Reform UK - A symptom of all that is wrong?

[Pan Pan Pan]

bad company said:

tangerine_sedge said:

And yet you, cranky and a bunch of others arrogantly post absolute bilge in support of Reform. My irony meter has yet again become overloaded on this thread.

‘Bilge’ because you disagree? That’s arrogance, right there.

No use pointing this out to them. They are so blind and arrogant, they actually believe that only their `opinion; is correct and that anything that does not agree with it is automatically wrong.
As you state that is arrogance right there.

[heebeegeetee]

"All I want is my country back."

Sorry, but these words keep popping back into my mind every now and then.

[crankedup5]

heebeegeetee said:

"All I want is my country back."

Sorry, but these words keep popping back into my mind every now and then.

Happy smiling kids, a family posing outside of their home and an unrelated historic early example of public transport

[heebeegeetee]

Very good

[bad company]

heebeegeetee said:

"All I want is my country back."

Sorry, but these words keep popping back into my mind every now and then.

This comes back into my mind. We need someone of her stature again imo.

[President Merkin]

Right. Tice & Farridge, Pretty sure Farridge, in stark contrast to Thatch lost seven elections, one to a dolphin but sure, someone of her stature, so vote Reform!

[Dave200]

President Merkin said:

Right. Tice & Farridge, Pretty sure Farridge, in stark contrast to Thatch lost seven elections, one to a dolphin but sure, someone of her stature, so vote Reform!

I couldn't think of two people less qualified and capable of leading a country than those charlatans.

[President Merkin]

I'll stick my neck out & take a guess a few of the old boys pining for the glory days of the 80's in here weren't living anywhere near South Yorkshire back then, bought their council houses for peanuts & whacked the leftovers into British Gas, BT & Cable & Wireless. It doesn't half show.

[tangerine_sedge]

Pan Pan Pan said:

tangerine_sedge said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

cheesejunkie said:

borcy said:

I think it's because many are keen for an election so a case of 'let's get on with it'
For some it's a chance to rip them apart.
For some it's give me a reason to vote for you.

Probably one of the more honest answers on here.

I am looking forward to their ahole being ripped open.

I don’t hate tories or Tory voters but their time has come for a whuppin, lol. The fear stories about labour don’t scare me.

I’m old enough to remember the Blair years. They aren’t big scary monsters. I remember the thatcher years and know who the big scary bds are. They haven’t suddenly become any better but the worship for a failed ideology that won’t work today is problematic.

And that is your opinion. It might surprise you to know, that other people have other opinions, which don't necessarily align with yours.
It is the arrogant assumption, that your opinion is correct. which is the irritating trait, since you have no way of proving that.

And yet you, cranky and a bunch of others arrogantly post absolute bilge in support of Reform. My irony meter has yet again become overloaded on this thread.

Where have I said that I support, or will vote for reform/ I will save you the job of looking, because I have not. It is just you making things up again.
Do you not find that your blind mindless tribal support of labour, or the tories, overloads your irony meter? If it does not it categorically should do.

Have you worked out all the good things that government achieved for the working man since WW2 yet? Several people tried to help you, but you arrogantly seemed to have dismissed actual facts... Anyway, onto your current silliness...

You're here on the reform thread with your "they're all as bad as each other" nonsense, so you'll excuse me if I read between the lines and see your tacit support for reform Ltd.

You seem to have very strong opinions on who we shouldn't vote for (oddly, mostly labour and this current Tory party), but no indication of which brainiacs we should be voting for. Come on then, who should I be voting for at the next election?

[Jazzy Jag]

Dave200 said:

President Merkin said:

Right. Tice & Farridge, Pretty sure Farridge, in stark contrast to Thatch lost seven elections, one to a dolphin but sure, someone of her stature, so vote Reform!

I couldn't think of two people less qualified and capable of leading a country than those charlatans.

Obviously not thinking very hard.

Are you familiar with Mssrs Sunak and Starmer?

[2xChevrons]

heebeegeetee said:

"All I want is my country back."

Sorry, but these words keep popping back into my mind every now and then.

Other Reform policies to include:

- fish and chips to be wrapped in newspaper
- galvanised cylindrical dustbins to replace wheelie bins
- chemists to stock Lucozade
- condoms only available in barbershops
- cinemas to play the national anthem at the end of the film
- bring back the old Corrie intro with the cat
- The Sun to reinstate page 3, using AI-generated images of prime-era Sam Fox.
- make Walkers put the crisp packet colours back the 'right way round' (I know they never were, but Reform is about making reality match your distorted childhood remembrances/misplaced nostalgia)
- premium petrol to be rebranded five-star

I genuinely wonder how many potential Reform voters could be (to use a simplified phrase) 'bought off' by things like the above that are materially pointless but are part of the patchwork of warm fuzzy cultural belonging and identity. Like how many Brexit voters would have foregone all the hassle of actually leaving if we'd just had the blue passports and the crown on pint glasses.

[bad company]

2xChevrons said:

Other Reform policies to include:

- fish and chips to be wrapped in newspaper
- galvanised cylindrical dustbins to replace wheelie bins
- chemists to stock Lucozade
- condoms only available in barbershops
- cinemas to play the national anthem at the end of the film
- bring back the old Corrie intro with the cat
- The Sun to reinstate page 3, using AI-generated images of prime-era Sam Fox.
- make Walkers put the crisp packet colours back the 'right way round' (I know they never were, but Reform is about making reality match your distorted childhood remembrances/misplaced nostalgia)
- premium petrol to be rebranded five-star

I genuinely wonder how many potential Reform voters could be (to use a simplified phrase) 'bought off' by things like the above that are materially pointless but are part of the patchwork of warm fuzzy cultural belonging and identity. Like how many Brexit voters would have foregone all the hassle of actually leaving if we'd just had the blue passports and the crown on pint glasses.

What a sad & delusional world you seem to live in.

Like many other ‘Remoaners’ you can’t get your head around the majority voting for Brexit and many of those intending to vote Reform.

[Dave200]

Jazzy Jag said:

Dave200 said:

President Merkin said:

Right. Tice & Farridge, Pretty sure Farridge, in stark contrast to Thatch lost seven elections, one to a dolphin but sure, someone of her stature, so vote Reform!

I couldn't think of two people less qualified and capable of leading a country than those charlatans.

Obviously not thinking very hard.

Are you familiar with Mssrs Sunak and Starmer?

Gosh, you're right. How could I vote for someone who's led the opposition party for 4 years, who's been an MP for 9 years and was the Director of Public Prosecutions.

When instead I could look to Richard Tice who bunged the Tories loads of money to greenlight planning proposals, who has failed spectacularly to get elected as an MP twice, and who worked for his family's property development business. A compelling argument indeed, and surely the right person to lead the country.

Edited by Dave200 on Tuesday 30th April 07:36

[Dave200]

bad company said:

2xChevrons said:

Other Reform policies to include:

- fish and chips to be wrapped in newspaper
- galvanised cylindrical dustbins to replace wheelie bins
- chemists to stock Lucozade
- condoms only available in barbershops
- cinemas to play the national anthem at the end of the film
- bring back the old Corrie intro with the cat
- The Sun to reinstate page 3, using AI-generated images of prime-era Sam Fox.
- make Walkers put the crisp packet colours back the 'right way round' (I know they never were, but Reform is about making reality match your distorted childhood remembrances/misplaced nostalgia)
- premium petrol to be rebranded five-star

I genuinely wonder how many potential Reform voters could be (to use a simplified phrase) 'bought off' by things like the above that are materially pointless but are part of the patchwork of warm fuzzy cultural belonging and identity. Like how many Brexit voters would have foregone all the hassle of actually leaving if we'd just had the blue passports and the crown on pint glasses.

What a sad & delusional world you seem to live in.

Like many other ‘Remoaners’ you can’t get your head around the majority voting for Brexit and many of those intending to vote Reform.

So the majority were right when it came to Brexit, because you were part of that majority? But the majority are now wrong to be voting Labour because you're not part of that majority? Got it.

[bad company]

Dave200 said:

So the majority were right when it came to Brexit, because you were part of that majority? But the majority are now wrong to be voting Labour because you're not part of that majority? Got it.

We live in a democracy. I voted leave as did the majority, I have no regrets and would vote the same way again.

When/if Labour wins the forthcoming GE I’ll accept the majority decision.

[Dave200]

bad company said:

Dave200 said:

So the majority were right when it came to Brexit, because you were part of that majority? But the majority are now wrong to be voting Labour because you're not part of that majority? Got it.

We live in a democracy. I voted leave as did the majority, I have no regrets and would vote the same way again.

When/if Labour wins the forthcoming GE I’ll accept the majority decision.

So then why is it so difficult for you to accept that Reform are nothing more than a minority party, with a similar level of support to the Greens, who appeal mostly to the disenfranchised over-60s and the less well educated? While Labour are the preferred party across every single major demographic. Surely that's how democracy works, right?

[bad company]

Dave200 said:

So then why is it so difficult for you to accept that Reform are nothing more than a minority party, with a similar level of support to the Greens, who appeal mostly to the disenfranchised over-60s and the less well educated? While Labour are the preferred party across every single major demographic. Surely that's how democracy works, right?

Of course Reform are a minority party, I haven’t suggested otherwise. Your suggestion that their supporters are less educated displays breathtaking arrogance.

[Dave200]

bad company said:

Dave200 said:

So then why is it so difficult for you to accept that Reform are nothing more than a minority party, with a similar level of support to the Greens, who appeal mostly to the disenfranchised over-60s and the less well educated? While Labour are the preferred party across every single major demographic. Surely that's how democracy works, right?

Of course Reform are a minority party, I haven’t suggested otherwise. Your suggestion that their supporters are less educated displays breathtaking arrogance.

Go back and look at the data I posted from a representative survey of 14,000 voters. The two places that Reform over index are among the over-60s and those without higher level education. That's not a suggestion, it's actual data.

[2xChevrons]

bad company said:

What a sad & delusional world you seem to live in.

Like many other ‘Remoaners’ you can’t get your head around the majority voting for Brexit and many of those intending to vote Reform.

Lol - I got called a Remoaner! Me! The one who has repeatedly said that the biggest mistake Labour (the party I was a member of and canvassed for at the time) made at the last election was to abandon its unequivocal support for Brexit and implementation of the referendum.

There is a huge difference between voting for Brexit in 2016 and voting for Reform in 2024. I absolutely have my head around why people voted to Leave in 2016 - lashing out against a remote and uncaring political establishment, anger at the lack of apparent democratic process and years of broken promises and cheap words, distaste for changes that had been made to their world, lives and community without their consent, fear at a future where economic security had vanished post-2008, hope for change by shaking things up and restoring political accountability. Pride in their national ideal and the one-time chance to demonstrate agency. And more.

But imo you need to have a very particular set of mental blinkers on to vote for Reform - a not-really-a-party whose platform doesn't even make sense on its own terms and is peopled by those only proven to be charlatans, demagogues and grifters.

Edited by 2xChevrons on Tuesday 30th April 08:18

[bad company]

Dave200 said:

Go back and look at the data I posted from a representative survey of 14,000 voters. The two places that Reform over index are among the over-60s and those without higher level education. That's not a suggestion, it's actual data.

Data from where exactly? Statistics can be made to show anything, we all know that. Who did they ask? Where and when they conduct the survey?

Don’t get me wrong, Labour will win the GE and the Conservatives only have themselves to blame. Just don’t fool yourself by writing off Reform voters as idiots.