Reform UK - A symptom of all that is wrong?
Discussion
President Merkin said:
Congratulations on identifying a crown dependency, governed independently, in Guernsey's case, since the 1259.treaty of Paris. Of course, were you inclined, you could have asked the question why Guernsey can do that & the mainland can't.
But you didn't.
Leave VS alone, he’s on a roll at the moment. He was caught out yesterday posting false information about Angela, he’d lifted it from Guido. A completely false and scurrilous claim fed by the lovable Paul Staines to his gullible followers, unsurprisingly there was no response when the facts were made known. But you didn't.
heebeegeetee said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
A person can believe what they like. I believe that all labour voters are close to being terminally stupid, but that does not make what I believe, or what you believe a fact.
Blimey.Irrespective of what anyone might want to think, we have a two party political system.
It would be an act of great stupidity to vote for more s
t of the like of the past 14 years.SKS talks about ‘smashing’ the people trafficking gangs, laudable but laughable.
Killboy said:
Dagnir said:
Being insulting is different to being ignorant and parroting words out of context, no?
What words out of context? People throwing 'racism' around willy-nilly is not the same as being insulting.
You seemed to be comparing the 2 on the same scale.
That's it.
Blue62 said:
Leave VS alone, he’s on a roll at the moment. He was caught out yesterday posting false information about Angela, he’d lifted it from Guido. A completely false and scurrilous claim fed by the lovable Paul Staines to his gullible followers, unsurprisingly there was no response when the facts were made known.
Yep, I'm well aware of what Staines has been up to over the weekend & enjoying the drubbing he received from actual knowledgeable people. VS, I notice mocked me on another thread for suggesting a few times he should exercise a little critical thinking, He really should though 
One of the more obvious drawbacks of being in thrall to any ideology is the tendency to lose your objectivity, to the point of punting obviously stupid things. Still, it makes for a chuckle now & again.
President Merkin said:
What I would expect is someone who just loves to look down on other people while haunting these pages to make the same point ad nauseum to raise themselves above playground insults on the basis that they started it, which in itself manages to be both childish and a sweeping generalisation.
In short, if you want to make the point that others aren't as clever as you, you are going to have to avoid saying stupid things because you know, the whole undermining your own credibility thing.
It seems to me that you are the one saying stupid things here. As for trying to make the point, that others are not as clever as me, I am doing no such thing. It just seems like it, from your hopelessly biased viewpoint.In short, if you want to make the point that others aren't as clever as you, you are going to have to avoid saying stupid things because you know, the whole undermining your own credibility thing.
Pan Pan Pan said:
It seems to me that you are the one saying stupid things here. As for trying to make the point, that others are not as clever as me, I am doing no such thing. It just seems like it, from your hopelessly biased viewpoint.
Uh huh.Pan Pan Pan said:
This is only another example, of the hard of thinking being offered the moon on a stick. Which is `exactly' the same as the labour, and tory parties are doing now.
The problem is that there are still some f*ckwits out there, who actually `believe' the garbage they are being fed by the main parties.
Maybe I'm naive but I would interpret describing people who hold views apart from yours as hard of thinking & fThe problem is that there are still some f*ckwits out there, who actually `believe' the garbage they are being fed by the main parties.
kwits, as pretty clear evidence of believing others aren't blessed with the same insight as you.It's not difficult pal, if you don't like being criticised for using juvenile language, then don't use juvenile language.
Riff Raff said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
It seems to me that you are the one saying stupid things here. As for trying to make the point, that others are not as clever as me, I am doing no such thing. It just seems like it, from your hopelessly biased viewpoint.
Jeez. Pot and kettle spring to mind.AW111 said:
Oookay, so it's not a point at all then.
Thanks for clarifying that.
Not what was said is it. I was being polite and explaining myself.Thanks for clarifying that.
But thanks for needlessly sticking your nose in with a condescending and dishonest strawman.
I find the use of such tactics are usually an indicator of great insight and perception, and used by only the greatest of minds.
Imagine my disappointment.
Anything else you want to be an irrelevant pest about, or shall we let this tangent drop off?
Pan Pan Pan said:
It seems to me that you are the one saying stupid things here. As for trying to make the point, that others are not as clever as me, I am doing no such thing. It just seems like it, from your hopelessly biased viewpoint.
Do you consider yourself the unbiased one here?Dagnir said:
AW111 said:
Oookay, so it's not a point at all then.
Thanks for clarifying that.
Not what was said is it. I was being polite and explaining myself.Thanks for clarifying that.
But thanks for needlessly sticking your nose in with a condescending and dishonest strawman.
I find the use of such tactics are usually an indicator of great insight and perception, and used by only the greatest of minds.
Imagine my disappointment.
Anything else you want to be an irrelevant pest about, or shall we let this tangent drop off?
Killboy said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
It seems to me that you are the one saying stupid things here. As for trying to make the point, that others are not as clever as me, I am doing no such thing. It just seems like it, from your hopelessly biased viewpoint.
Do you consider yourself the unbiased one here?It is the ones who arrogantly believe that the party they support, and everything `they' believe in, or say is right, and that anyone who disagrees with them is wrong, who are the deliberately blinkered ones .
It is amusing how they are so tribal, and blinkered, they immediately assume that I am a tory/reform/ Liberal party supporter, just because I point out the glaring, and numerous failures of `their' beloved labour party.
Any party, which gets an 80 seat majority, but which then does not do, what the people who gave it that 80 seat majority (Many of whom even defected from labour to the tories) wanted them to do, does not deserve to get into number 10. Bearing in mind that when Blair got in it was with a 150+ seat majority and he did not do what the people who voted him in wanted
Any party, which tries to kid the people that it supports the `working' man but which has been responsible for as many blunders as the tories, when `it' was in office, does not deserve to get into No10.
Any party, which uses the word `democrats' in its name, but which tried to over turn a democratically held people's vote, when the result of the democratic vote, was not the one `they' wanted should not deserve to get into No10.
Any party which is so small, or so new, it could not form an effective government, even if all `its' members got voted in, does not deserve to get into No10.
Unlike a lot of labour voters, who would vote for a dog t*rd to be prime minister, provided the t*rd was wearing a red rosette, I see no party worth voting for, at the next general election.
AW111 said:
You really shouldn't use terms like "strawman" until you learn what they mean.
It was a semi-related, misleading/dishonest point, that seems to make sense on the surface (and thus garner support) but is in actual fact a deflection from the truthful point being made.Perhaps it bypassed you..
...anyway, I shall repeat my previous question - Shall we end this silly tangent?
Edited by Dagnir on Monday 15th April 11:04
Dagnir said:
Killboy said:
Dagnir said:
Being insulting is different to being ignorant and parroting words out of context, no?
What words out of context? People throwing 'racism' around willy-nilly is not the same as being insulting.
You seemed to be comparing the 2 on the same scale.
That's it.
hidetheelephants said:
Dagnir said:
Killboy said:
Dagnir said:
Being insulting is different to being ignorant and parroting words out of context, no?
What words out of context? People throwing 'racism' around willy-nilly is not the same as being insulting.
You seemed to be comparing the 2 on the same scale.
That's it.
If Reform U.K. were not taking such actions then I would be concerned.
crankedup5 said:
heebeegeetee said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
A person can believe what they like. I believe that all labour voters are close to being terminally stupid, but that does not make what I believe, or what you believe a fact.
Blimey.Irrespective of what anyone might want to think, we have a two party political system.
It would be an act of great stupidity to vote for more s
t of the like of the past 14 years.SKS talks about ‘smashing’ the people trafficking gangs, laudable but laughable.
Or are you going to waste your vote?
heebeegeetee said:
crankedup5 said:
heebeegeetee said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
A person can believe what they like. I believe that all labour voters are close to being terminally stupid, but that does not make what I believe, or what you believe a fact.
Blimey.Irrespective of what anyone might want to think, we have a two party political system.
It would be an act of great stupidity to vote for more s
t of the like of the past 14 years.SKS talks about ‘smashing’ the people trafficking gangs, laudable but laughable.
Or are you going to waste your vote?
Plenty of issues have made me reflect upon who may represent more closely my political views.
No, I’m not planning to waste my vote.
crankedup5 said:
Reform U.K. is actively rejecting candidates which do not align with the views and policies of the Party.
If that's true then the racist candidates who were happily accepted and only binned off when outed by HNH has views which aligned perfectly with the those of the partyWhat sort of views are being 'actively rejected'?
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