45th President Of The United States, Donald Trump (Vol. 14)
Discussion
hidetheelephants said:
NRS said:
I do appreciate your posts and agree with quite a few of them. The issue to me is each time things change there’s an explanation on why it’s ok and still bad for Trump.
In this case I don’t remember seeing anyone say it was likely the amount of money would be reduced, it was all about him losing his properties etc as he had no money. (It might have been posted but I missed it though). After it happens suddenly it was clearly going to be changed though and he would pay a smaller amount that he could pay. It’s stuff like that where it’s always obvious what was going to happen but only posted with hindsight and bad for Trump no matter what. Same with the money for Truth - it’s likely a big cash bonus for Trump at some point soon. Some of the shares might fall, but he’ll still make loads.
The fine has not been changed; the bond required to be lodged for appeal was reduced but the fine remains the same. When the appeal is heard it might be reduced or it might be increased.In this case I don’t remember seeing anyone say it was likely the amount of money would be reduced, it was all about him losing his properties etc as he had no money. (It might have been posted but I missed it though). After it happens suddenly it was clearly going to be changed though and he would pay a smaller amount that he could pay. It’s stuff like that where it’s always obvious what was going to happen but only posted with hindsight and bad for Trump no matter what. Same with the money for Truth - it’s likely a big cash bonus for Trump at some point soon. Some of the shares might fall, but he’ll still make loads.
As you say though the fine is still the same amount regardless of the bond (pending appeal).
98elise said:
A bond isn't required for an appeal to be heard. It's a cash deposit that stops his properties being taken and sold while the appeal goes on. The appeal against the sum, so cash is better than taking property.
I don't think thats correct. He has to put some collateral up in order to be allowed to appeal. Be that a bond, cash, the deeds to his properties to the amount in question, whatever. Not all US states require the judgement sum to be put up in order to appeal, but NY does.Hence why you have lawyers far and wide - and even our cgt2 - admitting that securing a big reduction of the amount needed to be pledged to enable an appeal (against the full judgement amount +interest) was a huge win for Trump.
Good explanation here, which pre-dates the appelate court stay being granted
https://theconversation.com/trump-judgments-whats-...
https://theconversation.com/trump-judgments-whats-...
minimoog said:
98elise said:
A bond isn't required for an appeal to be heard. It's a cash deposit that stops his properties being taken and sold while the appeal goes on. The appeal against the sum, so cash is better than taking property.
I don't think thats correct. He has to put some collateral up in order to be allowed to appeal. Be that a bond, cash, the deeds to his properties to the amount in question, whatever. Not all US states require the judgement sum to be put up in order to appeal, but NY does.Hence why you have lawyers far and wide - and even our cgt2 - admitting that securing a big reduction of the amount needed to be pledged to enable an appeal (against the full judgement amount +interest) was a huge win for Trump.
hidetheelephants said:
CambsBill said:
If only a publication on the other side of the fence would publish an article arguing, on the same bases, that Obama should be allowed to stand again - just to see how many journos & politicians on the GOP side could be goaded into apoplexy 
Clinton opined that while two consecutive terms was probably enough allowing ex-presidents to run again after one term could be considered.I said before there is a subset of Republicans that would be quite happy with a one party state, assuming of course that that one party was the right one.
98elise said:
hidetheelephants said:
NRS said:
I do appreciate your posts and agree with quite a few of them. The issue to me is each time things change there’s an explanation on why it’s ok and still bad for Trump.
In this case I don’t remember seeing anyone say it was likely the amount of money would be reduced, it was all about him losing his properties etc as he had no money. (It might have been posted but I missed it though). After it happens suddenly it was clearly going to be changed though and he would pay a smaller amount that he could pay. It’s stuff like that where it’s always obvious what was going to happen but only posted with hindsight and bad for Trump no matter what. Same with the money for Truth - it’s likely a big cash bonus for Trump at some point soon. Some of the shares might fall, but he’ll still make loads.
The fine has not been changed; the bond required to be lodged for appeal was reduced but the fine remains the same. When the appeal is heard it might be reduced or it might be increased.In this case I don’t remember seeing anyone say it was likely the amount of money would be reduced, it was all about him losing his properties etc as he had no money. (It might have been posted but I missed it though). After it happens suddenly it was clearly going to be changed though and he would pay a smaller amount that he could pay. It’s stuff like that where it’s always obvious what was going to happen but only posted with hindsight and bad for Trump no matter what. Same with the money for Truth - it’s likely a big cash bonus for Trump at some point soon. Some of the shares might fall, but he’ll still make loads.
As you say though the fine is still the same amount regardless of the bond (pending appeal).
PomBstard said:
I try to follow this thread but have missed a few pages over the fast days, esp around the drop in amount required for his appeal in NY. So apologies if this goes over recent discourse…
AIUI…
The judgment is unchanged and trump has still been penalised just under $500M.
The judge has allowed an additional 10 days to the appeal period, and also allowed that $175M needs to be paid in order for that appeal to be heard, rather than the full penalty.
The appeal is about the size of the penalty, not the judgment itself - still guilty/liable - and that could change either up or down, or remain at its current level
Floating TS has provided opportunity for trump to access money that could cover either the amount required for an appeal to be heard ($175M) or possibly the payment of the full current penalty (c$500M). Whether either of those numbers could be realised in time Is debatable.
Once that money has been realised and penalty paid, it’s not trump’s - he still doesn’t have any money.
If that’s the case, how is trump in any way off the hook? He’s been granted a concession within the appeals process, but the need to pay c$500M hasn’t gone away, and the means to acquire that money are looking slight.
What have I missed??
Just to be clear, Trump did not need to post any bond for his appeal to be heard, he could appeal regardless, however if he didn't get agreement on the amount to be posted to satisfy the judge at this stage then he would face the repossession the full amount, hence he wanted to get an agreement in place. But the appeal would of gone ahead regardless.AIUI…
The judgment is unchanged and trump has still been penalised just under $500M.
The judge has allowed an additional 10 days to the appeal period, and also allowed that $175M needs to be paid in order for that appeal to be heard, rather than the full penalty.
The appeal is about the size of the penalty, not the judgment itself - still guilty/liable - and that could change either up or down, or remain at its current level
Floating TS has provided opportunity for trump to access money that could cover either the amount required for an appeal to be heard ($175M) or possibly the payment of the full current penalty (c$500M). Whether either of those numbers could be realised in time Is debatable.
Once that money has been realised and penalty paid, it’s not trump’s - he still doesn’t have any money.
If that’s the case, how is trump in any way off the hook? He’s been granted a concession within the appeals process, but the need to pay c$500M hasn’t gone away, and the means to acquire that money are looking slight.
What have I missed??
satans worm said:
Just to be clear, Trump did not need to post any bond for his appeal to be heard, he could appeal regardless, however if he didn't get agreement on the amount to be posted to satisfy the judge at this stage then he would face the repossession the full amount, hence he wanted to get an agreement in place. But the appeal would of gone ahead regardless.
trump also wanted to pay nothing "trust me I'm so rich I'm good for it" type approach - having been done for business fraud...Again he;s guilty of fraud - it's only appealing the amount - which he doesn't currently have.
U.S. District Judge Reggie Walton on CNN:
"It's very disconcerting to have someone making comments about a judge, and it's particularly problematic when those comments are in the form of a threat, especially if they're directed at one's family."
"We do these jobs because we're committed to the rule of law and we believe in the rule of law, and the rule of law can only function effectively when we have judges who are prepared to carry out their duties without the threat of potential physical harm."
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/29/politics/federa...
"It's very disconcerting to have someone making comments about a judge, and it's particularly problematic when those comments are in the form of a threat, especially if they're directed at one's family."
"We do these jobs because we're committed to the rule of law and we believe in the rule of law, and the rule of law can only function effectively when we have judges who are prepared to carry out their duties without the threat of potential physical harm."
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/29/politics/federa...
Reports Biden campaign is picking up apeed, after Bidens sucessful SOTU address and his mocking attacks on trump such as
"Just the other day, this defeated-looking man came up to me and said: ‘Mr President, I need your help. I’m in crushing debt. I’m completely wiped out,’” Biden told the audience. "I said, 'Sorry, Donald, I can’t help you.'"
https://www.alternet.org/biden-directly-attacking-...
"Just the other day, this defeated-looking man came up to me and said: ‘Mr President, I need your help. I’m in crushing debt. I’m completely wiped out,’” Biden told the audience. "I said, 'Sorry, Donald, I can’t help you.'"
https://www.alternet.org/biden-directly-attacking-...
Politico report on GOP voters who won't vote for trump
"You hear a lot of moderate Republicans now who say that they’ll never vote for Trump again," Emmet County, Michigan GOP chair Parker Fairbairn told Politico. Fairbairn added that voters there are longing for "commonsense conservatism," as opposed to Trump's blustery retribution-focused rhetoric and his proposed radical restructuring of the federal government.
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/03/30/trump-gop...
"You hear a lot of moderate Republicans now who say that they’ll never vote for Trump again," Emmet County, Michigan GOP chair Parker Fairbairn told Politico. Fairbairn added that voters there are longing for "commonsense conservatism," as opposed to Trump's blustery retribution-focused rhetoric and his proposed radical restructuring of the federal government.
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/03/30/trump-gop...
Byker28i said:
U.S. District Judge Reggie Walton on CNN:
"It's very disconcerting to have someone making comments about a judge, and it's particularly problematic when those comments are in the form of a threat, especially if they're directed at one's family."
"We do these jobs because we're committed to the rule of law and we believe in the rule of law, and the rule of law can only function effectively when we have judges who are prepared to carry out their duties without the threat of potential physical harm."
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/29/politics/federa...
Someone she hit him with a gag order,"It's very disconcerting to have someone making comments about a judge, and it's particularly problematic when those comments are in the form of a threat, especially if they're directed at one's family."
"We do these jobs because we're committed to the rule of law and we believe in the rule of law, and the rule of law can only function effectively when we have judges who are prepared to carry out their duties without the threat of potential physical harm."
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/29/politics/federa...
Exonerated Central Park 5 member and New York City Councilman Yusef Salaam reacts to Trump's attacks on the Judge Merchan's daughter and recounts his own experience being targeted by Trump.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1773892292610273365
Remember trump ran full page adverts demanding they were jailed
https://twitter.com/i/status/1773892292610273365
Remember trump ran full page adverts demanding they were jailed
Byker28i said:
U.S. District Judge Reggie Walton on CNN:
"It's very disconcerting to have someone making comments about a judge, and it's particularly problematic when those comments are in the form of a threat, especially if they're directed at one's family."
"We do these jobs because we're committed to the rule of law and we believe in the rule of law, and the rule of law can only function effectively when we have judges who are prepared to carry out their duties without the threat of potential physical harm."
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/29/politics/federa...
I think since Trump became President all those years ago and has continued to pump poison and toxicity into the US public it has made me realise that I don’t ever want to go back to the US for a holiday. It just feels like a country full of crazies. At this point in time I feel the world would be a better place if Russia, China, USA, North Korea and Iran disappeared off the planet. Never thought I’d be lumping the USA in that list but crikey,"It's very disconcerting to have someone making comments about a judge, and it's particularly problematic when those comments are in the form of a threat, especially if they're directed at one's family."
"We do these jobs because we're committed to the rule of law and we believe in the rule of law, and the rule of law can only function effectively when we have judges who are prepared to carry out their duties without the threat of potential physical harm."
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/29/politics/federa...
What a bunch of lunatics.
Byker28i said:
Reports Biden campaign is picking up apeed, after Bidens sucessful SOTU address and his mocking attacks on trump such as
"Just the other day, this defeated-looking man came up to me and said: ‘Mr President, I need your help. I’m in crushing debt. I’m completely wiped out,’” Biden told the audience. "I said, 'Sorry, Donald, I can’t help you.'"
https://www.alternet.org/biden-directly-attacking-...
Should have included the phrase ‘with tears in his eyes’ "Just the other day, this defeated-looking man came up to me and said: ‘Mr President, I need your help. I’m in crushing debt. I’m completely wiped out,’” Biden told the audience. "I said, 'Sorry, Donald, I can’t help you.'"
https://www.alternet.org/biden-directly-attacking-...
Liz Cheny still touring and in more reporting from her speech at Drake University she said the United States can't "survive" another trump presidency:
"We now have one of our two major political parties that has abandoned the Constitution."
"We can't survive a president who is willing to torch the Constitution."
https://eu.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politi...
The message is starting to get out, whilst trump can't afford to hold rallies to spread his lies. This was in the state paper
"We now have one of our two major political parties that has abandoned the Constitution."
"We can't survive a president who is willing to torch the Constitution."
https://eu.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politi...
The message is starting to get out, whilst trump can't afford to hold rallies to spread his lies. This was in the state paper
How deep the GOP rot went in Michigan
Emails reveal Michigan Auditor General Doug Ringler, whose office is supposed to be nonpartisan, helped write a GOP draft of a letter to himself requesting an audit of the 2020 election after a number of previously undisclosed meetings with House Republican leadership staff.
https://michiganadvance.com/2024/03/30/emails-reve...
Emails reveal Michigan Auditor General Doug Ringler, whose office is supposed to be nonpartisan, helped write a GOP draft of a letter to himself requesting an audit of the 2020 election after a number of previously undisclosed meetings with House Republican leadership staff.
https://michiganadvance.com/2024/03/30/emails-reve...
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