if Trump had paid her in cash out of his personal billions then none of this would be happening'?

If that's what takes him down, for the sake of $130k, it'll be like Al Capone going down for tax evasion.

If Trump is found guilty what are the guidelines for sentencing?

Basically yes. If trump had paid with his own money, it would have been fine, but of course trump never used his own money, or used company/campaign money as if it was his own.

trumps getting advice to seek a plea deal now
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-hush-money-trial-26...

[Byker28i]

First thing today is trumps Gag hearing.

trump wants it dropped, prosecutors want him punished.

First filing pointing out trump broke the gag order from the 15th
https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24549153/20...

Then another filing on the 18th of further trump breaking his gag order.
https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24556619/20...

No doubt they'll bring up the attacks over the weekend, trumps attack on Cohen last night...

[Bonefish Blues]

Byker28i said:

Bonefish Blues said:

minimoog said:

silentbrown said:

Prosecutors have been somewhat cagey about exactly what the concealed crime was. He doesn't have to be convicted for the crime he's alleged to be concealing.

The other crime is campaign finance related.

Ah, that's helpful.

So why are we down the rabbit hole of whether it was or wasn't an actual affair?

Because team trump are trying to downplay everything. "It was just an affair" rather than it's another court case about trump fraud.

Yes, I'm there a while back - I thought it was being put forward as a legal defence which is why I was nonplussed. It's just the usual bks.

[Bonefish Blues]

CraigyMc said:

The "intent to commit another crime" appears to relate to his using of Trump-for-president campaign funds for the hush-money payment, but instead recording it as "legal fees".

Thanks

[Mortarboard]

Besides, as a defense, "Donald Trump isn't the type to cheat on his wife" is just throwing in the towel.....

M.

[-Cappo-]

ScotHill said:

If Trump is found guilty what are the guidelines for sentencing?

Based on the sanctions applied to him so far, I'm going to say 14 days in jail but deferred for 50 years.

[Byker28i]

In addition to sanctions, the prosecution is also proposing an expansion of both the gag order and the protective order which established an anonymous jury to include "an additional restriction on speech with respect to prospective and sworn jurors."

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24556619/20...

[shakotan]

LordLoveLength said:

Stormy! She’s smart and funny. Hope she gets the chance to take him apart.

You get that's a photoshop, right?

[LordLoveLength]

shakotan said:

LordLoveLength said:

Stormy! She’s smart and funny. Hope she gets the chance to take him apart.

You get that's a photoshop, right?

Not on my phone screen no. Sorry.

[Byker28i]

4 years ago 23 April 2020

"The disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute, and is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside, or almost a cleaning. It gets in the lungs"
https://twitter.com/i/status/1253448500676898818

To Dr. Birx - who was basically WTF!
"I would like you to speak to the medical doctors to see if there's any way that you can apply light and heat to cure..."
https://twitter.com/i/status/1253455239044308993

[Byker28i]

Mortarboard said:

Besides, as a defense, "Donald Trump isn't the type to cheat on his wife" is just throwing in the towel.....

M.

Stormy: “I lay there, annoyed that I was getting fked by a guy with Yeti pubes and a dick like the mushroom character in Mario Kart..."

Then that time Jimmy Kimmel had her on with a bunch of mushrooms and she chose the smallest
https://www.threads.net/@realariaajaeger/post/C6En...

[Kowalski655]

LordLoveLength said:

shakotan said:

LordLoveLength said:

Stormy! She’s smart and funny. Hope she gets the chance to take him apart.

You get that's a photoshop, right?

Not on my phone screen no. Sorry.

There are a couple of distractions to make seeing the Photoshop tricky

[Kowalski655]

Bonefish Blues said:

Ah, that's helpful.

So why are we down the rabbit hole of whether it was or wasn't an actual affair?

How would you define an affair anyway? Most of our partners would still see 30 seconds of mediocre sex as an affair, so proving he fked her should be enough. On the AGs side there is Stormy, trump's tweets, no doubt some others, on trump's side...not even him as he won't take the stand,at least not if his lawyers are vaguely in control.

Remember, Clinton"didn't have intercourse" , it's all just words

[Bonefish Blues]

Sexual relations wasn't it?