Reform UK - A symptom of all that is wrong?

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Douglas Quaid said:

Get off her arse and go to work? I’m sometimes anxious about work, running your own business can be stressful and anxiety is sadly something I’m familiar with, however I keep at it as I’m not a lazy bd that wants to just use a wk excuse like anxiety as the reason I can’t work. How do people that supposedly suffer from anxiety think they’re ever going to get over it if they don’t push themselves through it? Pathetic.

All anxiety sufferers are lazy bds regardless of how severe it is or how it impacts on one's life.

Got it.

Another mental health expert on PH. We are blessed to have so many...

[S600BSB]

valiant said:

Douglas Quaid said:

Get off her arse and go to work? I’m sometimes anxious about work, running your own business can be stressful and anxiety is sadly something I’m familiar with, however I keep at it as I’m not a lazy bd that wants to just use a wk excuse like anxiety as the reason I can’t work. How do people that supposedly suffer from anxiety think they’re ever going to get over it if they don’t push themselves through it? Pathetic.

All anxiety sufferers are lazy bds regardless of how severe it is or how it impacts on one's life.

Got it.

Another mental health expert on PH. We are blessed to have so many...

More likely some MH issues there..

[Jordie Barretts sock]

chrispmartha said:

Jordie Barretts sock said:

chrispmartha said:

Jordie Barretts sock said:

High interest rates weren't a solely UK thing. It was global.

It was still in that era that he said he loved

Yes, but my point was it wasn't Thatcher's fault. We had just as high interest rates in New Zealand.

I didn’t say it was her fault, what about the other issues raised?

I wasn't looking to justify anything other than the inference that high interest rates and high unemployment were Margaret Thatcher's fault. They weren't. There was both globally. That's all.

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Wombat3 said:

119 said:

Dave200 said:

bad company said:

Dave200 said:

Does it not worry you to be so badly out of sync with what the majority of the country are voting for? Does it not make you question your motivations when the majority of under-50s would be more likely to vote for Labour than ANY of the other parties?

What worries me is the inevitability of Labour getting into power. A lot of those Labour voters aren’t old enough to remember the carnage from their previous periods in office.

There are plenty of people in the 30-50 range who lived through the last Labour government as adults, and they are now more likely to vote Labour than all the other parties combined. What does that tell you?

They are still fking stupid?

It is a bit incomprehensible that anyone truly believes that a Labour government is going to fix or address any of the underlying problems that cause the UK to be the way it now is.

The problems are systemic, they are about attitude , culture, community, lack of social and personal responsibility and lack of ethics. No politicians really have the answer to solving those issues

Some splash the cash / eat the rich sticking plasters are only going to make those things worse, not better. Labour is also just as divisive as any other party, moreso on some ways.

The real problems are not about what or who is in parliament though, its the rest of the population that needs to take a good look at itself.

And do what, precisely, under a FPTP system where you only get to vote for your constituency MP?

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Wombat3 said:

Tired old trope. The NHS gets more money than its ever had and much more than we can really afford.

No it doesn't, not even close. The one thing that isn't broken with this country is the amount we spend on healthcare, it's not even close to being highest or too high.

crankedup5 said:

Sums up the situation in U.K. perfectly, unfortunately. clip on BBC television news highlighted a young woman broadcasting her situation ‘ I suffer from anxiety therefore I cannot leave my house and go to work, I have to rely on benefits’.

That's one person, in a population of @ 68 million.

I'll remind you that there are countless people on benefits yet work full time, due to business and business people refusing to stand on their own two feet and who also rely on benefits. It's hardly capitalism when it's subsidised by the taxpayer.



I'll also remind you that the Tory Party has spaffed millions and billions amongst the profound corruption which has thrived on it's watch.

[Wombat3]

President Merkin said:

Wombat3 said:

Tired old trope. The NHS gets more money than its ever had and much more than we can really afford.

What do you suggest we do about that?

Nobody would deny that mental health issues are real and serious.

The fundamental problem is that they have also become the perfect excuse for everything which goes back to social and personal responsibility, ethics and (dis)honesty.

Edited by Wombat3 on Saturday 27th April 10:14

There is an anxiety sufferer in my family. You have absolutely no what you're talking about. Except you do. You typify a right wing attitude that is misanthropic, condescending & amplified across the party & its supporters translates into what we see today, 20 points beihnd in the polls & heading for wipeout. It's what happens to dinosaurs.

The country is moving on & without you or your ilk & we'll be much the better for a sustained period of silence from your kind.

You can always be relied on for a bit of a sneering ad-hom.

Perhaps try reading and comprehending before you open your trap?

[Wombat3]

chrispmartha said:

Wombat3 said:

chrispmartha said:

crankedup5 said:

Sums up the situation in U.K. perfectly, unfortunately. clip on BBC television news highlighted a young woman broadcasting her situation ‘ I suffer from anxiety therefore I cannot leave my house and go to work, I have to rely on benefits’.

If she is suffering from severe anxiety and sounds like it’s manifested itself as Agoraphobia what do you suggest she does?

Mental health issue can be just as debilitating as physical health issues. Maybe if the health service hadn’t been broken she might be able to get better treatment.

Tired old trope. The NHS gets more money than its ever had and much more than we can really afford.

What do you suggest we do about that?

Has that money gone towards mental health services.? Hasn’t there been a big cut in those services in the last ten years?

Honestly I don't know how they divide the budget up. What is clear is as above so if you want to increase that budget where does it come from?

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Wombat3 said:

chrispmartha said:

Wombat3 said:

chrispmartha said:

crankedup5 said:

Sums up the situation in U.K. perfectly, unfortunately. clip on BBC television news highlighted a young woman broadcasting her situation ‘ I suffer from anxiety therefore I cannot leave my house and go to work, I have to rely on benefits’.

If she is suffering from severe anxiety and sounds like it’s manifested itself as Agoraphobia what do you suggest she does?

Mental health issue can be just as debilitating as physical health issues. Maybe if the health service hadn’t been broken she might be able to get better treatment.

Tired old trope. The NHS gets more money than its ever had and much more than we can really afford.

What do you suggest we do about that?

Has that money gone towards mental health services.? Hasn’t there been a big cut in those services in the last ten years?

Honestly I don't know how they divide the budget up. What is clear is as above so if you want to increase that budget where does it come from?

Mental health services played second fiddle to physical health in terms of resources for years - part of the reason we are in such a mess. The government has had an ambition of ‘parity of esteem’ for a number of years but, as with so much, has failed to deliver. It’s a mess.

[Colonel Cupcake]

chrispmartha said:

crankedup5 said:

Sums up the situation in U.K. perfectly, unfortunately. clip on BBC television news highlighted a young woman broadcasting her situation ‘ I suffer from anxiety therefore I cannot leave my house and go to work, I have to rely on benefits’.

If she is suffering from severe anxiety and sounds like it’s manifested itself as Agoraphobia what do you suggest she does?

Mental health issue can be just as debilitating as physical health issues. Maybe if the health service hadn’t been broken she might be able to get better treatment.

There are plenty of work from home jobs these days.

[Dave200]

bad company said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

How would you describe the performance of both the tories, and the labour party, since the last war?, Mine would be apocryphal.

Loved the Maggie Thatcher era. Will we ever get another leader like her?

Yeah, the miners' strikes and Black Monday were a right laugh.

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Colonel Cupcake said:

chrispmartha said:

crankedup5 said:

Sums up the situation in U.K. perfectly, unfortunately. clip on BBC television news highlighted a young woman broadcasting her situation ‘ I suffer from anxiety therefore I cannot leave my house and go to work, I have to rely on benefits’.

If she is suffering from severe anxiety and sounds like it’s manifested itself as Agoraphobia what do you suggest she does?

Mental health issue can be just as debilitating as physical health issues. Maybe if the health service hadn’t been broken she might be able to get better treatment.

There are plenty of work from home jobs these days.

That's not the answer. I mean, in terms the likes of mental health and dentistry, can't we get into the 21st century?

[chrispmartha]

Colonel Cupcake said:

chrispmartha said:

crankedup5 said:

Sums up the situation in U.K. perfectly, unfortunately. clip on BBC television news highlighted a young woman broadcasting her situation ‘ I suffer from anxiety therefore I cannot leave my house and go to work, I have to rely on benefits’.

If she is suffering from severe anxiety and sounds like it’s manifested itself as Agoraphobia what do you suggest she does?

Mental health issue can be just as debilitating as physical health issues. Maybe if the health service hadn’t been broken she might be able to get better treatment.

There are plenty of work from home jobs these days.

Yes there are, doesn’t mean the person in question is qualified to do them.

[Colonel Cupcake]

Dave200 said:

A vote for Reform, protest or otherwise, is simply a wasted vote.

I wonder if there were people saying the same thing in the 1920s about Labour?

[Colonel Cupcake]

chrispmartha said:

Colonel Cupcake said:

chrispmartha said:

crankedup5 said:

Sums up the situation in U.K. perfectly, unfortunately. clip on BBC television news highlighted a young woman broadcasting her situation ‘ I suffer from anxiety therefore I cannot leave my house and go to work, I have to rely on benefits’.

If she is suffering from severe anxiety and sounds like it’s manifested itself as Agoraphobia what do you suggest she does?

Mental health issue can be just as debilitating as physical health issues. Maybe if the health service hadn’t been broken she might be able to get better treatment.

There are plenty of work from home jobs these days.

Yes there are, doesn’t mean the person in question is qualified to do them.

The obvious thing would be to apply for the jobs she can / is qualified to do.

Unless what she really means is that she doesn't want to work.

[chrispmartha]

Colonel Cupcake said:

chrispmartha said:

Colonel Cupcake said:

chrispmartha said:

crankedup5 said:

Sums up the situation in U.K. perfectly, unfortunately. clip on BBC television news highlighted a young woman broadcasting her situation ‘ I suffer from anxiety therefore I cannot leave my house and go to work, I have to rely on benefits’.

If she is suffering from severe anxiety and sounds like it’s manifested itself as Agoraphobia what do you suggest she does?

Mental health issue can be just as debilitating as physical health issues. Maybe if the health service hadn’t been broken she might be able to get better treatment.

There are plenty of work from home jobs these days.

Yes there are, doesn’t mean the person in question is qualified to do them.

The obvious thing would be to apply for the jobs she can / is qualified to do.

Unless what she really means is that she doesn't want to work.

We know nothing about her bar what Cranked posted (so it’s highly likely to be incorrect)

How di you know she hasn’t applied for some jobs?

It just seems some people don’t see mental health as a real issue and people must be faking it.

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Jordie Barretts sock said:

However, it was the Conservative Party members that voted for her over Sunak. That would suggest that the party wanted a right wing PM. She was ousted by the parliamentary Conservatives and we got unelected Sunak as party leader and PM. That might explain why so many Tory faithful are defecting to Reform.

The current polls actually point to much of Reform's support coming from the Tory Red Wall vote, which is not the traditional Tory faithful. Red Wall Tories were largely traditionally Labour voters who 'lent' their vote for Boris Johnson in 2019 to 'get Brexit done'.

These people aren't traditional Tories, either economically or socially.

In the Red Wall seats, I can see the Tory votes reverting back to their 1970-2015 mean.

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Colonel Cupcake said:

Dave200 said:

A vote for Reform, protest or otherwise, is simply a wasted vote.

I wonder if there were people saying the same thing in the 1920s about Labour?

Labour weren't a bunch of racists in the 1920's... That would have been Mosley's lot if we're talking about the 1920s... Well, they didn't amount to anything either.

Lets stop pretending that Reform is anything other than Farage's latest grift shall we.

Farage always reminds me of Pauline Hanson (famous Australian Racist who once ran for parliament) without Hanson's one redeeming quality. Knowing when she was beaten and to fk off. Farage has tried 7 times for a seat in parliament and failed each and every time... What makes you think this time it'll be different.

[wisbech]

Colonel Cupcake said:

I wonder if there were people saying the same thing in the 1920s about Labour?

No, because in the 1920s Labour was already the second largest party (142 seats at the 1922 election, up from 57 from 1918) So they were already not a fringe party.

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Colonel Cupcake said:

The obvious thing would be to apply for the jobs she can / is qualified to do.

Unless what she really means is that she doesn't want to work.

And what if what she can/is qualified to do can’t be done from home? Not so obvious then is it?

You have no idea on how anxiety affects her life. Anxiety can range from mildly irritating to absolutely dehabilitating. Just because you can shake it off doesn’t mean others can and what there are many triggers that, to a non-sufferer, can seem completely trivial.

I wish those commentating on mental health issues would do just the briefest of research before spouting crap.

[Colonel Cupcake]

wisbech said:

Colonel Cupcake said:

I wonder if there were people saying the same thing in the 1920s about Labour?

No, because in the 1920s Labour was already the second largest party (142 seats at the 1922 election, up from 57 from 1918) So they were already not a fringe party.

They will have been a fringe party at some point, trying to challenge the dominance of the Conservatives and Liberals.

If it makes you feel better, I wonder if there were people saying the same thing in the 1910s about Labour?