Reform UK - A symptom of all that is wrong?
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Reform will receive a large number of votes from disaffected Tories and some Labour supporters in the 'red wall'. They won't win any seats, or if they do, you'll have change from the digits on one hand.
They are a protest vote party. They cannot deliver on their manifesto. They can't fiscally afford it. But that doesn't matter, they will be insignificant in a couple of years time.
They are a protest vote party. They cannot deliver on their manifesto. They can't fiscally afford it. But that doesn't matter, they will be insignificant in a couple of years time.
Jordie Barretts sock said:
Reform will receive a large number of votes from disaffected Tories and some Labour supporters in the 'red wall'. They won't win any seats, or if they do, you'll have change from the digits on one hand.
They are a protest vote party. They cannot deliver on their manifesto. They can't fiscally afford it. But that doesn't matter, they will be insignificant in a couple of years time.
I agree apart from the final sentence. Not so sure they’ll be insignificant. I reckon they’ve got a decent chance of becoming a major political force.They are a protest vote party. They cannot deliver on their manifesto. They can't fiscally afford it. But that doesn't matter, they will be insignificant in a couple of years time.
crankedup5 said:
tangerine_sedge said:
turbobloke said:
Wishful thinking? Or if not, evidence?
If the court would take a look at exhibit '1a' your honour, they will see the content of this thread. They should pay special attention to the ramblings of the nuttier end of team reform...[Img]https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2015/07/30/14/5856113.jpg[/thumb]
Your Honour Exhibit ‘B’ brexit.
Killboy said:
crankedup5 said:
You may think that the younger generation are more broad in their outlook, whatever that means. But the World is rapidly changing, the West is losing its trading and wealth superiority rapidly to the Asian pacific region alongside Mexico and other emerging economies.
You seem to be saying that you want things to go back to pre brexit, living in the past will not cut it.
If you are fortunate you may grow older and hold different views to those behind you.
I think many young people would love things to go back to pre-brexit, where they could work, study and enjoy a whole load of places and cultures in life. Not sure what's going to make them bitter and angry except what their parents have done to them.You seem to be saying that you want things to go back to pre brexit, living in the past will not cut it.
If you are fortunate you may grow older and hold different views to those behind you.
bhstewie said:
crankedup5 said:
bhstewie said:
crankedup5 said:
I do not support any notion of letting people drown anywhere or at any time. I am shocked at his response tbh.
I'm glad you'e shocked as it's a petty gross response.Given he's Co-Deputy Leader of Reform do you think Habib is likely to be the only person in the leadership of Reform who have that view?
Or do you think he just said the quiet part out loud?
I may be surprised and Habib will be gone tomorrow but I doubt it.
Reform include some very unpleasant people.
This is what lots of people keep trying to tell you.
mike9009 said:
crankedup5 said:
tangerine_sedge said:
turbobloke said:
Wishful thinking? Or if not, evidence?
If the court would take a look at exhibit '1a' your honour, they will see the content of this thread. They should pay special attention to the ramblings of the nuttier end of team reform...[Img]https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2015/07/30/14/5856113.jpg[/thumb]
Your Honour Exhibit ‘B’ brexit.
crankedup5 said:
chrispmartha said:
crankedup5 said:
I do not support any notion of letting people drown anywhere or at any time. I am shocked at his response tbh.
Hang on, I seem to remember you were quite happy for the RNLI to not rescue people drowning?Dagnir said:
The criminals breaking into our country to take advantage of our weakness are at risk? The risk they willingly put themselves in to break the law and break into our country?
If someone was risking a broken leg to break into your house through a skylight, would you put up a ladder and open the door to remove the risk of injury?
It’s morally wrong to steal. It’s not morally wrong to migrate.If someone was risking a broken leg to break into your house through a skylight, would you put up a ladder and open the door to remove the risk of injury?
Are you suggesting we remove laws relating to immigration so it’s perfectly legal to come and go as one pleases?
chrispmartha said:
crankedup5 said:
chrispmartha said:
crankedup5 said:
I do not support any notion of letting people drown anywhere or at any time. I am shocked at his response tbh.
Hang on, I seem to remember you were quite happy for the RNLI to not rescue people drowning?Eta : thinking about it I do now recall saying that the RNLI were acting as a taxi service, and still are. That’s not to say that I endorse watching people drown.
The issue is of course that people traffickers will advise their paying customers not to worry you will get picked up by RNLI.
Edited by crankedup5 on Wednesday 24th April 22:33
crankedup5 said:
You may think that the younger generation are more broad in their outlook, whatever that means. But the World is rapidly changing, the West is losing its trading and wealth superiority rapidly to the Asian pacific region alongside Mexico and other emerging economies.
You seem to be saying that you want things to go back to pre brexit, living in the past will not cut it.
If you are fortunate you may grow older and hold different views to those behind you.
So what that Asia Pacific is growing richer? I for one am happy that fewer Indians, Indonesians, Chinese are living in poverty. Does it really impact you that Switzerland is rich for example, or that Japan is? Trade is not a zero sum game. You seem to be saying that you want things to go back to pre brexit, living in the past will not cut it.
If you are fortunate you may grow older and hold different views to those behind you.
bad company said:
Jordie Barretts sock said:
Reform will receive a large number of votes from disaffected Tories and some Labour supporters in the 'red wall'. They won't win any seats, or if they do, you'll have change from the digits on one hand.
They are a protest vote party. They cannot deliver on their manifesto. They can't fiscally afford it. But that doesn't matter, they will be insignificant in a couple of years time.
I agree apart from the final sentence. Not so sure they’ll be insignificant. I reckon they’ve got a decent chance of becoming a major political force.They are a protest vote party. They cannot deliver on their manifesto. They can't fiscally afford it. But that doesn't matter, they will be insignificant in a couple of years time.
I can predict with a fair amount of confidence that the Tories will not be trusted for years to come, and likely reviled and despised by many.
The same old issues will likely remain, regardless of tie colour, mass migration and no plan to build the housing and infrastructure needed, and likely not the resources either. Net zero, with its massive costs that the politicians still aren't brave enough to tell the public about. Slow productivity growth and all that means for standards of living and funds available for state spending.
I think though if Reform were to break out above the 20% level they will need more credible leaders.
oyster said:
It’s morally wrong to steal. It’s not morally wrong to migrate.
Are you suggesting we remove laws relating to immigration so it’s perfectly legal to come and go as one pleases?
It's morally wrong to break into a country to bypass being processed properly because you know you don't have a valid reason for entry.Are you suggesting we remove laws relating to immigration so it’s perfectly legal to come and go as one pleases?
People pretty much can come and go as they please...migration was over 1.1m last year.
Dagnir said:
oyster said:
It’s morally wrong to steal. It’s not morally wrong to migrate.
Are you suggesting we remove laws relating to immigration so it’s perfectly legal to come and go as one pleases?
It's morally wrong to break into a country to bypass being processed properly because you know you don't have a valid reason for entry.Are you suggesting we remove laws relating to immigration so it’s perfectly legal to come and go as one pleases?
People pretty much can come and go as they please...migration was over 1.1m last year.
crankedup5 said:
Dave200 said:
smn159 said:
crankedup5 said:
Reform U.K. will build a base from 2024 ready for 2029-30.
Support for Reform has doubled to 12% in the last year. Their support in 2029 based on this trend will be 192% of the electorate.Go back to your constituencies and prepare for government!
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