Reform UK - A symptom of all that is wrong?

[cheesejunkie]

Dave200 said:

It's not an argument, it's actual data. Education and age are the two biggest correlations with support for Reform. They have practically no support among the highly educated or the under-50s.

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/48476-how-i...

I know it's not the specific point you're making but the age dividing line is a growing problem that has been fed and encouraged by the tories.

We should not be setting parts of society up against each other but that's what our political parties do.

There's a limit to how far some will accept it.

I know some of reform's policies, I doubt half the people saying they'll vote for them would agree with them if they happened. But they divide opinion and get some of those disillusioned supporting them. I almost want them to be successful to let some of the twunts see what they're voting for but I don't really.

[Dave200]

cheesejunkie said:

Dave200 said:

It's not an argument, it's actual data. Education and age are the two biggest correlations with support for Reform. They have practically no support among the highly educated or the under-50s.

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/48476-how-i...

I know it's not the specific point you're making but the age dividing line is a growing problem that has been fed and encouraged by the tories.

We should not be setting parts of society up against each other but that's what our political parties do.

There's a limit to how far some will accept it.

I know some of reform's policies, I doubt half the people saying they'll vote for them would agree with them if they happened. But they divide opinion and get some of those disillusioned supporting them. I almost want them to be successful to let some of the twunts see what they're voting for but I don't really.

I find a strange irony in older, less educated people voting against a left-wing party who prioritize investment in the sorts of services that those people tend to rely on. The reality is that people simply drift towards more conservative/Conservative views as they get older and feel less in touch with a society that they perceive to be changing. When you add in a lack of education, the accompanying lack of social mobility and lack of resources to fact check, they become and easy target for right-wing agitators like GBNews, who prey on their detachment from society. It actually makes me sad.

[Vanden Saab]

Dave200 said:

768 said:

Dave200 said:

It's exactly what I was saying a few pages ago, Reform appeals to older, less well-educated folks.

An argument that appeals to younger folks with media studies degrees. Went well with Brexit.

It's not an argument, it's actual data. Education and age are the two biggest correlations with support for Reform. They have practically no support among the highly educated or the under-50s.

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/48476-how-i...

Not this again, any poll of over 45s will find less than 10% are 'highly educated' because less than 10% went to university 45 years ago.
The social groups are interesting though.


https://li.com/whos-voting-reform/

[chrispmartha]

Vanden Saab said:

Dave200 said:

768 said:

Dave200 said:

It's exactly what I was saying a few pages ago, Reform appeals to older, less well-educated folks.

An argument that appeals to younger folks with media studies degrees. Went well with Brexit.

It's not an argument, it's actual data. Education and age are the two biggest correlations with support for Reform. They have practically no support among the highly educated or the under-50s.

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/48476-how-i...

Not this again, any poll of over 45s will find less than 10% are 'highly educated' because less than 10% went to university 45 years ago.
The social groups are interesting though.


https://li.com/whos-voting-reform/

Where are you getting that 10% of over 45’s went to University from? For a start someone who is 45 obviously wouldn’t have been at University 45 years ago.

I’m mid forties and Id say the majority of my friends went to university, probably because it was free in the 90s, and that’s when they would have been at University, not 45 years ago.

[Dave200]

Vanden Saab said:

Dave200 said:

768 said:

Dave200 said:

It's exactly what I was saying a few pages ago, Reform appeals to older, less well-educated folks.

An argument that appeals to younger folks with media studies degrees. Went well with Brexit.

It's not an argument, it's actual data. Education and age are the two biggest correlations with support for Reform. They have practically no support among the highly educated or the under-50s.

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/48476-how-i...

Not this again, any poll of over 45s will find less than 10% are 'highly educated' because less than 10% went to university 45 years ago.
The social groups are interesting though.


https://li.com/whos-voting-reform/

I'd suggest that a population-weighted and representative poll of 14,000 people is more likely to be accurate than a targeted poll of self-identifying party supporters. That's sort of how polling works. When you have nothing to weight against, you can't guarantee a lack of bias in data.

On the education point, it's not just among older folks that it's a correlating factor with Reform support. Across all age groups people with secondary or less education are significantly more likely to vote for Reform. You're conflating the two points when they actually demonstrate different things in isolation.

Edited by Dave200 on Friday 26th April 08:07

[cheesejunkie]

Vanden Saab said:

Not this again, any poll of over 45s will find less than 10% are 'highly educated' because less than 10% went to university 45 years ago.
The social groups are interesting though.


https://li.com/whos-voting-reform/

Bottom right corner. They are basically an evolution of UKIP who think there's unfinished business.

A party with no reason to exist so rename it and keep the Farage show going.

I have very little aggression towards reform voters (a bit if challenged but not much) but I have plenty towards the party. I do wonder about people who spend their days supporting them. Are they on the payroll, are they just disillusioned with the crap parties we have on offer. No matter how crap some of them are they aren't half as crap as reform. I don't think you're on the payroll by the way.

Edited by cheesejunkie on Friday 26th April 08:12

[bad company]

Dave200 said:

It's not an argument, it's actual data. Education and age are the two biggest correlations with support for Reform. They have practically no support among the highly educated or the under-50s.

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/48476-how-i...

Reform are predicted to get 12.5% of votes. That’s a lot uneducated, elderly thickies.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactiv...

They’re probably all jealous of your superior intellect.

Edited by bad company on Friday 26th April 09:08

[bitchstewie]

Older Conservative voting Leave supporting mostly men.

Well that's come as a real surprise.

[smn159]

bad company said:

Reform are predicted to get 12.5% of votes. That’s a lot uneducated, elderly thickies.

And?

[crankedup5]

chrispmartha said:

crankedup5 said:

chrispmartha said:

crankedup5 said:

chrispmartha said:

crankedup5 said:

chrispmartha said:

crankedup5 said:

Except I have of course made an acknowledgement on facts, well if we can call The Guardian reports as facts.

No you haven’t, your claim was totally factually incorrect.

Incorrect assertion.

People can see what you’ve posted you know.

Pity they don’t understand.

Understand what? Your inability to read and interpret figures?

Im sure they do.

Then you surety is misguided, no surprise.

Well, it’s not misguided is it, as a few posters are calling you out on your ‘facts’.

Yes, that will teach me to use The Guardian ‘facts’.

[crankedup5]

Dave200 said:

768 said:

Dave200 said:

It's exactly what I was saying a few pages ago, Reform appeals to older, less well-educated folks.

An argument that appeals to younger folks with media studies degrees. Went well with Brexit.

It's not an argument, it's actual data. Education and age are the two biggest correlations with support for Reform. They have practically no support among the highly educated or the under-50s.

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/48476-how-i...

This is the same issue raised during the brexit debate, nothing has changed. It seems that only the highly educated are correct in the decision making of the Country. Pleased you recognised your error in student numbers fact check, we can all make errors.

[chrispmartha]

crankedup5 said:

Yes, that will teach me to use The Guardian ‘facts’.

The Guardian facts were correct it was your misinterpretation that was the issue.

[crankedup5]

bad company said:

Dave200 said:

It's not an argument, it's actual data. Education and age are the two biggest correlations with support for Reform. They have practically no support among the highly educated or the under-50s.

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/48476-how-i...

Reform are predicted to get 12.5% of votes. That’s a lot uneducated, elderly thickies.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactiv...

They’re probably all jealous of your superior intellect.

Edited by bad company on Friday 26th April 09:08

Some of the most successful business people are older generation and not formally educated from a university. Many millionaires and billionaires. But it was easier back then apparently.

[crankedup5]

chrispmartha said:

crankedup5 said:

Yes, that will teach me to use The Guardian ‘facts’.

The Guardian facts were correct it was your misinterpretation that was the issue.

What misinterpretation was that?

[President Merkin]

And the 10% rump have always been with us. They're an indication of low engagement, light education, high blame cohorts, exploited by the same kind of chancers since forever. A notable occurence in these threads is supportive posters railing against the notion they may be being led by the nose & by extension, manipulable but there is lots of evidence they are precisely that.

Human nature dictates that no one likes to think they can be swayed by others but I can point you to a hundred advertising agencies who know better & what's the difference? One guy is selling you Coco Pops, someone else the idea that you can't get a Doctor's appointment because some Syrian guy fleeing Russian cluster bombs has nicked your place in the queue.

If you want an insight into how Reform, UKIP, BNP, all the rest of the 10% crowd whip up their base, then read this. It even contains a reference to the often seen in here refrain - They're all as bad as each other.

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/did-aust...

[chrispmartha]

crankedup5 said:

chrispmartha said:

crankedup5 said:

Yes, that will teach me to use The Guardian ‘facts’.

The Guardian facts were correct it was your misinterpretation that was the issue.

What misinterpretation was that?

Jeez it's like nailing jelly to a wall. Do you really need me to go back and quote what you said?

[Bill]

smn159 said:

bad company said:

Reform are predicted to get 12.5% of votes. That’s a lot uneducated, elderly thickies.

And?

As about 40% of the adult population is over 50 they're not even doing well in their prime demographic.

[S600BSB]

smn159 said:

bad company said:

Reform are predicted to get 12.5% of votes. That’s a lot uneducated, elderly thickies.

And?

Hopefully a lot of Cons will lose their seats and zero MPs from Reform!

[smn159]

President Merkin said:

And the 10% rump have always been with us. They're an indication of low engagement, light education, high blame cohorts, exploited by the same kind of chancers since forever. A notable occurence in these threads is supportive posters railing against the notion they may be being led by the nose & by extension, manipulable but there is lots of evidence they are precisely that.

Human nature dictates that no one likes to think they can be swayed by others but I can point you to a hundred advertising agencies who know better & what's the difference? One guy is selling you Coco Pops, someone else the idea that you can't get a Doctor's appointment because some Syrian guy fleeing Russian cluster bombs has nicked your place in the queue.

If you want an insight into how Reform, UKIP, BNP, all the rest of the 10% crowd whip up their base, then read this. It even contains a reference to the often seen in here refrain - They're all as bad as each other.

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/did-aust...

Always a surprise how easily some of those most affected can be convinced that austerity was a good thing and that the resulting decline in services and crumbling infrastructure is somehow the fault of a relatively small number of asylum seekers.

I guess that some just don't like foreigners and will happily wag their tails at anything which reinforces their prejudices.

[cheesejunkie]

smn159 said:

Always a surprise how easily some of those most affected can be convinced that austerity was a good thing and that the resulting decline in services and crumbling infrastructure is somehow the fault of a relatively small number of asylum seekers.

I guess that some just don't like foreigners and will happily wag their tails at anything which reinforces their prejudices.

Wag their fingers.

The mental image of a load of geriatrics wagging their tails is hurting my mind's eye .

Agreed, parties like reform prey on disaffection and don't offer workable solutions.