45th President Of The United States, Donald Trump (Vol. 14)

[LF5335]

dobbo_ said:

Edit sorry quoted wrong


I think you know this, in fact I'm sure you do.

This criminal trial is so far outside of the boundaries of any criminal trial that has ever happened. Normal rules don't apply. But even if they did - this guy is a former President and is running for President. It's insane.

So, what you see as Trump getting leeway is the prosecutors making sure it's absolutely nailed on and water tight.

You must see that?

Edited by dobbo_ on Tuesday 16th April 22:43

We were assured dozens of times that there is only one law in the US and that all people are treated equally, otherwise it would be chaos. Now, we’re being assured that Trump is getting special treatment because of who he is. Byker even linked an article on it a few days ago.

My point stands. I don’t see anything other than Trump never being on the hook. All these judgments are I’m sure very scary, but when you’ve no intention of ever paying, or it getting to the point where you have to then there are no consequences.

[Byker28i]

GOP still trying distraction

House impeachment managers deliver articles of impeachment against Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas to the U.S. Senate.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1780306614072783343

Mr. Green
Mr. McCaul
Mr. Biggs
Mr. Higgins of Louisiana
Mr. Cline
Mr. Guest
Mr. Garbarino
Ms. Greene of Georgia
Mr. Pfluger
Ms. Hageman
Ms. Lee of Florida

Quite the walk of shame.
Two of those were directly involved in trumps election stealing and insurrection attempt, Marge of course claims magamob jailed are patriots and hostages


Jim Jordan
Brian Babin
Andy Biggs
Matt Gaetz
Louie Gohmert
Paul Gosar
Marjorie Taylor Greene
Andy Harris
Jody Hice
Scott Perry
were all at the December 21 coup planning meeting.

Remember Marge boasted about it
https://twitter.com/i/status/1609248916406669313

[captain_cynic]

Byker28i said:

They have six jurors of 18 selected now. trump has 4 challenges left and the DA has 6. The six have been told to come back Monday at 9:30. If they're able to seat the rest of the jury Thursday and Friday, opening statements will be Monday morning

What happens if they run out of challenges?

Seems like both sides are burning through them.

[Byker28i]

Someone mentioned Kyle Rittenhouse the other day.

Charlie Kirk tried to have him as a guest at a speaking event at at Kent State University in Ohio. So many students turned up to protest that they cancelled the event and left by the back door
https://twitter.com/ScooterCasterNY/status/1780380...

Shouts of Murderer as he left
https://twitter.com/i/status/1780374729473310744

[Byker28i]

Fox rolled out McCarthy claiming it was Biden suing to stop trump being on Ballots, and then was behind trumps court appearances
https://twitter.com/i/status/1780391965944680900

Claims people run up to trump and hug him. trump doesn't allow any of the faithful near him and the black woman who hugged him in Chick-Fil-A was a stooge, it was all set up.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1780392488873648464

The lies they are peddling...


Then roll out Dershowitz, defender of the worse, to claim the gag order is unconstitutional, because it stops trump from attacking the witnesses…
https://twitter.com/i/status/1780406708617048336

Edited by Byker28i on Wednesday 17th April 06:53

[Byker28i]

Interesting summing up of Day 2 of the Manhattan DA’s criminal trial against trump

7 Jurors selected, and only 4 peremptory challenges left for each of the prosecution and defense, which could be a problem as teh defence trawl social media posts that trump could end up stuck with the kind of jurors his team doesn’t want: highly educated liberals.

One rejected juror was among the jurors who unanimously found trump sexually assaulted E. Jean Carroll at her first trial last year.

They'll have the jury by the end of the week.

[ScotHill]

captain_cynic said:

What happens if they run out of challenges?

Seems like both sides are burning through them.

Aren't they essentially conditionless vetos? The judge has seemingly dismissed many jurors himself, so if each side runs out of vetos then it will solely be up to the judge to accept or reject jurors.

[LF5335]

ScotHill said:

Aren't they essentially conditionless vetos? The judge has seemingly dismissed many jurors himself, so if each side runs out of vetos then it will solely be up to the judge to accept or reject jurors.

Wouldn’t he decide based on the arguments put forward by the defence & prosecution as to why they should accept / reject them.

[Byker28i]

ScotHill said:

captain_cynic said:

What happens if they run out of challenges?

Seems like both sides are burning through them.

Aren't they essentially conditionless vetos? The judge has seemingly dismissed many jurors himself, so if each side runs out of vetos then it will solely be up to the judge to accept or reject jurors.

Defence has the names of the jurors so have been going back through all their social media posts, and issuing challenges because of them which the judge accepts and dismisses.

Things like one rospective juror wrote about the case on his Facebook with the commen “Get him out and lock him up. Another posted an AI-created video that mocks trump claiming he was smart and said of trumps stolen classified docs case that “No one is above the law.”

trump had to sit through a whole day of people being nasty about him. Probably the first time ever he's had to do a 9-5 job.

The right thing to do though. Noone wants something suddenly found so trump can claim a mistrial

However yesterday Judge Merchan had to address trump’s conduct, telling Todd Blanche “while the juror was about 12 feet from client, your client was audibly saying something in her direction….I will not have any juror intimidated in this courtroom.”

[captain_cynic]

Thanks both.

Byker28i said:

ScotHill said:

captain_cynic said:

What happens if they run out of challenges?

Seems like both sides are burning through them.

Aren't they essentially conditionless vetos? The judge has seemingly dismissed many jurors himself, so if each side runs out of vetos then it will solely be up to the judge to accept or reject jurors.

Defence has the names of the jurors so have been going back through all their social media posts, and issuing challenges because of them which the judge accepts and dismisses.

Things like one rospective juror wrote about the case on his Facebook with the commen “Get him out and lock him up. Another posted an AI-created video that mocks trump claiming he was smart and said of trumps stolen classified docs case that “No one is above the law.”

trump had to sit through a whole day of people being nasty about him. Probably the first time ever he's had to do a 9-5 job.

The right thing to do though. Noone wants something suddenly found so trump can claim a mistrial

However yesterday Judge Merchan had to address trump’s conduct, telling Todd Blanche “while the juror was about 12 feet from client, your client was audibly saying something in her direction….I will not have any juror intimidated in this courtroom.”

This in spades, if Trump is to be convicted, he needs to be convicted beyond all doubt, not just reasonable doubt. Sadly we're dealing with a cult that is beyond reason.

[CambsBill]

Byker28i said:

Cohen claims trump never went to any of his kids graduations, that it was he and Melania who organised schools for Barron, trump played no part
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-michael-cohen-26677...

Edited by Byker28i on Wednesday 17th April 06:47

The judge should have asked him, in the courtroom and without his lawyers to prompt him, what the name of the school was. 10/1 says he wouldn't know it.

[98elise]

Byker28i said:

Quite a few reports highlighting trumps bond, basically repeating what was discussed on here. The new filing claimed it was backed by trump cash, then by trump cash and securities to the tune of $175m, which begs the question why didn't trump just put up the money if he had it.

But also that the company offering the bond doesn't have the money to pay it, which they have to have. trumps basically trying to use a trump promise to pay, which isn't even worth the paper it's written on.

Many expect the bond to be refused
https://www.salon.com/2024/04/16/absurd-experts-sa...

I would have thought to put up securities they would need to be liquidated, which would trigger capital gains taxes. That would mean he would need to liquidate more than the $175m. As security for a bond they don't need to be liquidated until the legal process is over.

Most seriously wealthy people don't keep a lot of cash sitting in the bank. It's invested and working for them, thats how they get wealthier.

[dobbo_]

LF5335 said:

We were assured dozens of times that there is only one law in the US and that all people are treated equally, otherwise it would be chaos.

I don't recall anyone saying that connected with anything happening quickly for Trump.

And also I don't recall anyone saying there is one justice system because that is very much dependant on the colour of your skin.

[Byker28i]

dobbo_ said:

LF5335 said:

We were assured dozens of times that there is only one law in the US and that all people are treated equally, otherwise it would be chaos.

I don't recall anyone saying that connected with anything happening quickly for Trump.

And also I don't recall anyone saying there is one justice system because that is very much dependant on the colour of your skin.

...and how much money you have - often linked

[LF5335]

dobbo_ said:

I don't recall anyone saying that connected with anything happening quickly for Trump.

And also I don't recall anyone saying there is one justice system because that is very much dependant on the colour of your skin.

I recall them saying it quite clearly. At no point did I mention anything about “quickly” in my comment. I’ll never find the original comment, as this thread moves at a pace with the amount of posts, but it was a very early concern that I had.

[dobbo_]

LF5335 said:

dobbo_ said:

I don't recall anyone saying that connected with anything happening quickly for Trump.

And also I don't recall anyone saying there is one justice system because that is very much dependant on the colour of your skin.

I recall them saying it quite clearly. At no point did I mention anything about “quickly” in my comment. I’ll never find the original comment, as this thread moves at a pace with the amount of posts, but it was a very early concern that I had.

So what's your point?

Which former President, faced with almost a hundred felony charges, has been processed by the justice system more quickly than Trump?

[Byker28i]

I mean look at Navarro - only just sent down for contempt. The US legal system can move very slowly if you have money
Bannon - still out of jail on appeal etc

[RustyMX5]

This popped up on the Beeb.

Supreme Court hears 6 Jan case that may hit Trump trial

[Byker28i]

RustyMX5 said:

This popped up on the Beeb.

Supreme Court hears 6 Jan case that may hit Trump trial

Yup they are hearing on the charge of Obstruction - that Thomas refuses to recuse himself from, despite his wife being involved.
He skipped the hearings Monday for no reason given but was back yesterday

One post claimed Thomas was trying to minimise the severity of trumps insurrection attempt
https://twitter.com/JeffreyToobin/status/178025451...

Whilst Justice Alito said people who have disrupted Supreme Court proceedings have not faced jail time, which was a complete lie
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/pro...

[Byker28i]

A reminder that it was AG Barr that killed the investigation into trumps hush money payments that saw Cohen go to jail, otherwise trump would have been prosecuted when he left office in 2021.

https://www.rawstory.com/barr-fixer/