Reform UK - A symptom of all that is wrong?

[chrispmartha]

bad company said:

chrispmartha said:

They’re old enough to have lived through the carnage of the last 14 years though aren’t they.

I wouldn’t say it’s been 14 years of carnage. For me the damage started when BoJo became PM, he was and is a disaster but he did at least get Brexit done.

Not many will agree but I liked Liz Truss’s policies. She had the right idea but tried to do too much too quickly.

Cameron was the cause of Boris becoming PM.

Liz Truss is mental and the fact that she was ever Pm shows what a stshow it has been. Same for Boris Johnson.


To be fair the coalition government was probably the best weve had it in those 14 years

[Dave200]

bad company said:

Dave200 said:

Does it not worry you to be so badly out of sync with what the majority of the country are voting for? Does it not make you question your motivations when the majority of under-50s would be more likely to vote for Labour than ANY of the other parties?

What worries me is the inevitability of Labour getting into power. A lot of those Labour voters aren’t old enough to remember the carnage from their previous periods in office.

There are plenty of people in the 30-50 range who lived through the last Labour government as adults, and they are now more likely to vote Labour than all the other parties combined. What does that tell you?

[119]

Dave200 said:

bad company said:

Dave200 said:

Does it not worry you to be so badly out of sync with what the majority of the country are voting for? Does it not make you question your motivations when the majority of under-50s would be more likely to vote for Labour than ANY of the other parties?

What worries me is the inevitability of Labour getting into power. A lot of those Labour voters aren’t old enough to remember the carnage from their previous periods in office.

There are plenty of people in the 30-50 range who lived through the last Labour government as adults, and they are now more likely to vote Labour than all the other parties combined. What does that tell you?

They are still fking stupid?

[crankedup5]

chrispmartha said:

bad company said:

chrispmartha said:

They’re old enough to have lived through the carnage of the last 14 years though aren’t they.

I wouldn’t say it’s been 14 years of carnage. For me the damage started when BoJo became PM, he was and is a disaster but he did at least get Brexit done.

Not many will agree but I liked Liz Truss’s policies. She had the right idea but tried to do too much too quickly.

Cameron was the cause of Boris becoming PM.

Liz Truss is mental and the fact that she was ever Pm shows what a stshow it has been. Same for Boris Johnson.


To be fair the coalition government was probably the best weve had it in those 14 years

: the best weve had it. Strike 1.

[Wombat3]

119 said:

Dave200 said:

bad company said:

Dave200 said:

Does it not worry you to be so badly out of sync with what the majority of the country are voting for? Does it not make you question your motivations when the majority of under-50s would be more likely to vote for Labour than ANY of the other parties?

What worries me is the inevitability of Labour getting into power. A lot of those Labour voters aren’t old enough to remember the carnage from their previous periods in office.

There are plenty of people in the 30-50 range who lived through the last Labour government as adults, and they are now more likely to vote Labour than all the other parties combined. What does that tell you?

They are still fking stupid?

It is a bit incomprehensible that anyone truly believes that a Labour government is going to fix or address any of the underlying problems that cause the UK to be the way it now is.

The problems are systemic, they are about attitude , culture, community, lack of social and personal responsibility and lack of ethics. No politicians really have the answer to solving those issues

Some splash the cash / eat the rich sticking plasters are only going to make those things worse, not better. Labour is also just as divisive as any other party, moreso on some ways.

The real problems are not about what or who is in parliament though, its the rest of the population that needs to take a good look at itself.

[Dave200]

119 said:

Dave200 said:

bad company said:

Dave200 said:

Does it not worry you to be so badly out of sync with what the majority of the country are voting for? Does it not make you question your motivations when the majority of under-50s would be more likely to vote for Labour than ANY of the other parties?

What worries me is the inevitability of Labour getting into power. A lot of those Labour voters aren’t old enough to remember the carnage from their previous periods in office.

There are plenty of people in the 30-50 range who lived through the last Labour government as adults, and they are now more likely to vote Labour than all the other parties combined. What does that tell you?

They are still fking stupid?

Are you one of those "our system is broken, mate" folks? The reality is that we have a choice of two major parties, and three fringe/minority parties. Reform are no more equipped or likely to govern than the Green party. A vote for Reform, protest or otherwise, is simply a wasted vote.

[Dave200]

Wombat3 said:

119 said:

Dave200 said:

bad company said:

Dave200 said:

Does it not worry you to be so badly out of sync with what the majority of the country are voting for? Does it not make you question your motivations when the majority of under-50s would be more likely to vote for Labour than ANY of the other parties?

What worries me is the inevitability of Labour getting into power. A lot of those Labour voters aren’t old enough to remember the carnage from their previous periods in office.

There are plenty of people in the 30-50 range who lived through the last Labour government as adults, and they are now more likely to vote Labour than all the other parties combined. What does that tell you?

They are still fking stupid?

It is a bit incomprehensible that anyone truly believes that a Labour government is going to fix or address any of the underlying problems that cause the UK to be the way it now is.

The problems are systemic, they are about attitude , culture, community, lack of social and personal responsibility and lack of ethics. No politicians really have the answer to solving those issues

Some splash the cash / eat the rich sticking plasters are only going to make those things worse, not better. Labour is also just as divisive as any other party, moreso on some ways.

The real problems are not about what or who is in parliament though, its the rest of the population that needs to take a good look at itself.

The reality is that we have two choices. None of the three minority parties are fit to run a country. We have a choice between the party who've reduced themselves to a disorganised shambles over the past 14 years, or Labour. As someone who has voted Tory in the past I know which way I'll be voting this time around.

[crankedup5]

Wombat3 said:

119 said:

Dave200 said:

bad company said:

Dave200 said:

Does it not worry you to be so badly out of sync with what the majority of the country are voting for? Does it not make you question your motivations when the majority of under-50s would be more likely to vote for Labour than ANY of the other parties?

What worries me is the inevitability of Labour getting into power. A lot of those Labour voters aren’t old enough to remember the carnage from their previous periods in office.

There are plenty of people in the 30-50 range who lived through the last Labour government as adults, and they are now more likely to vote Labour than all the other parties combined. What does that tell you?

They are still fking stupid?

It is a bit incomprehensible that anyone truly believes that a Labour government is going to fix or address any of the underlying problems that cause the UK to be the way it now is.

The problems are systemic, they are about attitude , culture, community, lack of social and personal responsibility and lack of ethics. No politicians really have the answer to solving those issues

Some splash the cash / eat the rich sticking plasters are only going to make those things worse, not better. Labour is also just as divisive as any other party, moreso on some ways.

The real problems are not about what or who is in parliament though, its the rest of the population that needs to take a good look at itself.

Sums up the situation in U.K. perfectly, unfortunately. clip on BBC television news highlighted a young woman broadcasting her situation ‘ I suffer from anxiety therefore I cannot leave my house and go to work, I have to rely on benefits’.

[crankedup5]

Dave200 said:

Wombat3 said:

119 said:

Dave200 said:

bad company said:

Dave200 said:

Does it not worry you to be so badly out of sync with what the majority of the country are voting for? Does it not make you question your motivations when the majority of under-50s would be more likely to vote for Labour than ANY of the other parties?

What worries me is the inevitability of Labour getting into power. A lot of those Labour voters aren’t old enough to remember the carnage from their previous periods in office.

There are plenty of people in the 30-50 range who lived through the last Labour government as adults, and they are now more likely to vote Labour than all the other parties combined. What does that tell you?

They are still fking stupid?

It is a bit incomprehensible that anyone truly believes that a Labour government is going to fix or address any of the underlying problems that cause the UK to be the way it now is.

The problems are systemic, they are about attitude , culture, community, lack of social and personal responsibility and lack of ethics. No politicians really have the answer to solving those issues

Some splash the cash / eat the rich sticking plasters are only going to make those things worse, not better. Labour is also just as divisive as any other party, moreso on some ways.

The real problems are not about what or who is in parliament though, its the rest of the population that needs to take a good look at itself.

The reality is that we have two choices. None of the three minority parties are fit to run a country. We have a choice between the party who've reduced themselves to a disorganised shambles over the past 14 years, or Labour. As someone who has voted Tory in the past I know which way I'll be voting this time around.

Or a coalition Government.

[119]

Dave200 said:

Wombat3 said:

119 said:

Dave200 said:

bad company said:

Dave200 said:

Does it not worry you to be so badly out of sync with what the majority of the country are voting for? Does it not make you question your motivations when the majority of under-50s would be more likely to vote for Labour than ANY of the other parties?

What worries me is the inevitability of Labour getting into power. A lot of those Labour voters aren’t old enough to remember the carnage from their previous periods in office.

There are plenty of people in the 30-50 range who lived through the last Labour government as adults, and they are now more likely to vote Labour than all the other parties combined. What does that tell you?

They are still fking stupid?

It is a bit incomprehensible that anyone truly believes that a Labour government is going to fix or address any of the underlying problems that cause the UK to be the way it now is.

The problems are systemic, they are about attitude , culture, community, lack of social and personal responsibility and lack of ethics. No politicians really have the answer to solving those issues

Some splash the cash / eat the rich sticking plasters are only going to make those things worse, not better. Labour is also just as divisive as any other party, moreso on some ways.

The real problems are not about what or who is in parliament though, its the rest of the population that needs to take a good look at itself.

The reality is that we have two choices. None of the three minority parties are fit to run a country. We have a choice between the party who've reduced themselves to a disorganised shambles over the past 14 years, or Labour. As someone who has voted Tory in the past I know which way I'll be voting this time around.

Who is the best of the worst?

I have always gone between the two and the last time when Corbyn was in charge, voted Tory in the hope he didn't win, and this is how i feel now albeit the other way around.

However, I feel the Labour party have some 'toxic' members that I am struggling to accept as credible politicians.

Gawd help us.

[chrispmartha]

crankedup5 said:

Sums up the situation in U.K. perfectly, unfortunately. clip on BBC television news highlighted a young woman broadcasting her situation ‘ I suffer from anxiety therefore I cannot leave my house and go to work, I have to rely on benefits’.

If she is suffering from severe anxiety and sounds like it’s manifested itself as Agoraphobia what do you suggest she does?

Mental health issue can be just as debilitating as physical health issues. Maybe if the health service hadn’t been broken she might be able to get better treatment.

[Wombat3]

chrispmartha said:

crankedup5 said:

Sums up the situation in U.K. perfectly, unfortunately. clip on BBC television news highlighted a young woman broadcasting her situation ‘ I suffer from anxiety therefore I cannot leave my house and go to work, I have to rely on benefits’.

If she is suffering from severe anxiety and sounds like it’s manifested itself as Agoraphobia what do you suggest she does?

Mental health issue can be just as debilitating as physical health issues. Maybe if the health service hadn’t been broken she might be able to get better treatment.

Tired old trope. The NHS gets more money than its ever had and much more than we can really afford.

What do you suggest we do about that?

Nobody would deny that mental health issues are real and serious.

The fundamental problem is that they have also become the perfect excuse for everything which goes back to social and personal responsibility, ethics and (dis)honesty.

Edited by Wombat3 on Saturday 27th April 10:14

[Pan Pan Pan]

CraigyMc said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

Dave200 said:

Jordie Barretts sock said:

crankedup5 said:

A few posters you can coast from stats to stats offered from differing outlets, most will present entirely differing ‘facts and figures’.For example the students entering the U.K. mentioned earlier, no mention of family members accompany of students and wether that was included or not in the stats presented. We do know that family members are now restricted to overseas students.

Oh dear. This immigrant also knows how to spell 'whether'.

Another slip? I think not.

Never mind your argument your lack of basic English grammar is pointing to a limited education. Which explains quite a lot.

It's exactly what I was saying a few pages ago, Reform appeals to older, less well-educated folks.

What, You mean labour supporters?

Labour has plenty of young supporters.

So do other political parties. Your Point?

[chrispmartha]

Wombat3 said:

chrispmartha said:

crankedup5 said:

Sums up the situation in U.K. perfectly, unfortunately. clip on BBC television news highlighted a young woman broadcasting her situation ‘ I suffer from anxiety therefore I cannot leave my house and go to work, I have to rely on benefits’.

If she is suffering from severe anxiety and sounds like it’s manifested itself as Agoraphobia what do you suggest she does?

Mental health issue can be just as debilitating as physical health issues. Maybe if the health service hadn’t been broken she might be able to get better treatment.

Tired old trope. The NHS gets more money than its ever had and much more than we can really afford.

What do you suggest we do about that?

Has that money gone towards mental health services.? Hasn’t there been a big cut in those services in the last ten years?

[Pan Pan Pan]

Dave200 said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

Dave200 said:

Jordie Barretts sock said:

crankedup5 said:

A few posters you can coast from stats to stats offered from differing outlets, most will present entirely differing ‘facts and figures’.For example the students entering the U.K. mentioned earlier, no mention of family members accompany of students and wether that was included or not in the stats presented. We do know that family members are now restricted to overseas students.

Oh dear. This immigrant also knows how to spell 'whether'.

Another slip? I think not.

Never mind your argument your lack of basic English grammar is pointing to a limited education. Which explains quite a lot.

It's exactly what I was saying a few pages ago, Reform appeals to older, less well-educated folks.

What, You mean labour supporters?

The 1980s called and asked for you to send back their views on political party support. Labour is the party of the young and more highly educated these days. People with higher education and the under-50s are more likely to vote for Labour than all of the other parties combined. It's not even a class thing either, because Labour are the preferred party of all social classes from A to E.

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/48476-how-i...

Labour is the party of the loser, regardless of their age, Just like the tories.

[Pan Pan Pan]

smn159 said:

Dave200 said:

Tell it like it is. Immigration controls were the biggest reason for people voting Leave, and Reform know this hence their paper-thin policies to basically close our borders. https://ukandeu.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/C...

It's pretty much the same lot that promised undeliverable unicorns during the leave campaign are now promising the same for Reform.

What's that line about those who continually vote for the same old stuff expecting things to be magically different?

This includes voting for labour again, or didn't you realize that?

[Pan Pan Pan]

valiant said:

bad company said:

What worries me is the inevitability of Labour getting into power. A lot of those Labour voters aren’t old enough to remember the carnage from their previous periods in office.

Carnage?

As opposed to the last 13 years?

Then you must clearly be no more than 13 years of age.

[President Merkin]

Wombat3 said:

Tired old trope. The NHS gets more money than its ever had and much more than we can really afford.

What do you suggest we do about that?

Nobody would deny that mental health issues are real and serious.

The fundamental problem is that they have also become the perfect excuse for everything which goes back to social and personal responsibility, ethics and (dis)honesty.

Edited by Wombat3 on Saturday 27th April 10:14

There is an anxiety sufferer in my family. You have absolutely no what you're talking about. Except you do. You typify a right wing attitude that is misanthropic, condescending & amplified across the party & its supporters translates into what we see today, 20 points beihnd in the polls & heading for wipeout. It's what happens to dinosaurs.

The country is moving on & without you or your ilk & we'll be much the better for a sustained period of silence from your kind.

[Al Gorithum]

I had the misfortune of listening to 30p Lee Anderson on GB News last night for a few minutes.

What an Idiot...

[borcy]

Pan Pan Pan said:

CraigyMc said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

Dave200 said:

Jordie Barretts sock said:

crankedup5 said:

A few posters you can coast from stats to stats offered from differing outlets, most will present entirely differing ‘facts and figures’.For example the students entering the U.K. mentioned earlier, no mention of family members accompany of students and wether that was included or not in the stats presented. We do know that family members are now restricted to overseas students.

Oh dear. This immigrant also knows how to spell 'whether'.

Another slip? I think not.

Never mind your argument your lack of basic English grammar is pointing to a limited education. Which explains quite a lot.

It's exactly what I was saying a few pages ago, Reform appeals to older, less well-educated folks.

What, You mean labour supporters?

Labour has plenty of young supporters.

So do other political parties. Your Point?

Some parties have broader demographic support than others.