Reform UK - A symptom of all that is wrong?

[Colonel Cupcake]

cheesejunkie said:

borcy said:

I think it's because many are keen for an election so a case of 'let's get on with it'
For some it's a chance to rip them apart.
For some it's give me a reason to vote for you.

Probably one of the more honest answers on here.

I am looking forward to their ahole being ripped open.

I don’t hate tories or Tory voters but their time has come for a whuppin, lol. The fear stories about labour don’t scare me.

I’m old enough to remember the Blair years. They aren’t big scary monsters. I remember the thatcher years and know who the big scary bds are. They haven’t suddenly become any better but the worship for a failed ideology that won’t work today is problematic.

Pity you are not old enough to remember the Callaghan years. I agree that the Blair years were OK, especially the first term but even he crashed and burned.

Mrs Thatcher made some long reaching mistakes but she also did some good too but yeah, she too crashed and burned after being in power too long.

Perhaps another hung parliament would be the best thing?

[heebeegeetee]

smn159 said:

Labour win predicted

https://www.thisvotecounts.co.uk/constituency/sutt...

Cheers. I'll be amazed if that happens, but we'll see.
Might be the first meaningful vote I've ever had at a GE, and I'm 66.

[Pan Pan Pan]

cheesejunkie said:

borcy said:

I think it's because many are keen for an election so a case of 'let's get on with it'
For some it's a chance to rip them apart.
For some it's give me a reason to vote for you.

Probably one of the more honest answers on here.

I am looking forward to their ahole being ripped open.

I don’t hate tories or Tory voters but their time has come for a whuppin, lol. The fear stories about labour don’t scare me.

I’m old enough to remember the Blair years. They aren’t big scary monsters. I remember the thatcher years and know who the big scary bds are. They haven’t suddenly become any better but the worship for a failed ideology that won’t work today is problematic.

And that is your opinion. It might surprise you to know, that other people have other opinions, which don't necessarily align with yours.
It is the arrogant assumption, that your opinion is correct. which is the irritating trait, since you have no way of proving that.

[crankedup5]

bhstewie said:

Wombat3 said:

Bag of ste yourself mate.

You know nothing about me and mine.

To be fair you do ooze "considerably richer than you" vibes.

Comes across as you've done OK so everyone else should be able to do so too and if they haven't it's because they didn't try hard enough.

I can recall the mantra in here was indeed ‘you want good things then worker harder ‘, did those posters leave the room or changed their minds

[borcy]

smn159 said:

heebeegeetee said:

It'll be interesting, I live in a Tory safe seat that has voted the same for decades. The seat of Sutton Coldfield will be as good a litmus test as any.

Labour win predicted

https://www.thisvotecounts.co.uk/constituency/sutt...

I wonder how accurate that polling is.

In my constituency Con to win by 5 points. But we've never had a labour MP so to be expected.

[tangerine_sedge]

Pan Pan Pan said:

cheesejunkie said:

borcy said:

I think it's because many are keen for an election so a case of 'let's get on with it'
For some it's a chance to rip them apart.
For some it's give me a reason to vote for you.

Probably one of the more honest answers on here.

I am looking forward to their ahole being ripped open.

I don’t hate tories or Tory voters but their time has come for a whuppin, lol. The fear stories about labour don’t scare me.

I’m old enough to remember the Blair years. They aren’t big scary monsters. I remember the thatcher years and know who the big scary bds are. They haven’t suddenly become any better but the worship for a failed ideology that won’t work today is problematic.

And that is your opinion. It might surprise you to know, that other people have other opinions, which don't necessarily align with yours.
It is the arrogant assumption, that your opinion is correct. which is the irritating trait, since you have no way of proving that.

And yet you, cranky and a bunch of others arrogantly post absolute bilge in support of Reform. My irony meter has yet again become overloaded on this thread.

[bad company]

tangerine_sedge said:

And yet you, cranky and a bunch of others arrogantly post absolute bilge in support of Reform. My irony meter has yet again become overloaded on this thread.

‘Bilge’ because you disagree? That’s arrogance, right there.

[Wombat3]

President Merkin said:

bhstewie said:

To be fair you do ooze "considerably richer than you" vibes.

Comes across as you've done OK so everyone else should be able to do so too and if they haven't it's because they didn't try hard enough.

Can't say I've noticed that much. More a grim world view spouted daily round here by the usual gammonny crowd, specifically it's everyone else's fault. What got in my tits yesterday was him punting mental health problems, which we know from extensive research has been heavily compunded by Covid and worsened by NHS pressures boils down to malingering wasters.

Of course, the right wing on here don't go in for nuance when there's the Mail & the Express handily repeating Tory spin in a front page headline.for them.

As you would expect, I really could not care less what gets on your tits. Meanwhile, you appear not to have actually read or understood what I said (or maybe you just choose to try & twist it in order to make yet more sneery Ad-hom remarks?).

Like most people I do not live in a bubble, Like everyone else I have things to deal with that I'd rather did not happen.

I'm also related to and interact with a reasonably wide cross-section of people in different walks of life and also with different problems to deal with every day of the week. In terms of the way they think about things, If I don't agree with them I don't berate them for their views either, I'd think that a very arrogant thing to do.

You may not agree with my world view which is formed from what I've seen and what I've experienced. Disagreeing with it, is your perogative but then your experiences may be different.

Mine is summarised by saying there are going to be some extremely fking disappointed people over the next 10 years (minimum). Some of us will not be surprised at where things go, but I very much doubt anybody is going to be jumping for joy.

(And no, I don't read either the Mail or the Express either)

TLDR. Ad-homming people on the internet because you don't like their views is the behaviour of tts (IMHO of course)

[bitchstewie]

crankedup5 said:

I can recall the mantra in here was indeed ‘you want good things then worker harder ‘, did those posters leave the room or changed their minds

Fine line between that, which is ultimately the truth, and a lack of empathy or understanding for why other people may not have managed to be quite as successful in doing so.

A bit like you with your "get a job working from home" comment where I'm sure you mean well but perhaps it's not that simple for everyone

[biggbn]

Wombat3 said:

chrispmartha said:

crankedup5 said:

Sums up the situation in U.K. perfectly, unfortunately. clip on BBC television news highlighted a young woman broadcasting her situation ‘ I suffer from anxiety therefore I cannot leave my house and go to work, I have to rely on benefits’.

If she is suffering from severe anxiety and sounds like it’s manifested itself as Agoraphobia what do you suggest she does?

Mental health issue can be just as debilitating as physical health issues. Maybe if the health service hadn’t been broken she might be able to get better treatment.

Tired old trope. The NHS gets more money than its ever had and much more than we can really afford.

What do you suggest we do about that?

Nobody would deny that mental health issues are real and serious.

The fundamental problem is that they have also become the perfect excuse for everything which goes back to social and personal responsibility, ethics and (dis)honesty.

Edited by Wombat3 on Saturday 27th April 10:14

...and they have also become one of the main sticks used to beat those who cannot work with. You mentioned a broken society earler I'm sure? I agree. I can't remember a less compassionate, less empathetic more vocal and sadly more influential section of society than we now see and hear from on a regular basis. You talk of divisiveness. Agreed 100%. Many have an inability or unwillingness to consider anything outside their own lived experience to be a possibility. I urge everyone to consider consideration as a tool to pry open their minds. Like a recalcitrant oyster shell, you might find a pearl or two inside, and you might even enjoy the beauty it provides.

[biggbn]

President Merkin said:

Wombat3 said:

Tired old trope. The NHS gets more money than its ever had and much more than we can really afford.

What do you suggest we do about that?

Nobody would deny that mental health issues are real and serious.

The fundamental problem is that they have also become the perfect excuse for everything which goes back to social and personal responsibility, ethics and (dis)honesty.

Edited by Wombat3 on Saturday 27th April 10:14

There is an anxiety sufferer in my family. You have absolutely no what you're talking about. Except you do. You typify a right wing attitude that is misanthropic, condescending & amplified across the party & its supporters translates into what we see today, 20 points beihnd in the polls & heading for wipeout. It's what happens to dinosaurs.

The country is moving on & without you or your ilk & we'll be much the better for a sustained period of silence from your kind.

[biggbn]

Douglas Quaid said:

Get off her arse and go to work? I’m sometimes anxious about work, running your own business can be stressful and anxiety is sadly something I’m familiar with, however I keep at it as I’m not a lazy bd that wants to just use a wk excuse like anxiety as the reason I can’t work. How do people that supposedly suffer from anxiety think they’re ever going to get over it if they don’t push themselves through it? Pathetic.

Because your anxiety must be exactly the same as others suffer? See my earlier post, QED, thank you.

[President Merkin]

Wombat3 said:

As you would expect, I really could not care less what gets on your tits.

Yeah, nothing says I don't care about your opinion than a 500 word essay.

And remember, all of this ste kicked off because you sneered at MH issues. No one forces you to scribble your toxic opinions day & night, so if you can't handle them being challenged, then find something else to do because your constant biting isn't a great look.

[Wombat3]

President Merkin said:

Wombat3 said:

As you would expect, I really could not care less what gets on your tits.

Yeah, nothing says I don't care about your opinion than a 500 word essay.

And remember, all of this ste kicked off because you sneered at MH issues. No one forces you to scribble your toxic opinions day & night, so if you can't handle them being challenged, then find something else to do because your constant biting isn't a great look.

QED, I did not "sneer " at MH issues.

What I said is that they are real and serious for some people and that we need to identify and look after those people.

What I also said is that there are also people that are hiding behind and using them them because its too easy to do so. In doing so they are taking resources from people that need them. In the extreme case that makes them s IMO

The problem is obviously that these issues are far less black & white than, for example, Cancer.

What I am not saying is that all, or even a majority of people claiming mental health issues are on the make; but If you want to tell me that every single person claiming MH issues and every single person claiming disability benefits is legit then I have a beach house in Wolverhampton you'd probably be interested in.

[wisbech]

Wills2 said:

I believe that political parties reflect society, it's high time the people of the UK reflected on themselves and looked around at what they are creating because the current conversative gov is a manifestation of that, so are the Reform party, the SNP and of course the lunatics in charge of the asylum in Wales.

There have always been a few fringe idiots walking the corridors of power, but we now have a situation where every governing cabinet in the land is rammed full of them. They are in power and merrily making a pigs breakfast of it and it's our fault that they are there as we decide, but we've got to the point where too many people think it's always someone else's fault zero personal responsibility and they love that.

Keep everyone arguing with each each...divide and rule as they say, there is no longer any room for a decent centrist government to come in and govern for all the people, as the people won't allow it.

Be the change you want to see. When I was in Australia, I volunteered at old peoples home, was active in my union on safety issues, and campaigned for cleaner air.

Don’t whinge, go and try and make things better if things are getting on your tits. It will make you feel better, and may make a difference.

[biggbn]

wisbech said:

Be the change you want to see. When I was in Australia, I volunteered at old peoples home, was active in my union on safety issues, and campaigned for cleaner air.

Don’t whinge, go and try and make things better if things are getting on your tits. It will make you feel better, and may make a difference.

Good post

[bad company]

bhstewie said:

crankedup5 said:

I can recall the mantra in here was indeed ‘you want good things then worker harder ‘, did those posters leave the room or changed their minds

Fine line between that, which is ultimately the truth, and a lack of empathy or understanding for why other people may not have managed to be quite as successful in doing so.

A bit like you with your "get a job working from home" comment where I'm sure you mean well but perhaps it's not that simple for everyone

Very true, good post.

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Some of the problem is probably down to those expecting someone else to sort it.

[crankedup5]

bhstewie said:

crankedup5 said:

I can recall the mantra in here was indeed ‘you want good things then worker harder ‘, did those posters leave the room or changed their minds

Fine line between that, which is ultimately the truth, and a lack of empathy or understanding for why other people may not have managed to be quite as successful in doing so.

A bit like you with your "get a job working from home" comment where I'm sure you mean well but perhaps it's not that simple for everyone

It’s a bona fide option which must be explored ‘work from home’. Or let the person sit at home all day every day. For me it would be cruel to simply write off these people and the possible talents they may have locked up and needs a key. Of course it’s a case by case assessment and not everybody can be helped, that is an obvious statement that you make.

[Pan Pan Pan]

tangerine_sedge said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

cheesejunkie said:

borcy said:

I think it's because many are keen for an election so a case of 'let's get on with it'
For some it's a chance to rip them apart.
For some it's give me a reason to vote for you.

Probably one of the more honest answers on here.

I am looking forward to their ahole being ripped open.

I don’t hate tories or Tory voters but their time has come for a whuppin, lol. The fear stories about labour don’t scare me.

I’m old enough to remember the Blair years. They aren’t big scary monsters. I remember the thatcher years and know who the big scary bds are. They haven’t suddenly become any better but the worship for a failed ideology that won’t work today is problematic.

And that is your opinion. It might surprise you to know, that other people have other opinions, which don't necessarily align with yours.
It is the arrogant assumption, that your opinion is correct. which is the irritating trait, since you have no way of proving that.

And yet you, cranky and a bunch of others arrogantly post absolute bilge in support of Reform. My irony meter has yet again become overloaded on this thread.

Where have I said that I support, or will vote for reform/ I will save you the job of looking, because I have not. It is just you making things up again.
Do you not find that your blind mindless tribal support of labour, or the tories, overloads your irony meter? If it does not it categorically should do.